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Date: 13 Nov 2006 07:34:14
From: Laura M
Subject: Iliolumbar Ligament
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I'm having problems with my iliolumbar ligament and haven't been able
to golf in awhile. Has anyone had problems with this ligament? I'd be
interested in hearing how long it took you to get over it and what you
did to strengthen the area. Thank you!!
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Date: 15 Nov 2006 22:20:38
From: newellsatwsu
Subject: Re: Iliolumbar Ligament
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uncle k wrote:
> The initial injury hurt more often than not, for months. Being as careful
> as reasonably possible, I was back to semi-normal in a year, even as the
> setback was semi-permanent. Eight years later, I'm functional enough, but,
> it still can flare up without warning (that's why I endorse generic
> Vicodin). When it does, my chassis turns into a hermit crab-like,
> unbalanced monster over whom I have little control. Can't sit, can't stand,
> can't lay down (see: generic Vicodin). The doctors tell me they definitely
> can cut up my back, not to mention my knees, but they hesitate to assure me
> it will help. Fine, I'll pass on the knives. Good incentive to accept some
> limitation - and - be glad it's as good as it is.
>
> Laura, when you reach your limit, do see a professional. Meanwhile, be
> patient and don't risk doing things that will make it worse. Good luck.
>
> Poor old Unc
>
> (your results may vary, not an MD, or an overly dramatic nurse)
But I do like your pharmaceutical consult. :-)
Man, that sounds painful. I've been very lucky over the years in terms
of knees and back.
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Date: 16 Nov 2006 15:26:14
From: Plat
Subject: Re: Iliolumbar Ligament
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newellsatwsu wrote:
> uncle k wrote:
>
>>The initial injury hurt more often than not, for months. Being as careful
>>as reasonably possible, I was back to semi-normal in a year, even as the
>>setback was semi-permanent. Eight years later, I'm functional enough, but,
>>it still can flare up without warning (that's why I endorse generic
>>Vicodin). When it does, my chassis turns into a hermit crab-like,
>>unbalanced monster over whom I have little control. Can't sit, can't stand,
>>can't lay down (see: generic Vicodin). The doctors tell me they definitely
>>can cut up my back, not to mention my knees, but they hesitate to assure me
>>it will help. Fine, I'll pass on the knives. Good incentive to accept some
>>limitation - and - be glad it's as good as it is.
>>
>>Laura, when you reach your limit, do see a professional. Meanwhile, be
>>patient and don't risk doing things that will make it worse. Good luck.
>>
>>Poor old Unc
>>
>>(your results may vary, not an MD, or an overly dramatic nurse)
>
>
> But I do like your pharmaceutical consult. :-)
>
Better living through pharmaceuticals, I always say. :-)
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 12:09:27
From: Laura M
Subject: Re: Iliolumbar Ligament
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uncle k wrote:
> From the descriptions given here, the area they're taking about has been an
> on and off problem for me. Contributing factors likely include sports
> injuries, car wrecks, high mileage/hard knocks and a barroom brawl or two,
> along the way, but the event which really exacerbated the situation was a
> golf accident. On a wet, freshly sanded tee, wearing girly-man soft-spikes,
> I slipped on my ass. Major back tweakage. I literally had to be helped off
> the course and into my bed.
>
> Desperate, I saw a chiropractor for a few weeks, and actually did get some
> relief. Being a self-healer type, I took it from there. For openers, I
> didn't swing a club for three months. I also bought and used a simple
> elastic/Velcro back brace (belt), when attempting to do anything which would
> put stress on my lower back. I get lots of exercise naturally, but I'm
> apparently too lazy for any planned exercise program. The one thing I did
> do, which didn't hurt (OK, there's one other thing), and really did seem to
> help was swim. It's just easier to be free and flexible in the water,
> assuming said water is shark-free. Ask any sea lion.
>
> The initial injury hurt more often than not, for months. Being as careful
> as reasonably possible, I was back to semi-normal in a year, even as the
> setback was semi-permanent. Eight years later, I'm functional enough, but,
> it still can flare up without warning (that's why I endorse generic
> Vicodin). When it does, my chassis turns into a hermit crab-like,
> unbalanced monster over whom I have little control. Can't sit, can't stand,
> can't lay down (see: generic Vicodin). The doctors tell me they definitely
> can cut up my back, not to mention my knees, but they hesitate to assure me
> it will help. Fine, I'll pass on the knives. Good incentive to accept some
> limitation - and - be glad it's as good as it is.
>
> Laura, when you reach your limit, do see a professional. Meanwhile, be
> patient and don't risk doing things that will make it worse. Good luck.
>
> Poor old Unc
Hi Unc - Thanks for your experience. I've had neck surgery already...a
laminoplasty, where they cut the vertebrate, at three levels in my
case, and insert titanium struts. I've had it with MDs. I'm not much
better after all that! So I like the idea of strengthening and rest.
Rest seems to be a biggy and something I'm not very good at for some
reason. Type A personality I guess. But I can't ignore it any longer.
Doctors really only practice medicine. And they refuse to look at
the entire body as a whole. Why is that? Anyway, sorry to hear you've
been through all that. I can totally relate.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 19:52:05
From: uncle k
Subject: Re: Iliolumbar Ligament
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"Laura M" <fingerson88@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1163432054.262707.314350@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> I'm having problems with my iliolumbar ligament and haven't been able
> to golf in awhile. Has anyone had problems with this ligament? I'd be
> interested in hearing how long it took you to get over it and what you
> did to strengthen the area. Thank you!!
From the descriptions given here, the area they're taking about has been an
on and off problem for me. Contributing factors likely include sports
injuries, car wrecks, high mileage/hard knocks and a barroom brawl or two,
along the way, but the event which really exacerbated the situation was a
golf accident. On a wet, freshly sanded tee, wearing girly-man soft-spikes,
I slipped on my ass. Major back tweakage. I literally had to be helped off
the course and into my bed.
Desperate, I saw a chiropractor for a few weeks, and actually did get some
relief. Being a self-healer type, I took it from there. For openers, I
didn't swing a club for three months. I also bought and used a simple
elastic/Velcro back brace (belt), when attempting to do anything which would
put stress on my lower back. I get lots of exercise naturally, but I'm
apparently too lazy for any planned exercise program. The one thing I did
do, which didn't hurt (OK, there's one other thing), and really did seem to
help was swim. It's just easier to be free and flexible in the water,
assuming said water is shark-free. Ask any sea lion.
The initial injury hurt more often than not, for months. Being as careful
as reasonably possible, I was back to semi-normal in a year, even as the
setback was semi-permanent. Eight years later, I'm functional enough, but,
it still can flare up without warning (that's why I endorse generic
Vicodin). When it does, my chassis turns into a hermit crab-like,
unbalanced monster over whom I have little control. Can't sit, can't stand,
can't lay down (see: generic Vicodin). The doctors tell me they definitely
can cut up my back, not to mention my knees, but they hesitate to assure me
it will help. Fine, I'll pass on the knives. Good incentive to accept some
limitation - and - be glad it's as good as it is.
Laura, when you reach your limit, do see a professional. Meanwhile, be
patient and don't risk doing things that will make it worse. Good luck.
Poor old Unc
(your results may vary, not an MD, or an overly dramatic nurse)
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 15:30:20
From: Laura M
Subject: Re: Iliolumbar Ligament
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mchariff wrote:
> #1: You only give up golf when you don't have a patch of terrain to hit a
> small round thing with long thin thing into a hole. All kidding aside,
> simple lumbar extension exercises using an inflatable Swiss ball should help
> most lumbar instability problems. $25 at any sporting goods store,
> instructions included.
>
> Dr. k
>
> AKA/ k Chariff, D.C.
>
I have a swiss ball here. How would I do a lumbar extension exercise?
Is it possible for you to describe here? I've been doing yoga
stretches but they're not really helping the pain.
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 03:43:09
From: Plat
Subject: Re: Iliolumbar Ligament
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Laura M wrote:
> mchariff wrote:
>
>>#1: You only give up golf when you don't have a patch of terrain to hit a
>>small round thing with long thin thing into a hole. All kidding aside,
>>simple lumbar extension exercises using an inflatable Swiss ball should help
>>most lumbar instability problems. $25 at any sporting goods store,
>>instructions included.
>>
>>Dr. k
>>
>>AKA/ k Chariff, D.C.
>>
>
> I have a swiss ball here. How would I do a lumbar extension exercise?
> Is it possible for you to describe here? I've been doing yoga
> stretches but they're not really helping the pain.
>
Laura:
A lot of things can "piss off" your iliolumbar ligament, including mild
dysfunction in your lumbar spine, pelvic obliquity or rotation,
instability... and a few other things. It's hard to prescribe exercises
over the net- it is possible that some good core stabilization would
help, but get yourself evaluated by a good PT (or DC, with respect to
Dr. M). You can then get a program prescribed based on the findings.
Plat, MS PT
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 23:29:22
From: mchariff
Subject: Re: Iliolumbar Ligament
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I agree with Plat regarding getting a professional assessment relative to
your lower back complaints. Personally, I believe in self sufficiency, i.e.,
buy the Swiss ball and read the instructions that should come with it. If
none are to be found, do a Google search on Swiss ball exercise videos and
buy one. Or check Google video to give you an overview. It's less expensive
than visiting a chiropractor, P.T. (with all due respect), or M.D. If the
exercise doesn't take a significant edge off your problem, a lumbar MRI
might be in order per physician order. BTW, "iliolumbar ligament strain" is
a garbage can term that we professionals use when we don't have a definitive
diagnosis to hang our hats on. The same thing can be said for terms like
lumbalgia, myofascitis, fibromyalgia, etc.
Just my 3 cents,
Dr. k
> Laura:
> A lot of things can "piss off" your iliolumbar ligament, including mild
> dysfunction in your lumbar spine, pelvic obliquity or rotation,
> instability... and a few other things. It's hard to prescribe exercises
> over the net- it is possible that some good core stabilization would help,
> but get yourself evaluated by a good PT (or DC, with respect to Dr. M).
> You can then get a program prescribed based on the findings.
>
> Plat, MS PT
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 21:17:11
From: Plat
Subject: Re: Iliolumbar Ligament
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mchariff wrote:
> I agree with Plat regarding getting a professional assessment relative to
> your lower back complaints. Personally, I believe in self sufficiency, i.e.,
> buy the Swiss ball and read the instructions that should come with it. If
> none are to be found, do a Google search on Swiss ball exercise videos and
> buy one. Or check Google video to give you an overview. It's less expensive
> than visiting a chiropractor, P.T. (with all due respect), or M.D. If the
> exercise doesn't take a significant edge off your problem, a lumbar MRI
> might be in order per physician order. BTW, "iliolumbar ligament strain" is
> a garbage can term that we professionals use when we don't have a definitive
> diagnosis to hang our hats on. The same thing can be said for terms like
> lumbalgia, myofascitis, fibromyalgia, etc.
>
> Just my 3 cents,
>
> Dr. k
>
>
We do certainly have a few junk terms! I too believe in self
sufficiency. Sometimes generic exercises can just make the problem
worse, especially if they are done incorrectly. Often, it is better done
under the guidance of a professional to help prevent any further injury.
I wish I could say we make a lot of bucks on this, but as you know Dr.
M, all of our reimbursement just sucks lately! :-)
Laura, I can speak for good practitioners in my profession... we do look
at you as a whole person, not just one aching area. You can try some
things on your own, but if it gets worse or if generic exercises don't
help, please find someone very competent and ethical in your area for a
few visits!
>
>
>
>>Laura:
>>A lot of things can "piss off" your iliolumbar ligament, including mild
>>dysfunction in your lumbar spine, pelvic obliquity or rotation,
>>instability... and a few other things. It's hard to prescribe exercises
>>over the net- it is possible that some good core stabilization would help,
>>but get yourself evaluated by a good PT (or DC, with respect to Dr. M).
>>You can then get a program prescribed based on the findings.
>>
>>Plat, MS PT
>
>
>
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 19:29:50
From: mchariff
Subject: Re: Iliolumbar Ligament
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Excellent advice Plat ! Also, working at the edge of your therapeutic
envelope in a therapeutically sucessful arena balances out the crummy
reimbursements, at least for me....
Dr. k
> We do certainly have a few junk terms! I too believe in self sufficiency.
> Sometimes generic exercises can just make the problem worse, especially if
> they are done incorrectly. Often, it is better done under the guidance of
> a professional to help prevent any further injury. I wish I could say we
> make a lot of bucks on this, but as you know Dr. M, all of our
> reimbursement just sucks lately! :-)
>
> Laura, I can speak for good practitioners in my profession... we do look
> at you as a whole person, not just one aching area. You can try some
> things on your own, but if it gets worse or if generic exercises don't
> help, please find someone very competent and ethical in your area for a
> few visits!
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
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Date: 16 Nov 2006 02:37:54
From: Plat
Subject: Re: Iliolumbar Ligament
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Yep- you're right. We actually do some self-pay, golf-specific personal
training for our patients and anyone who wants to do it. People really
like the idea of having someone with a medical background who also can
help them exercise!
mchariff wrote:
> Excellent advice Plat ! Also, working at the edge of your therapeutic
> envelope in a therapeutically sucessful arena balances out the crummy
> reimbursements, at least for me....
>
> Dr. k
>
>
>
>>We do certainly have a few junk terms! I too believe in self sufficiency.
>>Sometimes generic exercises can just make the problem worse, especially if
>>they are done incorrectly. Often, it is better done under the guidance of
>>a professional to help prevent any further injury. I wish I could say we
>>make a lot of bucks on this, but as you know Dr. M, all of our
>>reimbursement just sucks lately! :-)
>>
>>Laura, I can speak for good practitioners in my profession... we do look
>>at you as a whole person, not just one aching area. You can try some
>>things on your own, but if it gets worse or if generic exercises don't
>>help, please find someone very competent and ethical in your area for a
>>few visits!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 17:14:01
From: DaveB
Subject: Re: Iliolumbar Ligament
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On 13 Nov 2006 07:34:14 -0800, "Laura M" <fingerson88@aol.com > wrote:
>I'm having problems with my iliolumbar ligament and haven't been able
>to golf in awhile. Has anyone had problems with this ligament? I'd be
>interested in hearing how long it took you to get over it and what you
>did to strengthen the area. Thank you!!
>
Give me a hint where it's located and I will get back to you.
Regards
Daveb
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 17:15:24
From: David Geesaman
Subject: Re: Iliolumbar Ligament
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DaveB wrote:
> On 13 Nov 2006 07:34:14 -0800, "Laura M" <fingerson88@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm having problems with my iliolumbar ligament and haven't been able
>> to golf in awhile. Has anyone had problems with this ligament? I'd be
>> interested in hearing how long it took you to get over it and what you
>> did to strengthen the area. Thank you!!
>>
> Give me a hint where it's located and I will get back to you.
>
> Regards
> Daveb
It's right in between the ileus and lumber, duh. :)
Dave
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 16:38:24
From: mchariff
Subject: Re: Iliolumbar Ligament
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When you are standing , place your hands on your hips (pelvis) with the
thumbs extended, touching the bony prominence on the upper part of the
pelvis (posterior). The illiolumbar ligament attaches at this approximate
point and extends upward, also attaching to the lower vertebral bony
prominences.
Dr. k
<DaveB > wrote in message news:4558a7ad.9626599@news.dslextreme.com...
> On 13 Nov 2006 07:34:14 -0800, "Laura M" <fingerson88@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>I'm having problems with my iliolumbar ligament and haven't been able
>>to golf in awhile. Has anyone had problems with this ligament? I'd be
>>interested in hearing how long it took you to get over it and what you
>>did to strengthen the area. Thank you!!
>>
> Give me a hint where it's located and I will get back to you.
>
> Regards
> Daveb
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 09:45:17
From: david s-a
Subject: Re: Iliolumbar Ligament
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mchariff wrote:
> When you are standing , place your hands on your hips (pelvis) with the
> thumbs extended, touching the bony prominence on the upper part of the
> pelvis (posterior). The illiolumbar ligament attaches at this approximate
> point and extends upward, also attaching to the lower vertebral bony
> prominences.
>
> Dr. k
Oh...THAT illiolumbar ligament!! Yup...I have a problem when I stand and
place my hands on my hips (pelvis) with the thumbs etxtended trying to
touch the upper part of the pelvis (posterior). My thumbs don't reach
it! Also...I don't seem to have any lower vertebral bony prominences!
:-)
david
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 21:42:51
From: DaveB
Subject: Re: Iliolumbar Ligament
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:38:24 -0500, "mchariff"
<mchariff@bellsouth.net > wrote:
>When you are standing , place your hands on your hips (pelvis) with the
>thumbs extended, touching the bony prominence on the upper part of the
>pelvis (posterior). The illiolumbar ligament attaches at this approximate
>point and extends upward, also attaching to the lower vertebral bony
>prominences.
>
>Dr. k
>
><
Thanks Doc, If I ever hurt that I will quit golf.
Best
Daveb
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 17:11:57
From: mchariff
Subject: Re: Iliolumbar Ligament
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#1: You only give up golf when you don't have a patch of terrain to hit a
small round thing with long thin thing into a hole. All kidding aside,
simple lumbar extension exercises using an inflatable Swiss ball should help
most lumbar instability problems. $25 at any sporting goods store,
instructions included.
Dr. k
AKA/ k Chariff, D.C.
<DaveB > wrote in message news:4558e671.25696317@news.dslextreme.com...
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:38:24 -0500, "mchariff"
> <mchariff@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>When you are standing , place your hands on your hips (pelvis) with the
>>thumbs extended, touching the bony prominence on the upper part of the
>>pelvis (posterior). The illiolumbar ligament attaches at this approximate
>>point and extends upward, also attaching to the lower vertebral bony
>>prominences.
>>
>>Dr. k
>>
>><
> Thanks Doc, If I ever hurt that I will quit golf.
>
> Best
>
> Daveb
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