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Date: 23 Dec 2006 10:48:41
From: retiredusarmy
Subject: How Tennessee does the Ten Commandments and sloppy golf
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It was sloppy this morning. I got a free mud bath without paying the spa
price. Today is when I wished I could pick the ball.
Tennessee Ten Commandments
Some people in Tennessee have trouble with all those "shalls" and "shall
nots" in the in the Ten commandments. . Folks just aren't used to talking in
those terms. So, some folks in middle Tennessee got together and translated
the "King James" into "Jackson County" language,.... no joke, read on... The
Hillbilly's Ten Commandments (posted on the wall at Cross Trails Church in
Gainesboro, TN.)
(1) Just one God.
(2) Honor yer Ma &Pa.
(3) No tellin' tales or gossipin'.
(4) Git yourself to Sunday meetin'
(5) Put nothin' before God.
(6) No foolin' around with another fellow's gal.
(7) No killin.'
(8) Watch yer mouth.
(9) Don't take what ain't yers.
(10) Don't be hankerin' for yer buddy's stuff.
Now that's kinda plain an' simple, don't ya think? Y'all have a nice day.
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Date: 25 Dec 2006 14:04:15
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: How Tennessee does the Ten Commandments and sloppy golf
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retiredusarmy wrote:
> Tennessee Ten Commandments
>
> Some people in Tennessee have trouble with all those "shalls" and "shall
> nots" in the in the Ten commandments. . Folks just aren't used to talking in
> those terms.
So big boy, did ya get a new money clip for Christmas?
http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/47525835
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Date: 25 Dec 2006 14:02:52
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: How Tennessee does the Ten Commandments and sloppy golf
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Head Shot wrote:
> What about the DC. His defensive scheme calling is horrible. Some of the
> players on that defense are amazing; and yet this is IMHO the worst defense
> in the history of the NFL. You have Abraham, Milloy, Kerney, Brooking,
> Hall, Coleman and Rossum on the same defense and they can't stop anything.
> That has to be the coaches, no?
No doubt. Here's a typical series with Atlanta on defense.
1st & 10.
1st down: Run off tackle .... stop for no gain.
2nd & 10.
2nd down: QB sacked for loss of 7.
3rd and 17.
3rd down: Falcons only rush 3, one of them being Grady Jackson, who
weighs more than a Volkswagen. QB had time to pick out his open
receiver .... pass complete .... gain of 19 .... First Down!
As for the offense, Greg Knapp must go. There are certain plays that
seem to work every time, like the FB pass to Justin Griffin who is
always open for at least 5-8 yards. Other plays rarely work like
pounding the 5'8" Warrick Dunn on short yardage situations. But that
doesn't stop Knapp from calling the stupid plays.
I went to the Cowboys game, which was pretty well-played by Falcons
standards (except for D. Hall who kept getting punked by T.O.). Anyway,
time is running down in the 4th quarter and the Falcons have a 3rd and
1 in Cowboy territory. It's obviously two-down territory.
This might be a great time to hit the Cowboys deep since you know
you'll be going for 4th down anyway.
So what do they do? They try pounding Dunn up the middle, of course,
and the Cowboys are ready and waiting. Now it's 4th down. So maybe
now we'll see a Vick rollout, or the FB pass, right? Wrong. Vick
drops back in the pocket and fires a bullet to a jumping, well-covered,
Alge Crumpler about 15 yards downfield. Incomplete. Cowboys ball.
Ballgame.
That type of pass is completed maybe 30% of the time, so why not go
with something with a little higher percentage?
The Titans have it about right on their play calling. They just wait
till 4th down and then let Vince Young run 40 yards for a TD.
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Date: 25 Dec 2006 17:12:57
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: How Tennessee does the Ten Commandments and sloppy golf
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annika1980 wrote:
> No doubt. Here's a typical series with Atlanta on defense.
> 1st & 10.
> 1st down: Run off tackle .... stop for no gain.
> 2nd & 10.
> 2nd down: QB sacked for loss of 7.
> 3rd and 17.
> 3rd down: Falcons only rush 3, one of them being Grady Jackson, who
> weighs more than a Volkswagen. QB had time to pick out his open
> receiver .... pass complete .... gain of 19 .... First Down!
How does the hierarchy work? I know Art Blank hired Jim Mora's kid to run
the show; but did Mora bring in his own staff? I think the HC, OC, DC,
QB coach, WR coach, and some of the defensive assistants have all failed to
accomplish what they should have (considering the superstars on the team).
Art Blank said he is going with Vick no matter what. So draw a line through
the option of firing Vick and going with Schaub.
> As for the offense, Greg Knapp must go. There are certain plays that
> seem to work every time, like the FB pass to Justin Griffin who is
> always open for at least 5-8 yards. Other plays rarely work like
> pounding the 5'8" Warrick Dunn on short yardage situations. But that
> doesn't stop Knapp from calling the stupid plays.
I am guessing that if Mora goes; the new guy brings in a new OC and DC, no?
I am curious as to what HC's are even on the open ket. I don't think
taking one from NCAA is a solution; as that seems to have always failed. So
what do you take from the existing NFL? Or do you ask someone to come out
of retirement?
> I went to the Cowboys game, which was pretty well-played by Falcons
> standards (except for D. Hall who kept getting punked by T.O.).
But truly; is there a more talented WR than TO? I would expect him to
hurt you on at least a few plays. I also expect Terry Glenn to burn you
on a few plays as well. Man; this new kid (Roma) is spoiled - look at all
the great people he gets to work with. Also, with Bledsoe on the sideline
giving advice the kid is gonna grow rapidly. Look what Bledsoe did for
Brady. Drew is a team player, great leader, and definitely a future
HOF'er.
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Date: 23 Dec 2006 12:33:38
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: How Tennessee does the Ten Commandments and sloppy golf
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retiredusarmy wrote:
> (10) Don't be hankerin' for yer buddy's stuff.
You can't ask your buddy if you can borrow his shit? What the hell kind of
retarded god is this?!?!?!
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Date: 25 Dec 2006 06:09:09
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: How Tennessee does the Ten Commandments and sloppy golf
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On 23-Dec-2006, "Head Shot" <HeadShot@ThePinkMist.com > wrote:
> > (10) Don't be hankerin' for yer buddy's stuff.
>
> You can't ask your buddy if you can borrow his shit? What the hell kind
> of retarded god is this?!?!?!
One of the Manning Bros perhaps? They'll worhip anything in TN!
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 23 Dec 2006 08:54:53
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: How Tennessee does the Ten Commandments and sloppy golf
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retiredusarmy wrote:
> It was sloppy this morning. I got a free mud bath without paying the spa
> price. Today is when I wished I could pick the ball.
>
> Tennessee Ten Commandments
Alabama only has one Commandment.
1. Worship "The Bear" and keep him Holy.
Found a new football coach yet?
There's a few homeless bums around here that might take the job.
Just kidding! They don't want it either! LOL!
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Date: 23 Dec 2006 12:35:27
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: How Tennessee does the Ten Commandments and sloppy golf
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annika1980 wrote:
> Found a new football coach yet?
For sale: Jim Mora Jr. Cheap. Only used 3 year. Never seen rain, snow,
or post season. Low miles. No usable options.
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Date: 24 Dec 2006 19:10:36
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: How Tennessee does the Ten Commandments and sloppy golf
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"Head Shot" <HeadShot@ThePinkMist.com > wrote ...
> annika1980 wrote:
>> Found a new football coach yet?
>
> For sale: Jim Mora Jr. Cheap. Only used 3 year. Never seen rain,
> snow, or post season. Low miles. No usable options.
Not that I'm a Falcons fan (I'm not -- just because I live there doesn't
mean I root for those losers), but just to set the record straight: Mora
*did*, in fact, get the team to the post season. In fact, he led them to
the NFC Championship game in his first season as coach (they lost to
Philadelphia). Not that it matters now. He's history at the end of this
season.
Randy
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Date: 25 Dec 2006 01:14:15
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: How Tennessee does the Ten Commandments and sloppy golf
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"R&B" wrote:
> Not that I'm a Falcons fan (I'm not -- just because I live there
> doesn't mean I root for those losers), but just to set the record
> straight: Mora *did*, in fact, get the team to the post season. In
> fact, he led them to the NFC Championship game in his first season as
> coach (they lost to Philadelphia). Not that it matters now. He's
> history at the end of this season.
I'm wishing he was history before today's game occurred. What kind of poor
coaching allows a team at home to lose to a lesser team who's QB passes for
a total of 30 yards and 4 completions? Additionally; what kind of poor
coaching ends up with 11 offensive drives led by a pro-bowl QB culminating
in a total of 3 points? The play calling was laughable. I am not one of
the pro-Vick Falcon fans; but I most certainly do not think his poor play
was the reason that coaching skills are now in question. I think these
coaches downright suck. Not that I have any idea who you replace Mora
with.
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Date: 25 Dec 2006 02:11:37
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: How Tennessee does the Ten Commandments and sloppy golf
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"Head Shot" <HeadShot@ThePinkMist.com > wrote in message
news:K_Jjh.12171$%e7.7224@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> "R&B" wrote:
>> Not that I'm a Falcons fan (I'm not -- just because I live there
>> doesn't mean I root for those losers), but just to set the record
>> straight: Mora *did*, in fact, get the team to the post season. In
>> fact, he led them to the NFC Championship game in his first season as
>> coach (they lost to Philadelphia). Not that it matters now. He's
>> history at the end of this season.
>
> I'm wishing he was history before today's game occurred. What kind of
> poor coaching allows a team at home to lose to a lesser team who's QB
> passes for a total of 30 yards and 4 completions? Additionally; what
> kind of poor coaching ends up with 11 offensive drives led by a pro-bowl
> QB culminating in a total of 3 points? The play calling was laughable.
> I am not one of the pro-Vick Falcon fans; but I most certainly do not
> think his poor play was the reason that coaching skills are now in
> question. I think these coaches downright suck. Not that I have any
> idea who you replace Mora with.
Like I said, I'm not a Falcons fan, but I do know this much...
The personnel department is at least as guilty as the coaching staff for the
team's present state. They have missed on so many #1 draft choices. I
believe all, if not most, of their receivers are #1 draft choices, yet the
Falcons lead the league in dropped passes. And the offensive line has
provided little in the way of pass blocking for Vick. That he HAS to run so
much is merely an indication of the poor pass protection.
Then there is the matter of Vick himself. Never has a running quarterback
been all that successful. Vick seems put out by how the press (and to some
extent, the public) views him not as a passing quarterback, but as a running
quarterback. Yet his completion percentage, hovering at around 50%, is
among the league's lowest. In fact, even if you go back to the 1970s, long
before NFL rules changed to favor the passing game, a 50% completion
percentage wouldn't have gotten it done. Like I said, some of the blame for
this can be laid at the feet (or the brick hands) of his receivers. But
anyone who watches the Falcons (and I do, since they're always on here)
knows, if they're willing to be honest about it, that Vick rarely puts the
ball where the receivers can catch it. (And when he does, they often drop
it.) But most of all, for someone who's been running the West Coast offense
for as many years as he has, Vick seems like he has yet to grasp the
progression. He seldom dumps it off for an easy completion; he too often
goes for the low-percentage pass. That's all Vick.
Coaching is part of it. But personnel is a bigger part.
Now if the Cowboys can just get past the Eagles Christmas night, I'll be
happy.
Randy
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Date: 25 Dec 2006 15:08:25
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: How Tennessee does the Ten Commandments and sloppy golf
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"R&B" wrote:
> The personnel department is at least as guilty as the coaching staff
> for the team's present state. They have missed on so many #1 draft
> choices. I believe all, if not most, of their receivers are #1 draft
> choices, yet the Falcons lead the league in dropped passes. And the
> offensive line has provided little in the way of pass blocking for
> Vick. That he HAS to run so much is merely an indication of the poor
> pass protection.
1) I think there are QB throw soft balls that are easy to catch; and QB's
that throw hard balls that are not easy to catch. The reason I would put
Vick in the latter group is because WR's that have been in other
organizations have done well there. Peerless Price caught 2,800 yards in
Buffalo over a 3 year period (including a 1,300 yard season) but when he
came to work with Vick he did nothing of note. Ashley Lelie caught 3,200
yards over 4 years in Denver (icluding an 1,100 yard year) and when he came
here he did nothing of note. Maybe the story the TV announcers tell of
"hard balls" and "soft balls" is true. Perhaps it is hard to catch a Vick
pass.
2) New England went through this with Flutie vs. Eason; so I am familiar
with this O line issue. How an O-line is built (by free agents and
drafting) depends on who is QB'ing. You hire different personnel for a
pocket passer versus a roll-out passer. Additonally; you even hire
different personnel based on the height of the QB. Portions of the O-Line
for Atlanta was hired for a taller, pocket passer (Chris Chandler, who is
6-4 and a true pocket passer). Also to complicate things - some weeks
they keep Vick in the pocket and other weeks they have Vick run all over the
place. If you are an O-lineman, facing away from the QB, and Vick
decides to take off; I am not sure you know what you are supposed to be
doing. Vick scrambles on pocket plays.
> Then there is the matter of Vick himself. Never has a running
> quarterback been all that successful.
Excellent point; and one that I make often. I call him the "Vick
Experiment", and I believe it is one that failed. And he is not hte
first - think back to Slash Stewart or Doug Flutie. They did not do well in
NFL, though Flutie did well with the wider field (and a roll-out offense
designed for him) in Canada.
>Vick seems put out by how the
> press (and to some extent, the public) views him not as a passing
> quarterback, but as a running quarterback.
Having heard him speak often; he is extremely "gangsta" in his thinking and
I think that comes into play. He hates everybody and has a huge chip on his
shoulder. I don't think he grasps the "public interface" portion of his
job.
> Yet his completion
> percentage, hovering at around 50%, is among the league's lowest. In
> fact, even if you go back to the 1970s, long before NFL rules changed
> to favor the passing game, a 50% completion percentage wouldn't have
> gotten it done.
Yes; he is horrible as a passer. The "Vick Show" is all about running
like a wild man. When you take that away; his completion percentage
actually drops to below 25%. I have seen him miss his WR's and TE's by 10
to 15 yards on at least 50% of the plays. I think at some point the WR's
don't plan on being close enough to the ball to even fantasize catching it.
That has to creep into their minds at some point ("why am I running this
route? Vick is just going to run or throw it 20 yards away from me").
> Like I said, some of the blame for this can be laid
> at the feet (or the brick hands) of his receivers.
I earlier pointed to WR's that have had wonderful success when Vick is not
throwing the ball at them. I think Vick could be as much to blame as the
WR's.
> But anyone who
> watches the Falcons (and I do, since they're always on here) knows,
> if they're willing to be honest about it, that Vick rarely puts the
> ball where the receivers can catch it. (And when he does, they often
> drop it.) But most of all, for someone who's been running the West
> Coast offense for as many years as he has, Vick seems like he has yet
> to grasp the progression. He seldom dumps it off for an easy
> completion; he too often goes for the low-percentage pass. That's
> all Vick.
Another point I always make. Vick does not count through his WR's, TE's,
and RB's like most QB's do. He looks at his priy and perhaps secondary
WR; and off he goes to the races. No patience at all.
> Coaching is part of it. But personnel is a bigger part.
Yesterday the Dirty Birds played against the Panthers. Panthers do not
have a QB; so about a dozen times on 3rd and 4th down they did a direct
snap to the RB without even having a QB in the backfield. Each time, they
got a first down. Atlanta knew it was a direct snap coming, they knew it
was running up the middle, and yet each time they called the same defensive
scheme and gave up the big yards. Every single time! It was frustrating to
watch.
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Date: 26 Dec 2006 00:25:48
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: How Tennessee does the Ten Commandments and sloppy golf
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On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:08:25 -0500, "Head Shot"
<HeadShot@ThePinkMist.com > wrote:
>1) I think there are QB throw soft balls that are easy to catch; and QB's
>that throw hard balls that are not easy to catch.
The best passes are those that aren't the easiest to catch - because
they get to the receiver in a hurry, giving him time to pull the ball
in before the defenders get there. I'm a Brocos fan, and Jay Cutler
has that speed - reminding me of Elway with that. Funny thing that
if you look at Jay Cutler or Jake Plummer with their shirts off, you
couldn't begin to guess which had the rocket arm.
>The reason I would put
>Vick in the latter group is because WR's that have been in other
>organizations have done well there.
A lot of that is coaching. Elway's legs scared opponents enough that
opposing teams kept someone spying on him for running - but it was his
arm that killed him. Mora is wasting Vick. Also, running backs
average short careers. If you have given up on Vick, play him the
way Mora is playing him. But he has the potential to be special.
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Date: 27 Dec 2006 02:09:02
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: How Tennessee does the Ten Commandments and sloppy golf
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"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net > wrote in message
news:alq0p29ll2j7jsva1u8q98lhhbc67uceuv@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:08:25 -0500, "Head Shot"
> <HeadShot@ThePinkMist.com> wrote:
>
>>1) I think there are QB throw soft balls that are easy to catch; and QB's
>>that throw hard balls that are not easy to catch.
>
> The best passes are those that aren't the easiest to catch - because
> they get to the receiver in a hurry, giving him time to pull the ball
> in before the defenders get there. I'm a Brocos fan, and Jay Cutler
> has that speed - reminding me of Elway with that. Funny thing that
> if you look at Jay Cutler or Jake Plummer with their shirts off, you
> couldn't begin to guess which had the rocket arm.
>
>>The reason I would put
>>Vick in the latter group is because WR's that have been in other
>>organizations have done well there.
>
> A lot of that is coaching. Elway's legs scared opponents enough that
> opposing teams kept someone spying on him for running - but it was his
> arm that killed him. Mora is wasting Vick. Also, running backs
> average short careers. If you have given up on Vick, play him the
> way Mora is playing him. But he has the potential to be special.
Maybe yes, maybe no. I would agree that Vick has shown flashes of
brilliance. That he's not put in a position to make better use of his arm
more often is clearly a coaching issue. But there are so many other
problems with the Falcons that nobody here wants to talk about, it's crazy.
The line is horrible. They're good run blockers, but they can't pass block
for shit. Just look at the team's sack numbers the past few years. With
Vick back there, he should *never* get sacked. So the line is just letting
people through. Plus, the receivers aren't getting open (and when they do,
they're not catching the ball).
And to be fair, they've been fighting injuries all year. But so do most
other teams, and injuries are never a good excuse for losing.
It's hard to believe this team was in the NFC Championship game just a few
years ago. But they were.
Randy
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Date: 25 Dec 2006 19:41:44
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: How Tennessee does the Ten Commandments and sloppy golf
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> A lot of that is coaching. Elway's legs scared opponents enough that
> opposing teams kept someone spying on him for running - but it was his
> arm that killed him. Mora is wasting Vick. Also, running backs
> average short careers. If you have given up on Vick, play him the
> way Mora is playing him. But he has the potential to be special.
I dunno - the "Vick Experiment" is actually part three. They tried it
with Slash Stewart and Doug Flutie already; with poor results. And Flutie
is WAY ster than Vick; which is important for a QB. Vick cannot even
spell "defense", let alone properly read one.
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Date: 25 Dec 2006 15:52:03
From: \R&B\
Subject: Re: How Tennessee does the Ten Commandments and sloppy golf
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"Head Shot" <HeadShot@ThePinkMist.com > wrote
>
>> Then there is the matter of Vick himself. Never has a running
>> quarterback been all that successful.
>
> Excellent point; and one that I make often. I call him the "Vick
> Experiment", and I believe it is one that failed. And he is not hte
> first - think back to Slash Stewart or Doug Flutie. They did not do well
> in NFL, though Flutie did well with the wider field (and a roll-out
> offense designed for him) in Canada.
Flutie was fairly successful, when he was given a chance. But his height,
more than anything else, is what held him back.
But I'll go you one better. I'm old enough to remember Bobby Douglas with
the Chicago Bears. Douglas was Mike Vick back in the 1970s. Strong arm,
but no control and no touch. And quite often, he just took off running. He
wasn't as fast as Vick (who is?), but it was Douglas's single season rushing
record for a QB that Vick broke against the Cowboys a couple weeks ago.
Douglas had 960-some-odd yards, which was (and still is) rekable for a
QB. But he had a rag arm. Worse, even, than Vick.
>> completion
>> percentage, hovering at around 50%, is among the league's lowest. In
>> fact, even if you go back to the 1970s, long before NFL rules changed
>> to favor the passing game, a 50% completion percentage wouldn't have
>> gotten it done.
>
> Yes; he is horrible as a passer. The "Vick Show" is all about running
> like a wild man. When you take that away; his completion percentage
> actually drops to below 25%. I have seen him miss his WR's and TE's by
> 10 to 15 yards on at least 50% of the plays. I think at some point the
> WR's don't plan on being close enough to the ball to even fantasize
> catching it. That has to creep into their minds at some point ("why am I
> running this route? Vick is just going to run or throw it 20 yards away
> from me").
Again, what amazes me most about the "Vick mystique" is how some observers
often rek favorably about what a good passer he is on the run. Anyone
who's watched the team regularly knows that the opposite is true. Vick is
horribly inaccurate with his passing when he's on the run. One of the worst
I've ever seen. Heck, I grew up in Kansas City and remember watching Len
Dawson, not known as a runner, who played in the Hank Stram system and the
"moving pocket." He completed a rekable percentage of passes while on
the move, and when he did scramble (and actually RUN), he could still fit
the ball through the head of a needle. Like most pro quarterbacks, Vick
passes with adequate accuracy when he's able to plant his feet, square his
hips (which he often fails to do) and let loose. But to say he's a good
passer when on the run is just not true. He's a terrible passer when on the
run. But he's a helluva runner when he's trying to pass (except against
fast linebackers who can contain him -- and then he's toast).
>> Like I said, some of the blame for this can be laid
>> at the feet (or the brick hands) of his receivers.
>
> I earlier pointed to WR's that have had wonderful success when Vick is not
> throwing the ball at them. I think Vick could be as much to blame as the
> WR's.
I don't disagree with you about Vick having a tendency not to throw
"catchable" balls. By this stage of his career, he should have learned what
most QBs learn eventually -- to take something off the ball and float one in
to make it easy for his receivers to catch it. But of course in many
circumstances, that's just not an option; the QB has to fire it in there.
These receivers have had way too many balls hit them right in the hands or
right on the numbers, only to drop them. These guys are professionals; they
should be able to catch anything thrown their way.
>> Coaching is part of it. But personnel is a bigger part.
>
> Yesterday the Dirty Birds played against the Panthers. Panthers do not
> have a QB; so about a dozen times on 3rd and 4th down they did a direct
> snap to the RB without even having a QB in the backfield. Each time,
> they got a first down. Atlanta knew it was a direct snap coming, they
> knew it was running up the middle, and yet each time they called the same
> defensive scheme and gave up the big yards. Every single time! It was
> frustrating to watch.
What will be interesting to watch after game 16 next week is whether Arthur
Blank fires Mora and his staff, or if Mora is given a reprieve under the
condition that he replaces the Offensive Coordinator, Greg Knapp. Either
approach would be an improvement, and a case could be made that firing the
entire staff would cause more problems than it solves in the short term.
Either way, I suspect Knapp is gone at year's end.
But then, a case could also be made that bringing in a new staff *can* yield
instant success, like you see this year in New Orleans. Of course, Saints
coach Sean Payton also had a few key personnel additions to help his cause.
Speaking of Sean Payton (head coach of the Saints), am I the only one who
has always thought he's the spittin' image of Lee Harvey Oswald?
http://www.mindspring.com/~randb/ (posted when SP was still with Dallas)
So first he's in Dallas, then he moves to New Orleans, the opposite sequence
of Mr. Oswald. Hmmmm. Anyone notice Sean Payton handing out "Fair Play for
Cuba" leaflets recently?
Randy
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Date: 25 Dec 2006 16:22:23
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: How Tennessee does the Ten Commandments and sloppy golf
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"R&B" wrote:
> "Head Shot" <HeadShot@ThePinkMist.com> wrote
> Flutie was fairly successful, when he was given a chance. But his
> height, more than anything else, is what held him back.
Flutie had no success in the NFL; but he was put in a role where the
offensive line and the play were designed for a pocket passer. When he
went to the CFL, he had a wider field and rolled out and there he had great
success; winning their version of the Superbowl.
> But I'll go you one better. I'm old enough to remember Bobby Douglas
> with the Chicago Bears. Douglas was Mike Vick back in the 1970s. Strong
> arm, but no control and no touch. And quite often, he just
> took off running. He wasn't as fast as Vick (who is?), but it was
> Douglas's single season rushing record for a QB that Vick broke
> against the Cowboys a couple weeks ago. Douglas had 960-some-odd
> yards, which was (and still is) rekable for a QB. But he had a
> rag arm. Worse, even, than Vick.
I was a young teen back then and really don't remember Bobby Douglas. You
old man. :-)
> Again, what amazes me most about the "Vick mystique" is how some
> observers often rek favorably about what a good passer he is on
> the run. Anyone who's watched the team regularly knows that the
> opposite is true. Vick is horribly inaccurate with his passing when
> he's on the run. One of the worst I've ever seen.
They must mean arm strength. I once saw him throw going across his body
while scrambling and hitting his WR 70 yards away on the fly at the other
endzone. Of course; on the next series he missed Alge by 15 yards on a 10
yard pass.
> Heck, I grew up
> in Kansas City and remember watching Len Dawson, not known as a
> runner, who played in the Hank Stram system and the "moving pocket." He
> completed a rekable percentage of passes while on the move, and
> when he did scramble (and actually RUN), he could still fit the ball
> through the head of a needle. Like most pro quarterbacks, Vick
> passes with adequate accuracy when he's able to plant his feet,
> square his hips (which he often fails to do) and let loose. But to
> say he's a good passer when on the run is just not true. He's a
> terrible passer when on the run. But he's a helluva runner when he's
> trying to pass (except against fast linebackers who can contain him
> -- and then he's toast).
Yep - the Vick experiement is a bust. And you can't put him at RB because
he is way too expensive ($150 million) and too fragile (gets injured all the
time).
> I don't disagree with you about Vick having a tendency not to throw
> "catchable" balls. By this stage of his career, he should have
> learned what most QBs learn eventually -- to take something off the
> ball and float one in to make it easy for his receivers to catch it. But
> of course in many circumstances, that's just not an option; the
> QB has to fire it in there. These receivers have had way too many
> balls hit them right in the hands or right on the numbers, only to
> drop them. These guys are professionals; they should be able to
> catch anything thrown their way.
I still think we have to factor in that these guys run route after route and
Vick never throws it to them. I think they are just downright surprised
when the ball heads their way.
> What will be interesting to watch after game 16 next week is whether
> Arthur Blank fires Mora and his staff, or if Mora is given a reprieve
> under the condition that he replaces the Offensive Coordinator, Greg
> Knapp. Either approach would be an improvement, and a case could be
> made that firing the entire staff would cause more problems than it
> solves in the short term. Either way, I suspect Knapp is gone at
> year's end.
What about the DC. His defensive scheme calling is horrible. Some of the
players on that defense are amazing; and yet this is IMHO the worst defense
in the history of the NFL. You have Abraham, Milloy, Kerney, Brooking,
Hall, Coleman and Rossum on the same defense and they can't stop anything.
That has to be the coaches, no?
> Speaking of Sean Payton (head coach of the Saints), am I the only one
> who has always thought he's the spittin' image of Lee Harvey Oswald?
Here is something to think about - Sean Payton was born 2 weeks after
Oswald was murdered. Could be he a reincarnation?
> So first he's in Dallas, then he moves to New Orleans, the opposite
> sequence of Mr. Oswald. Hmmmm. Anyone notice Sean Payton handing
> out "Fair Play for Cuba" leaflets recently?
Hey; he's not a patsy......
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