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Date: 23 Mar 2007 15:17:21
From: AKA gray asphalt
Subject: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

It's been 18 years since the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill and ExxonMobil
still has not paid the punitive damages it owes to the victims of the spill.

The oil spill destroyed the livelihoods of thousands of Alaskan fishermen
and others and decimated the wildlife.

Instead of paying what it owes, ExxonMobil has dragged more than 30,000
people through 13 years of litigation by appealing every guilty verdict it's
been given since 1994! During this time 6,000 people have died waiting for
compensation.

Date: 28 Mar 2007 06:41:06
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

>
> > "AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1...@hotmail.spam.com> wrote in message
> >news:CpeOh.79851$ZA5.53105@newsfe15.phx...
>
> >> "MnMikew" <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >>news:56ss19F2aj3poU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> >>> "AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1...@hotmail.spam.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:rd1Oh.91279$Ko5.84054@newsfe08.phx...
>
> >>>> Bless your soul. Free ket greed. The American nighte.
>
> >>> Greed? Looks like good sound investing to me.
>
> >> Of course, sound investing means high returns with little risk usually
> >> contributing nothing to society or as corporate board members see it,
> >> consumers, you know the ones whose boats are raised with the rising tide,
> >> except they are pissed on by those in yachts while they struggle to keep
> >> their rafts afloat.
>
> > One rarely gets high returns with little risk. So corporations contribute
> > nothing to society?
>
> When large corporations have as much influence over the media and the
> government, there is little risk. Halliburton moves to the middle east, the
> savings and loan companies get deregulated, usuary laws are abolished,
> credit card companies can charge penalties that were never done and collect
> from those too timid or careless to contest them, ... I don't want to
> depress anyone, so I'll stop.
>
> Investors usually contribute nothing to society, the way it's done now. IPOs
> for a special few that get special rates. Insider trading that is seldom
> uncovered ... this isn't something I care much about but if I did the list
> would be long, very long.

I don't know who you're talking about when you say "investors," but
the vast majority of investors in this country are regular people like
you and me with money in a 401k or an IRA. If you have one of these,
then you're an investor.

>
> One thing I do care about and as I was thinking today (most investors can
> shove the monetary system up their asses and they and their money can burn
> together at cremation time as far as I'm concerned, but I am worried that
> there isn't enough money to do criminal checks of foster parents or
> investigat cases of child abuse, and that social workers are the victims of
> attacks by those who know that this country won't allow big tax breaks while
> children are being killed, seriously injured, and psychologically damaged
> for life, while big businessmen get severance packages for more money than
> they can ever spend the interest on from companies that many times use phony
> bookkeeping practices such as backdating stock options ... ) You know all
> this stuff and I don't blame you for trying to make enough money to secure
> the lives of you and your family but this is ridiculous and
> maybe be helping to destroy most of the people in this country.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Date: 28 Mar 2007 13:44:16
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On 28 2007 06:41:06 -0700, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote:

>> Investors usually contribute nothing to society, the way it's done now. IPOs
>> for a special few that get special rates. Insider trading that is seldom
>> uncovered ... this isn't something I care much about but if I did the list
>> would be long, very long.
>
>I don't know who you're talking about when you say "investors," but
>the vast majority of investors in this country are regular people like
>you and me with money in a 401k or an IRA. If you have one of these,
>then you're an investor.

And, investors, big and small, provide capital for business to invest.

Date: 28 Mar 2007 13:01:56
From: AKA gray asphalt
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

"Jack Hollis" <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote in message
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> On 28 2007 06:41:06 -0700, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Investors usually contribute nothing to society, the way it's done now.
>>> IPOs
>>> for a special few that get special rates. Insider trading that is seldom
>>> uncovered ... this isn't something I care much about but if I did the
>>> list
>>> would be long, very long.
>>
>>I don't know who you're talking about when you say "investors," but
>>the vast majority of investors in this country are regular people like
>>you and me with money in a 401k or an IRA. If you have one of these,
>>then you're an investor.
>
> And, investors, big and small, provide capital for business to invest.

Corporate greed and that ridiculous corporate mentality depend on the
rationalization that it is moral to look out for the the bottom line, so as
to care for the investors. If there weren't so many layers of beauracracy
between the investors and the actual practices of the business and if
investors had more say in business practices and were informed about what
the corporations were actually doing, and if the criminal corporate shield,
which allows corporations to engage in horrendous acts, eg Union Carbide in
India, ... if the ridiculous corporate shield were repealed, then maybe we
could be spared the corporate white collar atrocities that exist.

As for investors who actually know where their money is and who and what it
is supporting, that is another story.

Date: 28 Mar 2007 06:35:43
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On 27, 5:45 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...@aol.com > wrote:
> On 26 2007 16:54:23 -0700, "John B." <johnb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> If I were Exxon, I'd do my best to pay as little as possible as late
> >> as possible. If the justice system allows that to happen, then I
> >> don't blame Exxon for taking advantage of what the law allows.
>
> >You are clearly an amoral creep.
>
> Rubbish. Exxon has already paid out more than enough. Now they have
> to deal with parasite trial lawyers who attempt to milk as much money
> out of the situation as they can. Trial lawyers, and the people that
> support them, are the amoral creeps.

Well, I guess we all need somebody to hate. You can't hate black
people anymore, at least not openly. Can't hate Jews, Hispanics, gay
people. So, who's left? Trial lawyers! Yeah, that's it! They're all
the same -- greedy bastards who don't care about anything but their
own enrichment.

That's a really intelligent argument, Jack. Please regale us with more
of your insights. We're all better people for them.

Date: 28 Mar 2007 13:42:27
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On 28 2007 06:35:43 -0700, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote:

>Well, I guess we all need somebody to hate. You can't hate black
>people anymore, at least not openly. Can't hate Jews, Hispanics, gay
>people. So, who's left? Trial lawyers! Yeah, that's it! They're all
>the same -- greedy bastards who don't care about anything but their
>own enrichment.

You hate big corporations and I hate trial lawyers. Trial lawyers are
bottom feeders, the lowest form of life.

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Date: 27 Mar 2007 14:28:54
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On 27, 4:25 pm, "S.D." <s...@twomuchspam.com > wrote:
> On Sat, 24 2007 14:04:55 GMT, Bear wrote:
> > I know that the chances are that you live thousands of miles away from
> > there and probably don't care that thousands of birds, fish and
> > mammals died or that coastal communities that rely on the sea for
> > their livelihood were shut down but wtf running a stop sign?!?!?
>
> Bear - your comments are bothersome. Empathy isn't going to help any
> one in Alaska - or help starving and dying wild life in Alaska; or
> elsewhere around the lower US... It's hunters like me and
> hunter/farmers like my friend in NOCA who owns 5 thousand acre farm that
> spends thousands of dollars per year to support and feed wild life.
>
> I would like to hear from all the posters as to their contributions
> other then empathy... That word is worn as a badge by to many doing
> nada.
>
> Oh, I live in SOCA, have spent thousands and live thousands of miles
> away from the animals I help provide funds for.
> --
> Hit'em long and straight:)
> SDig

You're right about empathy being unhelpful to the people of southern
Alaska. What they need is for the perpetrator of the crime that
wreaked environmental havoc on their lives to be a decent,
conscientious corporate citizen and do everything it can to repair the
damage. There are corporations that have a conscience and a sense of
morality. Exxon ain't one of them.

Date: 28 Mar 2007 05:17:54
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On 27--2007, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote:

> What they need is for the perpetrator of the crime that
> wreaked environmental havoc on their lives to be a decent,
> conscientious corporate citizen and do everything it can to repair the
> damage.

As has been repeated Exxon has paid the compensatory damages. This is the
part that is handed down to make the injured party whole, to "repair the
damage."

--
bill-o

A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.

Date: 27 Mar 2007 15:24:55
From: S.D.
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On 27 2007 14:28:54 -0700, John B. wrote:

> What they need is for the perpetrator of the crime that
> wreaked environmental havoc on their lives to be a decent,
> conscientious corporate citizen and do everything it can to repair the
> damage.

"Everything" is nothing short of extreme... as of 12/05 Exxon had paid
over $3 billion in cleanup costs, government settlements, fines and
compensation. Mind you I am not saying they should quit helping, but to
keep spending until all is perfect - will undoubtedly affect Exxon's
ability to spend in other energy areas which could if pushed to a limit
affect the lower states.
Yes, there was a drunk at the helm... I'll even concede others probably
knew of his drinking problem and Exxon should have done something
sooner. But, the surprise overwhelming multi-billion dollar punitive
punishment thrown at Exxon is nothing short of overt reaction like many
other settlements in recent years.

Some interesting reading.
http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.pl?20+Alaska+L.+Rev.+195
--
Hit'em long and straight:)
SDig

Date: 27 Mar 2007 15:21:57
From: S.D.
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On 27 2007 14:28:54 -0700, John B. wrote:

> What they need is for the perpetrator of the crime that
> wreaked environmental havoc on their lives to be a decent,
> conscientious corporate citizen and do everything it can to repair the
> damage.

Another link for further clarification:
http://www.olemiss.edu/orgs/SGLC/MS-AL/Water%20Log/21.4exxon.htm
--
Hit'em long and straight:)
SDig

Date: 27 Mar 2007 15:18:07
From: S.D.
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

Date: 26 Mar 2007 16:54:23
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On 26, 4:58 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...@aol.com > wrote:
> On Mon, 26 2007 08:46:53 -0400, "George Hibbard"
>
>
>
> <g...@perfectimpact.com> wrote:
> >>> Actually, the idea of courts and the appeals process is to administer
> >>> justice. Exxon will pay what the courts order it to pay. The fact that
> >>> this process takes so long has nothing to do with Exxon.
>
> >The fact that the process can be dragged out a long time by lawyers whose
> >mandate is to maximize the return for their clients (cash yet unpaid out
> >earns interest [usage] for the possessor and denies interest [usage] for the
> >eventual beneficiary) is ignored in imagining that "it has nothing to do
> >with Exxon." Of course it does: the tactics used to delay and appeal and
> >make motions and nit-pick is not unlike "churning" by investment managers
> >who are paid the more transactions they create. Lawyers make fortunes by
> >billing excessive hours at unconscionable rates INTENTIONALLY postponing
> >finality, and justice delayed IS, of course, justice denied to those
> >damaged.
>
> If I were Exxon, I'd do my best to pay as little as possible as late
> as possible. If the justice system allows that to happen, then I
> don't blame Exxon for taking advantage of what the law allows.

You are clearly an amoral creep.

Date: 27 Mar 2007 17:45:18
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On 26 2007 16:54:23 -0700, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote:

>> If I were Exxon, I'd do my best to pay as little as possible as late
>> as possible. If the justice system allows that to happen, then I
>> don't blame Exxon for taking advantage of what the law allows.
>
>
>You are clearly an amoral creep.

Rubbish. Exxon has already paid out more than enough. Now they have
to deal with parasite trial lawyers who attempt to milk as much money
out of the situation as they can. Trial lawyers, and the people that
support them, are the amoral creeps.

Date: 26 Mar 2007 10:24:51
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On 26, 12:58 pm, "sfb" <s...@spam.net > wrote:
> The issue is punitive damages. $3 billion in compensatory damages sounds
> like more than the bare minimum.
>
> "John B." <johnb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1174919476.856583.154410@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On 23, 7:42 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 23 2007 15:17:21 -0700, "AKA gray asphalt"
>
> >> <goodidea1...@hotmail.spam.com> wrote:
> >> >Instead of paying what it owes, ExxonMobil has dragged more than 30,000
> >> >people through 13 years of litigation by appealing every guilty verdict
> >> >it's
> >> >been given since 1994! During this time 6,000 people have died waiting
> >> >for
> >> >compensation.
>
> >> Exxon is just doing what any company would do in their position. Why
> >> on earth would a company agree to pay damages before all the appeals
> >> allowed by law have been exhausted? As a stockholder, I support their
> >> efforts completely.
>
> > Because they have a conscience? Exxon has unlimited access to legal
> > representation. The people whose lives it ruined don't. Exxon can just
> > file appeal after appeal, motion after motion, until the plaintiffs
> > run out of money. Exxon has made it clear for more than a decade that
> > it doesn't give a shit about what happened in Alaska. It has done only
> > the bare minimum that's required of it to mitigate the damage.
> > Meanwhile, Lee Raymond retires as CEO, takes a $985 million retirement
> > package with him and complains that he should have gotten more. And
> > you own stock in this company? You should be ashamed.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It sounds like a drop in the bucket compared to the extent of the
devestation and to Exxon's balance sheet.

Date: 26 Mar 2007 07:31:16
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On 23, 7:42 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...@aol.com > wrote:
> On Fri, 23 2007 15:17:21 -0700, "AKA gray asphalt"
>
> <goodidea1...@hotmail.spam.com> wrote:
> >Instead of paying what it owes, ExxonMobil has dragged more than 30,000
> >people through 13 years of litigation by appealing every guilty verdict it's
> >been given since 1994! During this time 6,000 people have died waiting for
> >compensation.
>
> Exxon is just doing what any company would do in their position. Why
> on earth would a company agree to pay damages before all the appeals
> allowed by law have been exhausted? As a stockholder, I support their
> efforts completely.

Because they have a conscience? Exxon has unlimited access to legal
representation. The people whose lives it ruined don't. Exxon can just
file appeal after appeal, motion after motion, until the plaintiffs
run out of money. Exxon has made it clear for more than a decade that
it doesn't give a shit about what happened in Alaska. It has done only
the bare minimum that's required of it to mitigate the damage.
Meanwhile, Lee Raymond retires as CEO, takes a $985 million retirement
package with him and complains that he should have gotten more. And
you own stock in this company? You should be ashamed.

Date: 26 Mar 2007 17:20:27
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On 26 2007 07:31:16 -0700, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote:

>And
>you own stock in this company? You should be ashamed.

I'm ashamed that I didn't buy more. The stock has returned around 14%
a year over the past decade and that doesn't include dividends. When
each of my three kids were born, as soon as they got their SS#s, I
opened a stock account for them and the first thing I bought was
Exxon.

Date: 26 Mar 2007 21:38:18
From: AKA gray asphalt
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

Bless your soul. Free ket greed. The American nighte.

"Jack Hollis" <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote in message
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> On 26 2007 07:31:16 -0700, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>And
>>you own stock in this company? You should be ashamed.
>
> I'm ashamed that I didn't buy more. The stock has returned around 14%
> a year over the past decade and that doesn't include dividends. When
> each of my three kids were born, as soon as they got their SS#s, I
> opened a stock account for them and the first thing I bought was
> Exxon.

Date: 27 Mar 2007 10:37:12
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

"AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com > wrote in message
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>
> Bless your soul. Free ket greed. The American nighte.
>
Greed? Looks like good sound investing to me.

Date: 27 Mar 2007 18:13:32
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On Tue, 27 2007 10:37:12 -0500, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com >
wrote:

>"AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com> wrote in message
>news:rd1Oh.91279$Ko5.84054@newsfe08.phx...
>>
>> Bless your soul. Free ket greed. The American nighte.
>>
>Greed? Looks like good sound investing to me.

Exactly. Back when I ran my consulting business, I did a lot of work
for Exxon. I soon learned that Exxon was being run by people who know
what they're doing. You don't become the industry leader for nothing.
Accordingly, I began to buy Exxon stock and it's been a solid
performer, to say the least. Exxon is no different than any other oil
company only better.

It's as good an investment today as its ever been. My daughter is 6
months old and she own 200 shares. I bought it at 67 and it closed
today at 75. She's made over 12% in less than six months.

Date: 27 Mar 2007 22:12:31
From: AKA gray asphalt
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

"Jack Hollis" <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 27 2007 10:37:12 -0500, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com> wrote in message
>>news:rd1Oh.91279$Ko5.84054@newsfe08.phx...
>>>
>>> Bless your soul. Free ket greed. The American nighte.
>>>
>>Greed? Looks like good sound investing to me.
>
> Exactly. Back when I ran my consulting business, I did a lot of work
> for Exxon. I soon learned that Exxon was being run by people who know
> what they're doing. You don't become the industry leader for nothing.
> Accordingly, I began to buy Exxon stock and it's been a solid
> performer, to say the least. Exxon is no different than any other oil
> company only better.
>
> It's as good an investment today as its ever been. My daughter is 6
> months old and she own 200 shares. I bought it at 67 and it closed
> today at 75. She's made over 12% in less than six months.

God bless us, one and all.

Date: 27 Mar 2007 12:38:42
From: AKA gray asphalt
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

"MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com > wrote in message
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>
> "AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com> wrote in message
> news:rd1Oh.91279$Ko5.84054@newsfe08.phx...
>>
>> Bless your soul. Free ket greed. The American nighte.
>>
> Greed? Looks like good sound investing to me.

Of course, sound investing means high returns with little risk usually
contributing nothing to society or as corporate board members see it,
consumers, you know the ones whose boats are raised with the rising tide,
except they are pissed on by those in yachts while they struggle to keep
their rafts afloat.

Date: 27 Mar 2007 18:17:05
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On Tue, 27 2007 12:38:42 -0700, "AKA gray asphalt"
<goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com > wrote:

>Of course, sound investing means high returns with little risk usually
>contributing nothing to society or as corporate board members see it,
>consumers, you know the ones whose boats are raised with the rising tide,
>except they are pissed on by those in yachts while they struggle to keep
>their rafts afloat.

And none of these boats, big or small, would be going anywhere without
gasoline. Oil is the life blood of industrial society. If you think
that Exxon contributes nothing to society, try doing without petroleum
products.

Date: 27 Mar 2007 22:10:09
From: AKA gray asphalt
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

"Jack Hollis" <xsleeper@aol.com > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 27 2007 12:38:42 -0700, "AKA gray asphalt"
> <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com> wrote:
>
>>Of course, sound investing means high returns with little risk usually
>>contributing nothing to society or as corporate board members see it,
>>consumers, you know the ones whose boats are raised with the rising tide,
>>except they are pissed on by those in yachts while they struggle to keep
>>their rafts afloat.
>
> And none of these boats, big or small, would be going anywhere without
> gasoline. Oil is the life blood of industrial society. If you think
> that Exxon contributes nothing to society, try doing without petroleum
> products.

I said investors, not corporations. At least that's what I meant to say.
General Motors killed the streetcars, apparently, or was it Ford? And the
oil companies killed the electric car, according to reports. Can a
corporation exist without doing some good, no. Does that excuse the bad that
they do, no. Do you think drug companies could sell 1 pill if if id didn't
help one person? That doesn't excuse the high prices and their interferece
with those who want to require medicare to bargain for fair prices. Any
company that figures human life as an expendable comodity on a balance in
terms of what it's going to cost a corporation for every death should be
tried as murderers.

Date: 27 Mar 2007 15:20:17
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

"AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com > wrote in message
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>> "AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> Bless your soul. Free ket greed. The American nighte.
>>>
>> Greed? Looks like good sound investing to me.
>
> Of course, sound investing means high returns with little risk usually
> contributing nothing to society or as corporate board members see it,
> consumers, you know the ones whose boats are raised with the rising tide,
> except they are pissed on by those in yachts while they struggle to keep
> their rafts afloat.
>
One rarely gets high returns with little risk. So corporations contribute
nothing to society?

Date: 27 Mar 2007 22:06:02
From: AKA gray asphalt
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

"MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com > wrote in message
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> "AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com> wrote in message
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>> "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com> wrote in message
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>>> "AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:rd1Oh.91279$Ko5.84054@newsfe08.phx...
>>>>
>>>> Bless your soul. Free ket greed. The American nighte.
>>>>
>>> Greed? Looks like good sound investing to me.
>>
>> Of course, sound investing means high returns with little risk usually
>> contributing nothing to society or as corporate board members see it,
>> consumers, you know the ones whose boats are raised with the rising tide,
>> except they are pissed on by those in yachts while they struggle to keep
>> their rafts afloat.
>>
> One rarely gets high returns with little risk. So corporations contribute
> nothing to society?

When large corporations have as much influence over the media and the
government, there is little risk. Halliburton moves to the middle east, the
savings and loan companies get deregulated, usuary laws are abolished,
credit card companies can charge penalties that were never done and collect
from those too timid or careless to contest them, ... I don't want to
depress anyone, so I'll stop.

Investors usually contribute nothing to society, the way it's done now. IPOs
for a special few that get special rates. Insider trading that is seldom
uncovered ... this isn't something I care much about but if I did the list
would be long, very long.

One thing I do care about and as I was thinking today (most investors can
shove the monetary system up their asses and they and their money can burn
together at cremation time as far as I'm concerned, but I am worried that
there isn't enough money to do criminal checks of foster parents or
investigat cases of child abuse, and that social workers are the victims of
attacks by those who know that this country won't allow big tax breaks while
children are being killed, seriously injured, and psychologically damaged
for life, while big businessmen get severance packages for more money than
they can ever spend the interest on from companies that many times use phony
bookkeeping practices such as backdating stock options ... ) You know all
this stuff and I don't blame you for trying to make enough money to secure
the lives of you and your family but this is ridiculous and
maybe be helping to destroy most of the people in this country.

Date: 29 Mar 2007 05:34:55
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On 28--2007, "AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com > wrote:

> Investors usually contribute nothing to society,

Showing your econ ignorance again.

--
bill-o

A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.

Date: 29 Mar 2007 14:11:01
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On Thu, 29 2007 05:34:55 GMT, "bill-o" <assimilate@borg.org >
wrote:

>> Investors usually contribute nothing to society,
>
>Showing your econ ignorance again.
>
>--
>bill-o

And, he's a top poster to boot.

Date: 26 Mar 2007 17:11:45
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On 26 2007 07:31:16 -0700, "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote:

>Because they have a conscience? Exxon has unlimited access to legal
>representation.

They have in-house lawyers who are paid very well. However, the wont
make nearly as much money as the lawyers representing the plaintiffs.

>The people whose lives it ruined don't.

Not one person represented in the current case before the 9th Circuit
Court of Appeals has ever, or ever will pay a penny in legal fees. The
case is handled on a contingency basis by a group of California
environmental disaster lawyers. If it's a standard deal, the trial
lawyers get one third of the settlement.

Date: 27 Mar 2007 13:09:27
From: S.D.
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On Mon, 26 2007 17:11:45 -0400, Jack Hollis wrote:

> Not one person represented in the current case before the 9th Circuit
> Court of Appeals has ever, or ever will pay a penny in legal fees. The
> case is handled on a contingency basis by a group of California
> environmental disaster lawyers. If it's a standard deal, the trial
> lawyers get one third of the settlement.

Glad you shared that... I was getting tired of reading all the
entitlement comments. You were also right about the plaintiff's
attorney's coming out the real winners:)
--
Hit'em long and straight:)
SDig

Date: 27 Mar 2007 13:27:57
From: S.D.
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On Tue, 27 2007 13:09:27 -0700, S.D. wrote:

> You were also right about the plaintiff's
> attorney's coming out the real winners:)

I forgot to mention; even if they loose intermittently, all costs are
then written off against winnings from other cases. WIN WIN... :)
--
Hit'em long and straight:)
SDig

Date: 26 Mar 2007 12:58:57
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

The issue is punitive damages. $3 billion in compensatory damages sounds
like more than the bare minimum.

"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1174919476.856583.154410@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On 23, 7:42 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 2007 15:17:21 -0700, "AKA gray asphalt"
>>
>> <goodidea1...@hotmail.spam.com> wrote:
>> >Instead of paying what it owes, ExxonMobil has dragged more than 30,000
>> >people through 13 years of litigation by appealing every guilty verdict
>> >it's
>> >been given since 1994! During this time 6,000 people have died waiting
>> >for
>> >compensation.
>>
>> Exxon is just doing what any company would do in their position. Why
>> on earth would a company agree to pay damages before all the appeals
>> allowed by law have been exhausted? As a stockholder, I support their
>> efforts completely.
>
> Because they have a conscience? Exxon has unlimited access to legal
> representation. The people whose lives it ruined don't. Exxon can just
> file appeal after appeal, motion after motion, until the plaintiffs
> run out of money. Exxon has made it clear for more than a decade that
> it doesn't give a shit about what happened in Alaska. It has done only
> the bare minimum that's required of it to mitigate the damage.
> Meanwhile, Lee Raymond retires as CEO, takes a $985 million retirement
> package with him and complains that he should have gotten more. And
> you own stock in this company? You should be ashamed.
>

Date: 26 Mar 2007 10:09:55
From: AKA gray asphalt
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

"sfb" <sfb@spam.net > wrote in message
news:57SdneZFgbxOZprbnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com...
> The issue is punitive damages. $3 billion in compensatory damages sounds
> like more than the bare minimum.

Does anyone have an accounting of where the money went and how much of a
percentage of actual damage was reimbursed?

Date: 26 Mar 2007 13:19:29
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Trustee Council (http://www.evostc.state.ak.us/ ) is
a creature of the federal and state governments that oversees restoring the
ecosystem.

Exxon Mobil's side of the story is here
http://www.exxonmobil.com/corporate/Newsroom/NewsReleases/Corp_NR_Valdez.as

"AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com > wrote in message
news:18TNh.10$EN1.5@newsfe07.phx...
>
> "sfb" <sfb@spam.net> wrote in message
> news:57SdneZFgbxOZprbnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> The issue is punitive damages. $3 billion in compensatory damages sounds
>> like more than the bare minimum.
>
> Does anyone have an accounting of where the money went and how much of a
> percentage of actual damage was reimbursed?
>

Date: 25 Mar 2007 08:59:57
From: norman mailer-daemon
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On 23, 6:17 pm, "AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1...@hotmail.spam.com >
wrote:
> It's been 18 years since the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill and ExxonMobil
> still has not paid the punitive damages it owes to the victims of the spill.
>
> The oil spill destroyed the livelihoods of thousands of Alaskan fishermen
> and others and decimated the wildlife.
>
> Instead of paying what it owes, ExxonMobil has dragged more than 30,000
> people through 13 years of litigation by appealing every guilty verdict it's
> been given since 1994! During this time 6,000 people have died waiting for
> compensation.

Had this happened three years later, you can bet a Clinton Justice
Dep't. would have had this mess cleaned up asap and Exxon would have
paid dearly for it. It would have been a no-brainer.

Unfortunatley it occurred during the "Corporations Are King" Reagan/
Bush era-- which accelerated the decay of this country in countless
ways (and I don't mean just environmentally).

Date: 26 Mar 2007 08:01:08
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

The Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Trustee Council at
http://www.evostc.state.ak.us/History/settlement.cfm

"The settlement among the State of Alaska, the U.S. government and Exxon
was approved by the U.S. District Court on Oct. 9, 1991. It resolved various
criminal charges against Exxon as well as civil claims brought by the
federal and state governments for recovery of natural resource damages
resulting from the spill. The settlement was comprised of criminal and civil
settlements with Exxon, as well as a civil settlement with Alyeska Pipeline
Service Company."

Note the date of October, 1991 which is a month before President Clinton was
first elected and three months before he took office.

Exxon has paid some $3 billion in compensatory damages and clean-up costs.
The issue is punitive damages.

"norman mailer-daemon" <calcio1518@yahoo.com > wrote in message
>
> Had this happened three years later, you can bet a Clinton Justice
> Dep't. would have had this mess cleaned up asap and Exxon would have
> paid dearly for it. It would have been a no-brainer.
>
> Unfortunatley it occurred during the "Corporations Are King" Reagan/
> Bush era-- which accelerated the decay of this country in countless
> ways (and I don't mean just environmentally).
>
>
>
>

Date: 25 Mar 2007 07:56:12
From:
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On 23, 6:54 pm, BAR <scre...@you.com > wrote:
> AKA gray asphalt wrote:
> > It's been 18 years since the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill and ExxonMobil
> > still has not paid the punitive damages it owes to the victims of the spill.
>
> > The oil spill destroyed the livelihoods of thousands of Alaskan fishermen
> > and others and decimated the wildlife.
>
> > Instead of paying what it owes, ExxonMobil has dragged more than 30,000
> > people through 13 years of litigation by appealing every guilty verdict it's
> > been given since 1994! During this time 6,000 people have died waiting for
> > compensation.
>
> Complain to the legislature, they are the only people who can change the
> laws.

Can you say " Blind Trust"?

Date: 25 Mar 2007 07:55:33
From:
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On 23, 8:50 pm, "BigPurdueFan" <bigpu...@aol.com > wrote:
> On 23, 7:42 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 23 2007 15:17:21 -0700, "AKA gray asphalt"
>
> > <goodidea1...@hotmail.spam.com> wrote:
> > >Instead of paying what it owes, ExxonMobil has dragged more than 30,000
> > >people through 13 years of litigation by appealing every guilty verdict it's
> > >been given since 1994! During this time 6,000 people have died waiting for
> > >compensation.
>
> > Exxon is just doing what any company would do in their position. Why
> > on earth would a company agree to pay damages before all the appeals
> > allowed by law have been exhausted? As a stockholder, I support their
> > efforts completely.
>
> Yes, God forbid they should take resposibility for their actions. As
> I human being, I condemn their actions completely.

Oh, big Pud the sTUD...you are a human being?

Date: 24 Mar 2007 07:38:57
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On 24, 8:05 am, "sfb" <s...@spam.net > wrote:
> Exxon took responsibly to the tune of $3 billion dollars.

Which for Exxon is the equivalent of "tip money."

Date: 24 Mar 2007 10:25:03
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

Yeah, but are you enraged enough to trade your SUV for a Schwinn?

Until then, you're still the problem.

Date: 24 Mar 2007 13:56:33
From: A Brick In The Wall
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

"Miss Anne Thrope" <High_Colonic@webtv.net > wrote in message
news:29713-460534BF-19@storefull-3155.bay.webtv.net...
> Yeah, but are you enraged enough to trade your SUV for a Schwinn?
>
> Until then, you're still the problem.
>

If you would shut your trap -- GW would be a thing of the past.

Date: 25 Mar 2007 01:07:39
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On 24--2007, "A Brick In The Wall" <NoSpam@NoThanks.net > wrote:

> > Yeah, but are you enraged enough to trade your SUV for a Schwinn?
> >
> > Until then, you're still the problem.
> >
>
> If you would shut your trap -- GW would be a thing of the past.

talk about giving too much credit!

--
bill-o

A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.

Date: 25 Mar 2007 07:20:45
From: A Brick in the Wall
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

"bill-o" <assimilate@borg.org > wrote in message
news:4605cb57$0$8351$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews.com...
>
> On 24--2007, "A Brick In The Wall" <NoSpam@NoThanks.net> wrote:
>
>> > Yeah, but are you enraged enough to trade your SUV for a Schwinn?
>> >
>> > Until then, you're still the problem.
>> >
>>
>> If you would shut your trap -- GW would be a thing of the past.
>
> talk about giving too much credit!
>

True -- she would have to tighten her spincter also.

> --
> bill-o
>
> A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
> two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.

Date: 25 Mar 2007 11:35:30
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On 25--2007, "A Brick in the Wall" <NoSpam@NoThanks.com > wrote:

> >> > Until then, you're still the problem.
> >> >
> >>
> >> If you would shut your trap -- GW would be a thing of the past.
> >
> > talk about giving too much credit!
> >
>
> True -- she would have to tighten her spincter also.

badda bing

--
bill-o

A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.

Date: 24 Mar 2007 08:04:16
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

The key word in your post is "punitive." Exxon has paid more than $3 billion
for clean-up and compensatory damages.

The 9th Circuit which is by far the most liberal of the Circuit Courts has
thrown put the punitive damages as excessive. If you were sentenced to
prison for life for running a stop sign, would you go docilely to jail or
appeal the sentence as excessive?

"AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com > wrote in message
news:IpYMh.95613$907.88470@newsfe13.phx...
> It's been 18 years since the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill and ExxonMobil
> still has not paid the punitive damages it owes to the victims of the
> spill.
>
> The oil spill destroyed the livelihoods of thousands of Alaskan fishermen
> and others and decimated the wildlife.
>
> Instead of paying what it owes, ExxonMobil has dragged more than 30,000
> people through 13 years of litigation by appealing every guilty verdict
> it's been given since 1994! During this time 6,000 people have died
> waiting for compensation.
>
>

Date: 24 Mar 2007 14:04:55
From: Bear
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On Sat, 24 2007 08:04:16 -0400, "sfb" <sfb@spam.net > wrote:

>The key word in your post is "punitive." Exxon has paid more than $3 billion
>for clean-up and compensatory damages.
>
>The 9th Circuit which is by far the most liberal of the Circuit Courts has
>thrown put the punitive damages as excessive. If you were sentenced to
>prison for life for running a stop sign, would you go docilely to jail or
>appeal the sentence as excessive?

They ran the stop sign while drunk and took out a whole ecosystem. Now
I know that the chances are that you live thousands of miles away from
there and probably don't care that thousands of birds, fish and
mammals died or that coastal communities that rely on the sea for
their livelihood were shut down but wtf running a stop sign?!?!? Here
is hoping a multinational comes and shits in your yard and... fuck
this is off topic and asshats like you aren't worth the time.

>
>"AKA gray asphalt" <goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com> wrote in message
>news:IpYMh.95613$907.88470@newsfe13.phx...
>> It's been 18 years since the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill and ExxonMobil
>> still has not paid the punitive damages it owes to the victims of the
>> spill.
>>
>> The oil spill destroyed the livelihoods of thousands of Alaskan fishermen
>> and others and decimated the wildlife.
>>
>> Instead of paying what it owes, ExxonMobil has dragged more than 30,000
>> people through 13 years of litigation by appealing every guilty verdict
>> it's been given since 1994! During this time 6,000 people have died
>> waiting for compensation.
>>
>>
>

Date: 27 Mar 2007 13:25:06
From: S.D.
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On Sat, 24 2007 14:04:55 GMT, Bear wrote:

> I know that the chances are that you live thousands of miles away from
> there and probably don't care that thousands of birds, fish and
> mammals died or that coastal communities that rely on the sea for
> their livelihood were shut down but wtf running a stop sign?!?!?

Bear - your comments are bothersome. Empathy isn't going to help any
one in Alaska - or help starving and dying wild life in Alaska; or
elsewhere around the lower US... It's hunters like me and
hunter/farmers like my friend in NOCA who owns 5 thousand acre farm that
spends thousands of dollars per year to support and feed wild life.

I would like to hear from all the posters as to their contributions
other then empathy... That word is worn as a badge by to many doing
nada.

Oh, I live in SOCA, have spent thousands and live thousands of miles
away from the animals I help provide funds for.
--
Hit'em long and straight:)
SDig

Date: 27 Mar 2007 23:25:34
From: Bear
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On Tue, 27 2007 13:25:06 -0700, "S.D." <sd@twomuchspam.com > wrote:

>On Sat, 24 2007 14:04:55 GMT, Bear wrote:
>
>> I know that the chances are that you live thousands of miles away from
>> there and probably don't care that thousands of birds, fish and
>> mammals died or that coastal communities that rely on the sea for
>> their livelihood were shut down but wtf running a stop sign?!?!?
>
>Bear - your comments are bothersome. Empathy isn't going to help any
>one in Alaska - or help starving and dying wild life in Alaska; or
>elsewhere around the lower US... It's hunters like me and
>hunter/farmers like my friend in NOCA who owns 5 thousand acre farm that
>spends thousands of dollars per year to support and feed wild life.
>
>I would like to hear from all the posters as to their contributions
>other then empathy... That word is worn as a badge by to many doing
>nada.
>
>Oh, I live in SOCA, have spent thousands and live thousands of miles
>away from the animals I help provide funds for.

I live south of Alaska and north of the rest of the states. I live on
the coast and have the animals in my backyard. You do not buy food to
feed wildlife as wildlife lives in the wild. What animals need for
support is habitat and that around these parts is parks and crown
land. A farm for wildlife?!? Let me guess it is for canned hunts.

Exxon made the mess and Exxon should be responsible for restoring the
area to what it was before they made the mess. If that takes $1 or
many billions that should be the cost of doing business. Why should
there be a cap on cleaning up their mess?

Date: 27 Mar 2007 17:31:07
From: S.D.
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On Tue, 27 2007 23:25:34 GMT, Bear wrote:

> I live south of Alaska and north of the rest of the states. I live on
> the coast and have the animals in my backyard. You do not buy food to
> feed wildlife as wildlife lives in the wild. What animals need for
> support is habitat and that around these parts is parks and crown
> land. A farm for wildlife?!? Let me guess it is for canned hunts.

First - I said nothing insulting to you other then disagree with your
comments; and ask who's actually doing something. I don't like being
called a liar by someone that apparently is unaware of how the wild game
support programs work in his own state - there are plenty such programs
that seek funds to care for game in Alaska; and I know many hunters,
like myself that send large sums to help. Habitats are not what they
use to be. Example - you're living in or on the peripherals of their
feeding area; making it increasing harder for them to find food.

Here's one wildlife center providing care and seeks funds to help.
http://www.farthernorth.com/biggamealaska/alaska_wildlife_center.htm

As for my buddies dairy farm, no hunting; so your sarcastic assumption
was wrong. It's located in an area in NOCA where bear, cats and the
like in their search of food work their way down to lower farm lands and
kill animals. To prevent that and unneeded hunts, many hunters and
farmers setup and deliver food, in some cases to the timberline or
tundra.
--
Hit'em long and straight:)
SDig

Date: 28 Mar 2007 05:16:21
From: Bear
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On Tue, 27 2007 17:31:07 -0700, "S.D." <sd@twomuchspam.com > wrote:

>On Tue, 27 2007 23:25:34 GMT, Bear wrote:
>
>> I live south of Alaska and north of the rest of the states. I live on
>> the coast and have the animals in my backyard. You do not buy food to
>> feed wildlife as wildlife lives in the wild. What animals need for
>> support is habitat and that around these parts is parks and crown
>> land. A farm for wildlife?!? Let me guess it is for canned hunts.
>
>First - I said nothing insulting to you other then disagree with your
>comments; and ask who's actually doing something. I don't like being
>called a liar by someone that apparently is unaware of how the wild game
>support programs work in his own state - there are plenty such programs
>that seek funds to care for game in Alaska; and I know many hunters,
>like myself that send large sums to help. Habitats are not what they
>use to be. Example - you're living in or on the peripherals of their
>feeding area; making it increasing harder for them to find food.

Huh?! what are you babbling about? One I never called you a liar. Two
I don't live in a state. Three the animals around here don't need
feeding as we have lots of the habitat and rehab for animals is not
feeding them it is treating them for problems that in most cases are
caused by man.
>
>Here's one wildlife center providing care and seeks funds to help.
>http://www.farthernorth.com/biggamealaska/alaska_wildlife_center.htm
>
>As for my buddies dairy farm, no hunting; so your sarcastic assumption
>was wrong. It's located in an area in NOCA where bear, cats and the
>like in their search of food work their way down to lower farm lands and
>kill animals. To prevent that and unneeded hunts, many hunters and
>farmers setup and deliver food, in some cases to the timberline or
>tundra.

Didn't realize that California has tundra. What do ya know I learnt
something new.

Date: 28 Mar 2007 10:36:09
From: S.D.
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On Wed, 28 2007 05:16:21 GMT, Bear wrote:

> Two I don't live in a state.

You must be Canadian or live in a territory... nothing further.

--
Hit'em long and straight:)
SDig

Date: 28 Mar 2007 20:12:10
From: Bear
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On Wed, 28 2007 10:36:09 -0700, "S.D." <sd@twomuchspam.com > wrote:

>On Wed, 28 2007 05:16:21 GMT, Bear wrote:
>
>> Two I don't live in a state.
>
>You must be Canadian or live in a territory... nothing further.

Wow what was your first clue. Was it when I wrote "I live south of
Alaska and north of the rest of the states." Now I am pretty sure with
your razor sharp mind you could narrow it down a little more... Canada
or a territory...let see what else I wrote... ahhh here is another
clue that was with the first one "I live on the coast..." Ok lets see
what we have here. Between Alaska and the rest of the states and on
the coast....hmmmm... what do ya figure maybe Puerto Rico or Guam...?
Good to see they teach readin' and ritin' down thar.

Date: 28 Mar 2007 13:44:03
From: S.D.
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On Wed, 28 2007 20:12:10 GMT, Bear wrote:

> Good to see they teach readin' and ritin' down thar.

I had no ider that CA folks coulb be so rud seenz yall liv n out in the
twolies, and a nal to one boot.

Date: 28 Mar 2007 21:17:25
From: Bear
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On Wed, 28 2007 13:44:03 -0700, "S.D." <sd@twomuchspam.com > wrote:

>On Wed, 28 2007 20:12:10 GMT, Bear wrote:
>
>> Good to see they teach readin' and ritin' down thar.
>
>I had no ider that CA folks coulb be so rud seenz yall liv n out in the
>twolies, and a nal to one boot.

Wow you are sooo funny yukyuk....what is with the abbreviations SOCA,
NOCA and CA? And what the fuck is that last bit even suppose to mean,
a nal to one boot?!? Your into anal? with a boot?

As far as being rude whatever. At least you finally figured out what
country I live in... Bravo.

TTFN Gotta go feed all the wild animals so they don't starve...
Bwahahahaa

yeah I know what your abbreviations are but the Southern California
guys I know usually write and say SoCal and well the northern NoCal.

Date: 28 Mar 2007 16:26:31
From: S.D.
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On Wed, 28 2007 21:17:25 GMT, Bear wrote:

> Gotta go feed all the wild animals so they don't starve...

Make sure you don't give them cheerio's... even though bears will chow
down on them:)
--
Hit'em long and straight:)
SDig

Date: 27 Mar 2007 20:30:25
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On Tue, 27 2007 23:25:34 GMT, Bear <bearlysane@XShawX.ca > wrote:

>Exxon made the mess and Exxon should be responsible for restoring the
>area to what it was before they made the mess. If that takes $1 or
>many billions that should be the cost of doing business. Why should
>there be a cap on cleaning up their mess?

None of the current lawsuits pending have anything to do with the
clean up.

Date: 24 Mar 2007 13:51:54
From: David
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

Date: 23 Mar 2007 17:50:58
From: BigPurdueFan
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

Date: 24 Mar 2007 08:05:11
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

Exxon took responsibly to the tune of $3 billion dollars.

"BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1174697458.692149.215210@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On 23, 7:42 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 2007 15:17:21 -0700, "AKA gray asphalt"
>>
>> <goodidea1...@hotmail.spam.com> wrote:
>> >Instead of paying what it owes, ExxonMobil has dragged more than 30,000
>> >people through 13 years of litigation by appealing every guilty verdict
>> >it's
>> >been given since 1994! During this time 6,000 people have died waiting
>> >for
>> >compensation.
>>
>> Exxon is just doing what any company would do in their position. Why
>> on earth would a company agree to pay damages before all the appeals
>> allowed by law have been exhausted? As a stockholder, I support their
>> efforts completely.
>
> Yes, God forbid they should take resposibility for their actions. As
> I human being, I condemn their actions completely.
>
>

Date: 24 Mar 2007 00:27:43
From: A Brick in the Wall
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

"BigPurdueFan" <bigpufan@aol.com > wrote in message
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> On 23, 7:42 pm, Jack Hollis <xslee...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 2007 15:17:21 -0700, "AKA gray asphalt"
>>
>> <goodidea1...@hotmail.spam.com> wrote:
>> >Instead of paying what it owes, ExxonMobil has dragged more than 30,000
>> >people through 13 years of litigation by appealing every guilty verdict
>> >it's
>> >been given since 1994! During this time 6,000 people have died waiting
>> >for
>> >compensation.
>>
>> Exxon is just doing what any company would do in their position. Why
>> on earth would a company agree to pay damages before all the appeals
>> allowed by law have been exhausted? As a stockholder, I support their
>> efforts completely.
>
> Yes, God forbid they should take resposibility for their actions. As
> I human being, I condemn their actions completely.
>
>

Jack does not believe in accountability for his kind -- it is what makes him
what he is. You can fill in that blank.

Date: 23 Mar 2007 19:42:17
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

On Fri, 23 2007 15:17:21 -0700, "AKA gray asphalt"
<goodidea1950@hotmail.spam.com > wrote:

>Instead of paying what it owes, ExxonMobil has dragged more than 30,000
>people through 13 years of litigation by appealing every guilty verdict it's
>been given since 1994! During this time 6,000 people have died waiting for
>compensation.

Exxon is just doing what any company would do in their position. Why
on earth would a company agree to pay damages before all the appeals
allowed by law have been exhausted? As a stockholder, I support their
efforts completely.

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Date: 23 Mar 2007 18:54:59
From: BAR
Subject: Re: Hooray for Exxon. This is what America is all about

AKA gray asphalt wrote:
> It's been 18 years since the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill and ExxonMobil
> still has not paid the punitive damages it owes to the victims of the spill.
>
> The oil spill destroyed the livelihoods of thousands of Alaskan fishermen
> and others and decimated the wildlife.
>
> Instead of paying what it owes, ExxonMobil has dragged more than 30,000
> people through 13 years of litigation by appealing every guilty verdict it's
> been given since 1994! During this time 6,000 people have died waiting for
> compensation.

Complain to the legislature, they are the only people who can change the
laws.