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Date: 24 Apr 2007 21:20:05
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Interesting/Worthless Statistic
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What is the best round (vs. par) that you have ever shot with no birdies (or
better)? For me it is a 3 over 70 on a pretty short course with very tough
greens. 11 GIR's with no putts - let me rephrase that - lots of putts :-)
dave
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Date: 26 Apr 2007 05:24:01
From: me
Subject: Re: Interesting/Worthless Statistic
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On Apr 24, 5:20 pm, "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote:
> What is the best round (vs. par) that you have ever shot with no birdies (or
> better)? For me it is a 3 over 70 on a pretty short course with very tough
> greens. 11 GIR's with no putts - let me rephrase that - lots of putts :-)
>
> dave
There is a lesson in here that goes often to the point that many
pro's
make during those post round interviews on the green. You'll hear
some guy who just missed winning by 2 strokes say something like
"I had a good round. I hit alot of good shots. I just didn't make
alot of putts". Mean while, we all remember the half dozen shots the
guy screwed up.
A "good round" where you didn't get any birdies means you probably
"missed" alot of shots in the sense that there were birdies to be had
that you missed. Yeah, par is good, but you "missed" as many
putts or shots as you might when there are a few bogies on the
card. Furthermore, you "made" a few birdies that might have
been as much luck as skill on other rounds that did contain a few
birdies.
In the end the difference between a "good" round and a
"bad" one is about 5 or 6 strokes to alot of folks. That's like 6%
or so. That's basically a couple of lip outs, one or two
slightly pulled approach shots, a less that optimal bunker shot or
two, and a bad drive.
A round that didn't score any birdies and still close to your
personal
best probably means it was a GREAT round. It was darn close to a
fantastic round except you missed a couple of putts, pulled a
couple of approach shots......
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Date: 26 Apr 2007 11:15:31
From: Carbon
Subject: Re: Interesting/Worthless Statistic
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:20:05 +0000, Dave Lee wrote:
> What is the best round (vs. par) that you have ever shot with no birdies
> (or better)? For me it is a 3 over 70 on a pretty short course with very
> tough greens. 11 GIR's with no putts - let me rephrase that - lots of
> putts :-)
I don't remember exactly, probably 75. I'm sometimes a good ball-striker
and always a bad putter.
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Date: 25 Apr 2007 16:23:05
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: Interesting/Worthless Statistic
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"Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote ...
> What is the best round (vs. par) that you have ever shot with no birdies
> (or
> better)? For me it is a 3 over 70 on a pretty short course with very tough
> greens. 11 GIR's with no putts - let me rephrase that - lots of putts :-)
I can't really answer that question, because I believe, although I can't be
100% certain, all my lowest rounds included at least one birdie in there
somewhere. So I just can't point to a low score and say with any degree of
certainty that I shot it without making a birdie somewhere along the way.
But I can tell you without a hint of hesitation that my most disappointing
round of all time came, ironically, during the same round when I made my
career high number of birdies in a single round.
Six birdies in one round, and none of the birdie putts that I holed were
longer than about 10 feet. My score that day? An EXTREMELY disappointing
84 (par 71 course).
That meant I was 6-under on six holes, and 19-over on the other 12 holes.
Yippeee!! OUCH!!!!
Suffice it to say it was feast or famine that day. The putter was hot most
of the day (yes, without a hot putter, it might have been even worse). The
irons were laser-like in their precision....or they were spraying the ball
over hill and dale all across the countryside. Not much in between.
A truly lost opportunity, if ever I've experienced one.
Randy
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Date: 25 Apr 2007 22:11:10
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: Interesting/Worthless Statistic
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""R&B"" <noneofyourbusiness@all.com > wrote in message
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> "Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote ...
> > What is the best round (vs. par) that you have ever shot with no birdies
> > (or
> > better)? For me it is a 3 over 70 on a pretty short course with very
tough
> > greens. 11 GIR's with no putts - let me rephrase that - lots of putts
:-)
>
>
> I can't really answer that question, because I believe, although I can't
be
> 100% certain, all my lowest rounds included at least one birdie in there
> somewhere. So I just can't point to a low score and say with any degree
of
> certainty that I shot it without making a birdie somewhere along the way.
>
> But I can tell you without a hint of hesitation that my most disappointing
> round of all time came, ironically, during the same round when I made my
> career high number of birdies in a single round.
>
> Six birdies in one round, and none of the birdie putts that I holed were
> longer than about 10 feet. My score that day? An EXTREMELY disappointing
> 84 (par 71 course).
>
> That meant I was 6-under on six holes, and 19-over on the other 12 holes.
> Yippeee!! OUCH!!!!
>
> Suffice it to say it was feast or famine that day. The putter was hot
most
> of the day (yes, without a hot putter, it might have been even worse).
The
> irons were laser-like in their precision....or they were spraying the ball
> over hill and dale all across the countryside. Not much in between.
>
> A truly lost opportunity, if ever I've experienced one.
>
> Randy
>
It is interesting how these things run in pairs. Some time back I had the
best ballstriking round (as I measure it) ever on Pinehurst No. 2. I also
had the worst putting that I had ever had up to that point, and I normalize
my putting against the length of every first putt so variations due to
having a lot of long putts are removed.
Sometimes it just works that way.
dave
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Date: 26 Apr 2007 08:09:28
From: Rex
Subject: Re: Interesting/Worthless Statistic
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"Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote in message
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> What is the best round (vs. par) that you have ever shot with no birdies
> (or
> better)? For me it is a 3 over 70 on a pretty short course with very tough
> greens. 11 GIR's with no putts - let me rephrase that - lots of putts :-)
>
> dave
>
In mid 60's I shot 72 on a par 71 course. Bogeyed the first hole then had
17 pars. Several birdie putts lipped the cup but never went in. I remember
round as it was my best score until the 90"s when I finally broke par. It
still rates as one of my best rounds.
Rex
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Date: 25 Apr 2007 21:09:57
From: David
Subject: Re: Interesting/Worthless Statistic
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:20:05 GMT, "Dave Lee"
<DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote:
>What is the best round (vs. par) that you have ever shot with no birdies (or
>better)? For me it is a 3 over 70 on a pretty short course with very tough
>greens. 11 GIR's with no putts - let me rephrase that - lots of putts :-)
I honestly cannot remember the last time I played a round of golf
and did not have at least one birdie. I would have to believe it was
at least 33 years ago. If you average 12 GIR/round and can putt, I
don't see how you cannot have any birdies during the round.
>dave
David
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Date: 25 Apr 2007 20:36:55
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: Interesting/Worthless Statistic
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"David" <dgold1958@yahoo.de > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:20:05 GMT, "Dave Lee"
> <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>
> >What is the best round (vs. par) that you have ever shot with no birdies
(or
> >better)? For me it is a 3 over 70 on a pretty short course with very
tough
> >greens. 11 GIR's with no putts - let me rephrase that - lots of putts :-)
>
> I honestly cannot remember the last time I played a round of golf
> and did not have at least one birdie. I would have to believe it was
> at least 33 years ago. If you average 12 GIR/round and can putt, I
> don't see how you cannot have any birdies during the round.
>
> >dave
>
> David
>
I only wish that I averaged 12 GIR's round.
I can putt just fine - just can't make any of them :-)
dave
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Date: 25 Apr 2007 14:04:33
From: Jack Skwaht
Subject: Re: Interesting/Worthless Statistic
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Dave Lee wrote:
> What is the best round (vs. par) that you have ever shot with no birdies (or
> better)? For me it is a 3 over 70 on a pretty short course with very tough
> greens. 11 GIR's with no putts - let me rephrase that - lots of putts :-)
>
> dave
>
>
74. 2 over. Failed to get up and down twice. (D'Arcy Ranch, Okotoks
Alberta) Remains my best round ever in relation to par, although I have
a 73 on a par 70. (Le Dome, Hull Quebec)
--
Jack Skwaht
“Every time you tell me you don’t know, I’ll kill you.”
Knapp--victim recovery specialist on Kidnapped, holding a gun to the
head of a bad guy who (‘til now) refuses to talk.
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Date: 25 Apr 2007 09:37:34
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Interesting/Worthless Statistic
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:20:05 GMT, "Dave Lee"
<DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote:
>What is the best round (vs. par) that you have ever shot with no birdies (or
>better)? For me it is a 3 over 70 on a pretty short course with very tough
>greens. 11 GIR's with no putts - let me rephrase that - lots of putts :-)
>
>dave
>
I shot a 76 (personal best) at my home course. No birdies, no double
bogeys. Lots of GIRS and two putts, and a couple of really nice up
and downs.
--
jvdp
RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 25 Apr 2007 10:16:53
From: warren montgomery
Subject: Re: Interesting/Worthless Statistic
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>
> I shot a 76 (personal best) at my home course. No birdies, no double
> bogeys. Lots of GIRS and two putts, and a couple of really nice up
> and downs.
>
For most of us a good round is more about not making any bad mistakes than
about hitting brilliant shots. I've never tracked this staistic, but I know
I've broken 80 many times without birdies. I'd guess mine would probably be
75 or 76. (My personal best, a 70, included an eagle and at least a couple
of birdies to make up for some less than perfect holes.)
--
Warren Montgomery (wamontgomery@att.net)
http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery
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Date: 25 Apr 2007 11:40:23
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Interesting/Worthless Statistic
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:16:53 -0500, "warren montgomery"
<wamontgomery@worldnet.att.net > wrote:
>>
>> I shot a 76 (personal best) at my home course. No birdies, no double
>> bogeys. Lots of GIRS and two putts, and a couple of really nice up
>> and downs.
>>
>For most of us a good round is more about not making any bad mistakes than
>about hitting brilliant shots. I've never tracked this staistic, but I know
>I've broken 80 many times without birdies. I'd guess mine would probably be
>75 or 76. (My personal best, a 70, included an eagle and at least a couple
>of birdies to make up for some less than perfect holes.)
I played with a guy at Pacific Dunes once who had (IIRC) four or five
birdies on his card and shot 83.
--
jvdp
RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 26 Apr 2007 12:59:16
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: Interesting/Worthless Statistic
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"John van der Pflum" <nowhammymyspammy@bite.org > wrote in message
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> On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:16:53 -0500, "warren montgomery"
> <wamontgomery@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I shot a 76 (personal best) at my home course. No birdies, no double
>>> bogeys. Lots of GIRS and two putts, and a couple of really nice up
>>> and downs.
>>>
>>For most of us a good round is more about not making any bad mistakes than
>>about hitting brilliant shots. I've never tracked this staistic, but I
>>know
>>I've broken 80 many times without birdies. I'd guess mine would probably
>>be
>>75 or 76. (My personal best, a 70, included an eagle and at least a
>>couple
>>of birdies to make up for some less than perfect holes.)
>
> I played with a guy at Pacific Dunes once who had (IIRC) four or five
> birdies on his card and shot 83.
I still don't think anyone can beat my record for inconsistency (76-106-80
in three straight rounds). Looks like a sandbagger posting, but it wasn't.
As for lowest rounds without birdies, I'm sure I've shot one over before
withou a birdie, but I don't remember it. I don't make many birdies and my
handicap has always been between 1 and 5 for the least 27 years (geez, that
seems like a long time), but I have never, ever had a round without at least
one bogey.
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Date: 25 Apr 2007 18:05:26
From: Bear
Subject: Re: Interesting/Worthless Statistic
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:40:23 -0400, John van der Pflum
<nowhammymyspammy@bite.org > wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:16:53 -0500, "warren montgomery"
><wamontgomery@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I shot a 76 (personal best) at my home course. No birdies, no double
>>> bogeys. Lots of GIRS and two putts, and a couple of really nice up
>>> and downs.
>>>
>>For most of us a good round is more about not making any bad mistakes than
>>about hitting brilliant shots. I've never tracked this staistic, but I know
>>I've broken 80 many times without birdies. I'd guess mine would probably be
>>75 or 76. (My personal best, a 70, included an eagle and at least a couple
>>of birdies to make up for some less than perfect holes.)
>
>I played with a guy at Pacific Dunes once who had (IIRC) four or five
>birdies on his card and shot 83.
I've shot a 89 (or so, it was a few years ago) with 4 birds on one of
the local courses here. Had a stretch in that game where I went
birdie, triple, birdie, triple, birdie, triple. Still ranks up there
as one of my most schizo rounds ever.
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Date: 25 Apr 2007 15:55:35
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: Interesting/Worthless Statistic
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"John van der Pflum" <nowhammymyspammy@bite.org > wrote in message
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> On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:16:53 -0500, "warren montgomery"
> <wamontgomery@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> I shot a 76 (personal best) at my home course. No birdies, no double
> >> bogeys. Lots of GIRS and two putts, and a couple of really nice up
> >> and downs.
> >>
> >For most of us a good round is more about not making any bad mistakes
than
> >about hitting brilliant shots. I've never tracked this staistic, but I
know
> >I've broken 80 many times without birdies. I'd guess mine would probably
be
> >75 or 76. (My personal best, a 70, included an eagle and at least a
couple
> >of birdies to make up for some less than perfect holes.)
>
> I played with a guy at Pacific Dunes once who had (IIRC) four or five
> birdies on his card and shot 83.
> --
> jvdp
> RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
OK - here ya' go.
My worst round with four or more birdies is 7 over.
dave
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Date: 25 Apr 2007 22:16:07
From: AKA gray asphalt
Subject: Re: Interesting/Worthless Statistic
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"Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote in message
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> "John van der Pflum" <nowhammymyspammy@bite.org> wrote in message
> news:7itu23lkik897jvkuig9qukgnl0t6b9cmo@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:16:53 -0500, "warren montgomery"
>> <wamontgomery@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> >> I shot a 76 (personal best) at my home course. No birdies, no double
>> >> bogeys. Lots of GIRS and two putts, and a couple of really nice up
>> >> and downs.
>> >>
>> >For most of us a good round is more about not making any bad mistakes
> than
>> >about hitting brilliant shots. I've never tracked this staistic, but I
> know
>> >I've broken 80 many times without birdies. I'd guess mine would
>> >probably
> be
>> >75 or 76. (My personal best, a 70, included an eagle and at least a
> couple
>> >of birdies to make up for some less than perfect holes.)
>>
>> I played with a guy at Pacific Dunes once who had (IIRC) four or five
>> birdies on his card and shot 83.
>> --
>> jvdp
>> RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
>> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
>
> OK - here ya' go.
>
> My worst round with four or more birdies is 7 over.
>
> dave
I had 7 birdies once and didn't break 80.
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Date: 25 Apr 2007 22:19:04
From: AKA gray asphalt
Subject: Re: Interesting/Worthless Statistic
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and I had two eagles on 9 once and I can't remember the score so it had to
be 40 or higher.
"AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com > wrote in message
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> "Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote in message
> news:XRKXh.4980$j63.3030@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
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>> "John van der Pflum" <nowhammymyspammy@bite.org> wrote in message
>> news:7itu23lkik897jvkuig9qukgnl0t6b9cmo@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:16:53 -0500, "warren montgomery"
>>> <wamontgomery@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>
>>> >> I shot a 76 (personal best) at my home course. No birdies, no double
>>> >> bogeys. Lots of GIRS and two putts, and a couple of really nice up
>>> >> and downs.
>>> >>
>>> >For most of us a good round is more about not making any bad mistakes
>> than
>>> >about hitting brilliant shots. I've never tracked this staistic, but I
>> know
>>> >I've broken 80 many times without birdies. I'd guess mine would
>>> >probably
>> be
>>> >75 or 76. (My personal best, a 70, included an eagle and at least a
>> couple
>>> >of birdies to make up for some less than perfect holes.)
>>>
>>> I played with a guy at Pacific Dunes once who had (IIRC) four or five
>>> birdies on his card and shot 83.
>>> --
>>> jvdp
>>> RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
>>> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
>>
>> OK - here ya' go.
>>
>> My worst round with four or more birdies is 7 over.
>>
>> dave
>
> I had 7 birdies once and didn't break 80.
>
>
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Date: 25 Apr 2007 11:09:17
From: Joe User
Subject: Re: Interesting/Worthless Statistic
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:13:39 +0100, Blagovist wrote:
> Dave Lee wrote:
>> What is the best round (vs. par) that you have ever shot with no
>> birdies (or better)? For me it is a 3 over 70 on a pretty short course
>> with very tough greens. 11 GIR's with no putts - let me rephrase that -
>> lots of putts :-)
>>
>> dave
>
>
> PAR (71)
The first time I broke 80, I did it with no birdies. It was a 7-over
79. That was last year and I've only broken 80 once since then (with a 6-
over 78 that had 3 birdies). Really, in my heart of hearts, I shot
another 79 a few weeks ago, but I had to take a 2-stroke penalty for
hitting a wrong ball, which made it an 81. Our balls were side by side,
100 yards out, and I could have sworn I saw my mark on it. I hit it to
about 20 feet, had my error pointed out to me, hit my real one to about
30 feet, and two-putted for a 7 (with the 2-stroke penalty).
Okay. I've vented. The answer to your question in my case is 7-over.
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Date: 25 Apr 2007 09:13:39
From: Blagovist
Subject: Re: Interesting/Worthless Statistic
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Dave Lee wrote:
> What is the best round (vs. par) that you have ever shot with no birdies (or
> better)? For me it is a 3 over 70 on a pretty short course with very tough
> greens. 11 GIR's with no putts - let me rephrase that - lots of putts :-)
>
> dave
PAR (71)
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Date: 25 Apr 2007 11:26:46
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: Interesting/Worthless Statistic
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"Blagovist" <blag@ovist.com > wrote in message
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> Dave Lee wrote:
> > What is the best round (vs. par) that you have ever shot with no birdies
(or
> > better)? For me it is a 3 over 70 on a pretty short course with very
tough
> > greens. 11 GIR's with no putts - let me rephrase that - lots of putts
:-)
> >
> > dave
>
>
> PAR (71)
18 straight pars - pretty rare I'd think (even for scratch golfers).
dave
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Date: 25 Apr 2007 17:23:05
From: Blagovist
Subject: Re: Interesting/Worthless Statistic
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Dave Lee wrote:
> "Blagovist" <blag@ovist.com> wrote in message
> news:462f0dbe$1_3@x-privat.org...
>> Dave Lee wrote:
>>> What is the best round (vs. par) that you have ever shot with no birdies
> (or
>>> better)? For me it is a 3 over 70 on a pretty short course with very
> tough
>>> greens. 11 GIR's with no putts - let me rephrase that - lots of putts
> :-)
>>> dave
>>
>> PAR (71)
>
> 18 straight pars - pretty rare I'd think (even for scratch golfers).
>
> dave
Very rare, I only did it the once.
Blago
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