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Date: 24 Jan 2007 05:34:03
From: oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com
Subject: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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Looks like Mr. Harmon was having a bad day and decided to opine
about Mr. Leadbetters pupil. I find his comments about money a
bit interesting in a sport which manages awards based upon a
"money list". The closing line is precious though.
<http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/local/orl-elling2407jan24,0,7855173.column?page=2&coll=orl-sports-headlines >
THE SHORT GAME
Just a Wie bit of criticism
Butch Harmon, for one, has seen enough. In some pointedly caustic
comments published in a U.K. paper, the longtime swing guru and
occasional Sky Sports expert analyst said the charade of Michelle Wie
competing against men needs to end and that her parents need to stop
grabbing at the fast endorsement buck and look at the longer-term
picture.
"The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous," Harmon said. "Michelle has
regressed. She is worse now at 17 than she was at 14. To continue
telling us that she is getting better by playing with the men is an
insult. She says it's a learning experience. What is she learning by
finishing last?
"She should go play with the women and dominate that competition first.
"But the whole Michelle Wie camp is about money. The biggest difference
between Earl [Woods, Tiger Woods' dad] and BJ [Wie, Michelle's dad] is
that Earl didn't worry about money. He knew it was more important for
Tiger to learn to win and then the money would take care of itself. But
Michelle Wie wins nothing.
"You should invite her to the next member-guest competition at your
home club and she might actually win something because what's going on
now is ridiculous."
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Date: 27 Jan 2007 12:59:33
From: Miss Anne Thrope
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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And yet she has more testosterone coursing through her slender body than
Butch has ever produced in his entire life.
He earned the nickname Butch back when he was 10.
Everyone from the neighborhood was sure he would grow up to be a
militant lesbian. In a way they were right.........he's one helluva
golfer.
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Date: 25 Jan 2007 07:28:31
From: oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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On Jan 25, 10:10 am, Zuke <m...@privacy.net > wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, oconn...@slr.orl.lmco.com wrote:
>
> > On Jan 24, 11:07 pm, No Way <n...@way.com> wrote:
> > [snip]
> >> Get a blindman to shoot an arrow at a few targets and probably will
> >> hit one out of every few hundreds shots or so. That's exactly what MW
> >> is trying to achieve. It's pathetic.
>
[snip]
> > And look at the number of "journeymen" that play the
> > tour. Guys who will never win a tournament, or at best
> > one. These are guys that probably miss as many cuts as
> > they make. Guys come off and on the Nationwide so
> > often it makes it obvious that they are just barely
> > capable and really just have good enough "streaks"
> > to get on. Gore and Curtis are two good examples
> > of folks that just barely manage to "shoot enough
> > arrows" once and a bit to keep a card. Anyone believe
> > Curtis would be on the TOUR at all if he didn't
> > stumble upon that Open win?
>
>I wouldn't put Curtis into that category. He's a multi winner on
> tour and I don't think he has reached 30 yet. He came back from
> the pressure of a Cinderella open to actually win again.
[snip]
Without the major win, he'd a never gotten any of the
other wins because he wouldn't have kept his card. I'm
a Curtis "defender" in many ways, but make no mistake,
if he had won the Sony, instead of the Open, he'd most
likely be back on the Nationwide. Give these guys enough
years and they can string together some good weekends.
They're all "blind men shooting arrows" to some extent,
looking to string a few good weekends together. The
only difference between them and Wie is the number
of good weekends they may string together.
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Date: 25 Jan 2007 10:10:18
From: Zuke
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 24, 11:07 pm, No Way <n...@way.com> wrote:
> [snip]
>> Get a blindman to shoot an arrow at a few targets and probably will
>> hit one out of every few hundreds shots or so. That's exactly what MW
>> is trying to achieve. It's pathetic.
>
> In a sense, however, that's pretty much a description of golf, and
> especially TOUR golf in general. Other than Tiger, most folks
> spend decades and win one, maybe two tournaments at all.
> The TOUR philosophy is "you make 90% of your money in
> 10% of your tournaments.". Tiger won what 7? last year?
> They did a graphic on the players for whom that was a career.
> The names were very well known.
>
> And look at the number of "journeymen" that play the
> tour. Guys who will never win a tournament, or at best
> one. These are guys that probably miss as many cuts as
> they make. Guys come off and on the Nationwide so
> often it makes it obvious that they are just barely
> capable and really just have good enough "streaks"
> to get on. Gore and Curtis are two good examples
> of folks that just barely manage to "shoot enough
> arrows" once and a bit to keep a card. Anyone believe
> Curtis would be on the TOUR at all if he didn't
> stumble upon that Open win?
>
>
I wouldn't put Curtis into that category. He's a multi winner on
tour and I don't think he has reached 30 yet. He came back from
the pressure of a Cinderella open to actually win again. I don't
know enough about his game to comment. IS he a guy who just rode
a hot putter to two wins? Is he a solid player who isn't that
great a putter so he can't really get into the top 10 in tourneys
much unless he has a week where he makes his putts. I don't
really remember the weather that week at the Open but I remember
his win last year was delayed constantly by rain. Maybe he's a
mudder.
Curtis interests me, much in the same way as Justin Rose, guys who
popped up pretty young in the British OPen and then were quickly
written off. I think these two guys might have pretty substantial
careers. Maybe equalling one year of Tiger's output in wins and
majors.
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Date: 25 Jan 2007 05:43:46
From: oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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On Jan 24, 11:07 pm, No Way <n...@way.com > wrote:
[snip]
> Get a blindman to shoot an arrow at a few targets and probably will
> hit one out of every few hundreds shots or so. That's exactly what MW
> is trying to achieve. It's pathetic.
In a sense, however, that's pretty much a description of golf, and
especially TOUR golf in general. Other than Tiger, most folks
spend decades and win one, maybe two tournaments at all.
The TOUR philosophy is "you make 90% of your money in
10% of your tournaments.". Tiger won what 7? last year?
They did a graphic on the players for whom that was a career.
The names were very well known.
And look at the number of "journeymen" that play the
tour. Guys who will never win a tournament, or at best
one. These are guys that probably miss as many cuts as
they make. Guys come off and on the Nationwide so
often it makes it obvious that they are just barely
capable and really just have good enough "streaks"
to get on. Gore and Curtis are two good examples
of folks that just barely manage to "shoot enough
arrows" once and a bit to keep a card. Anyone believe
Curtis would be on the TOUR at all if he didn't
stumble upon that Open win?
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Date: 25 Jan 2007 05:31:38
From: SKIPPER
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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No one tells the membership at Augusta National
what to do with their golf tournament.
No one. Not the networks, and certainly
not the PGA tour.
-PA
On Jan 24, 9:53 pm, "sfb" <s...@spam.net > wrote:
> Fortunately, the so-called revoking of automatic invitations which actually
> was neglecting to invite tournament winners when they had previously invited
> the winners is a thing of the past. The PGA Tour told ANGC that the Masters
> would be an invitational in name only with predefined invitation criteria.
> ."SKIPPER" <blakes...@gmail.com> wrote
> > It hasn't been that cold in town in a while...I was bummed I
> > had to wear long sleeves to play last weekend.
>
> > the closest I get to Magnolia Lane is Famous Dave's every
> > Tuesday...you in town too?
>
> > Anyway, the National has been known to revoke automatic invitations to
> > tournament winners before based on arbitrary criteria...of course
> > that is a moot point, she would have to QUALIFY first.
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Date: 25 Jan 2007 11:29:11
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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Sorry to bust your bubble, but after the PGA of America's fiasco at Shoal
Creek, the PGA Tour made sure it was squeaky clean. They insisted that the
so-called invitational's like the Masters have predefined qualifications so
the membership couldn't accidentally forget to invite a minority.
"SKIPPER" <blakestah@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1169731898.364171.247880@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> No one tells the membership at Augusta National
> what to do with their golf tournament.
>
> No one. Not the networks, and certainly
> not the PGA tour.
>
> -PA
>
>
> On Jan 24, 9:53 pm, "sfb" <s...@spam.net> wrote:
>> Fortunately, the so-called revoking of automatic invitations which
>> actually
>> was neglecting to invite tournament winners when they had previously
>> invited
>> the winners is a thing of the past. The PGA Tour told ANGC that the
>> Masters
>> would be an invitational in name only with predefined invitation
>> criteria.
>> ."SKIPPER" <blakes...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> > It hasn't been that cold in town in a while...I was bummed I
>> > had to wear long sleeves to play last weekend.
>>
>> > the closest I get to Magnolia Lane is Famous Dave's every
>> > Tuesday...you in town too?
>>
>> > Anyway, the National has been known to revoke automatic invitations to
>> > tournament winners before based on arbitrary criteria...of course
>> > that is a moot point, she would have to QUALIFY first.
>
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Date: 25 Jan 2007 05:29:54
From: SKIPPER
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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Small world......me too....
In the development across from BiLo
and Zax's off Fury's Ferry Rd.
Also where I play.
Famous Dave's is on Washington near the
Magnolia Lane entrance.
email blakestah AT gmail DOT com
-PA
On Jan 25, 4:51 am, "Da Ringer" <DaRin...@home.net > wrote:
> I live in tinez, Ga (5 miles from the National) and about a month or so
> ago the top of my pool was frozen. The temp in my workshop was 17 degrees.
>
> The water pump froze and had to be thawed out with heat lamps. I would say
> that is cold enough.
>
> Where is Famous Dave's?
>
> Da Ringer
>
> "SKIPPER" <blakes...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1169692996.981444.180430@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > It hasn't been that cold in town in a while...I was bummed I
> > had to wear long sleeves to play last weekend.
>
> > the closest I get to Magnolia Lane is Famous Dave's every
> > Tuesday...you in town too?
>
> > Anyway, the National has been known to revoke automatic invitations to
> > tournament winners before based on arbitrary criteria...of course
> > that is a moot point, she would have to QUALIFY first.
>
> > -PA
>
> > On Jan 24, 4:06 pm, "Da Ringer" <DaRin...@home.net> wrote:
> >> It was 17 degrees here on Magnolia Lane just about a month ago.
>
> >> Is that cold enough?
>
> >> Da Ringer
>
> >> "SKIPPER" <blakes...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> >> > On Jan 24, 12:09 pm, "Cesar Neri" <cesar.n...@ibm.com> wrote:
> >> >> My understanding is that Michelle is the one who wants to play with
> >> >> the
> >> >> men
> >> >> and one of her biggest dreams is to play in the Masters.
>
> >> > It will be a cold day on Magnolia Lane before the members of the
> >> > national will let a circus like that play in their tournament.
>
> >> > -PA
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Date: 24 Jan 2007 18:43:17
From: SKIPPER
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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It hasn't been that cold in town in a while...I was bummed I
had to wear long sleeves to play last weekend.
the closest I get to Magnolia Lane is Famous Dave's every
Tuesday...you in town too?
Anyway, the National has been known to revoke automatic invitations to
tournament winners before based on arbitrary criteria...of course
that is a moot point, she would have to QUALIFY first.
-PA
On Jan 24, 4:06 pm, "Da Ringer" <DaRin...@home.net > wrote:
> It was 17 degrees here on Magnolia Lane just about a month ago.
>
> Is that cold enough?
>
> Da Ringer
>
> "SKIPPER" <blakes...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> > On Jan 24, 12:09 pm, "Cesar Neri" <cesar.n...@ibm.com> wrote:
> >> My understanding is that Michelle is the one who wants to play with the
> >> men
> >> and one of her biggest dreams is to play in the Masters.
>
> > It will be a cold day on Magnolia Lane before the members of the
> > national will let a circus like that play in their tournament.
>
> > -PA
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Date: 25 Jan 2007 04:51:43
From: Da Ringer
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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I live in tinez, Ga (5 miles from the National) and about a month or so
ago the top of my pool was frozen. The temp in my workshop was 17 degrees.
The water pump froze and had to be thawed out with heat lamps. I would say
that is cold enough.
Where is Famous Dave's?
Da Ringer
"SKIPPER" <blakestah@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1169692996.981444.180430@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
>
> It hasn't been that cold in town in a while...I was bummed I
> had to wear long sleeves to play last weekend.
>
> the closest I get to Magnolia Lane is Famous Dave's every
> Tuesday...you in town too?
>
> Anyway, the National has been known to revoke automatic invitations to
> tournament winners before based on arbitrary criteria...of course
> that is a moot point, she would have to QUALIFY first.
>
> -PA
>
> On Jan 24, 4:06 pm, "Da Ringer" <DaRin...@home.net> wrote:
>> It was 17 degrees here on Magnolia Lane just about a month ago.
>>
>> Is that cold enough?
>>
>> Da Ringer
>>
>> "SKIPPER" <blakes...@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>> > On Jan 24, 12:09 pm, "Cesar Neri" <cesar.n...@ibm.com> wrote:
>> >> My understanding is that Michelle is the one who wants to play with
>> >> the
>> >> men
>> >> and one of her biggest dreams is to play in the Masters.
>>
>> > It will be a cold day on Magnolia Lane before the members of the
>> > national will let a circus like that play in their tournament.
>>
>> > -PA
>
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Date: 24 Jan 2007 21:53:21
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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Fortunately, the so-called revoking of automatic invitations which actually
was neglecting to invite tournament winners when they had previously invited
the winners is a thing of the past. The PGA Tour told ANGC that the Masters
would be an invitational in name only with predefined invitation criteria.
.
"SKIPPER" <blakestah@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1169692996.981444.180430@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
>
> It hasn't been that cold in town in a while...I was bummed I
> had to wear long sleeves to play last weekend.
>
> the closest I get to Magnolia Lane is Famous Dave's every
> Tuesday...you in town too?
>
> Anyway, the National has been known to revoke automatic invitations to
> tournament winners before based on arbitrary criteria...of course
> that is a moot point, she would have to QUALIFY first.
>
> -PA
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Date: 24 Jan 2007 13:53:19
From:
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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On Jan 24, 4:18 pm, motofranks...@yahoo.com wrote:
> i think butch speaks the truth..... i am curious as to whether her
> playing with men was instrumental to the huge nike/sony/etc. contracts.
> if it wasn't, then they are fools for doing this "men's tournament"
> charade... and no matter what the contract, i think it has to end right
> now.
This guy has an even weirder idea. Let her play against *old* men:
http://www.worldgolf.com/blogs/golf-for-beginners/2007/01/24/michelle_wie_s_youth_could_help_aging_ch
Uh, no.
I suppose Wie playing against women is just too obvious an idea, huh?
(And don't bring up the 6 event limit the LPGA Tour is holding her to.
There are women's events elsewhere in the world!)
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Date: 24 Jan 2007 13:18:57
From:
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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i think butch speaks the truth..... i am curious as to whether her
playing with men was instrumental to the huge nike/sony/etc. contracts.
if it wasn't, then they are fools for doing this "men's tournament"
charade... and no matter what the contract, i think it has to end right
now.
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Date: 24 Jan 2007 11:12:44
From: SKIPPER
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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On Jan 24, 12:09 pm, "Cesar Neri" <cesar.n...@ibm.com > wrote:
> My understanding is that Michelle is the one who wants to play with the men
> and one of her biggest dreams is to play in the Masters.
It will be a cold day on Magnolia Lane before the members of the
national will let a circus like that play in their tournament.
-PA
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Date: 25 Jan 2007 04:07:36
From: No Way
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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On 24 Jan 2007 11:12:44 -0800, "SKIPPER" <blakestah@gmail.com > wrote:
>On Jan 24, 12:09 pm, "Cesar Neri" <cesar.n...@ibm.com> wrote:
>> My understanding is that Michelle is the one who wants to play with the men
>> and one of her biggest dreams is to play in the Masters.
>
>It will be a cold day on Magnolia Lane before the members of the
>national will let a circus like that play in their tournament.
>
>-PA
I don't think they'll ever need to worry about that. Ever. MW will
never be able to compete among men. I've said this a couple of years
ago and I'll be saying the same 5, 10 years down the road. Harmon,
whatever his motivation or ulterior motive might've been for saying
what he said, is dead on about her.
MW should just give it up trying to play with the men. She should go
to college, play in some tourneys on the LPGA in the meantime and then
play on that tour after she graduates and just forget about competiing
against men. Ever.
Get a blindman to shoot an arrow at a few targets and probably will
hit one out of every few hundreds shots or so. That's exactly what MW
is trying to achieve. It's pathetic.
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Date: 24 Jan 2007 19:06:56
From: Da Ringer
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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It was 17 degrees here on Magnolia Lane just about a month ago.
Is that cold enough?
Da Ringer
"SKIPPER" <blakestah@gmail.com > wrote in message
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>
>
> On Jan 24, 12:09 pm, "Cesar Neri" <cesar.n...@ibm.com> wrote:
>> My understanding is that Michelle is the one who wants to play with the
>> men
>> and one of her biggest dreams is to play in the Masters.
>
> It will be a cold day on Magnolia Lane before the members of the
> national will let a circus like that play in their tournament.
>
> -PA
>
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Date: 24 Jan 2007 12:49:57
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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On 24 Jan 2007 11:12:44 -0800, "SKIPPER" <blakestah@gmail.com > wrote:
>It will be a cold day on Magnolia Lane before the members of the
>national will let a circus like that play in their tournament.
There have been such "cold day's" in the past. If she qualifies,
she's in, if she doesn't she's out - they won't change the rules to
keep her out.
She had a better chance of qualifying as an amateur - but it's hard to
turn down that money.
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Date: 24 Jan 2007 08:43:54
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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On Jan 24, 7:34 am, "oconn...@slr.orl.lmco.com"
<oconn...@slr.orl.lmco.com > wrote:
snippit...
Just making News. Get the Butch Harmon logo out there. No way you could
predict what kind of golfer Wie might become as an adult, or even if
she would want to golf. The money was there, why not take it?
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Date: 24 Jan 2007 17:09:21
From: Cesar Neri
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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<oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com > wrote in message
news:1169645643.932809.225490@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> Looks like Mr. Harmon was having a bad day and decided to opine
> about Mr. Leadbetters pupil. I find his comments about money a
> bit interesting in a sport which manages awards based upon a
> "money list". The closing line is precious though.
>
> <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/local/orl-elling2407jan24,0,7855173.column?page=2&coll=orl-sports-headlines>
> THE SHORT GAME
>
> Just a Wie bit of criticism
>
> Butch Harmon, for one, has seen enough. In some pointedly caustic
> comments published in a U.K. paper, the longtime swing guru and
> occasional Sky Sports expert analyst said the charade of Michelle Wie
> competing against men needs to end and that her parents need to stop
> grabbing at the fast endorsement buck and look at the longer-term
> picture.
>
> "The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous," Harmon said. "Michelle has
> regressed. She is worse now at 17 than she was at 14. To continue
> telling us that she is getting better by playing with the men is an
> insult. She says it's a learning experience. What is she learning by
> finishing last?
>
> "She should go play with the women and dominate that competition first.
>
> "But the whole Michelle Wie camp is about money. The biggest difference
> between Earl [Woods, Tiger Woods' dad] and BJ [Wie, Michelle's dad] is
> that Earl didn't worry about money. He knew it was more important for
> Tiger to learn to win and then the money would take care of itself. But
> Michelle Wie wins nothing.
>
> "You should invite her to the next member-guest competition at your
> home club and she might actually win something because what's going on
> now is ridiculous."
>
My understanding is that Michelle is the one who wants to play with the men
and one of her biggest dreams is to play in the Masters. BJ has not
discouraged that and in fact has said that he is proud that is daughter is
trying to play with the men. The endorsement money would have come even if
she didn't play in men's tournaments, I think, simply because she's phenom.
Harmon's statements is a bit exaggerated I think, perhaps even inaccurate.
BJ is not encourage Michelle to play with the men for endorsement money
because she would have gotten that huge Nike contract even if she didn't
play with the men. Rather, she is just supporting her daughter's dreams of
someday playing in the PGA. Harmon better just stick to watch he knows best;
teaching the golf swing. What does he know about managing golf careers.
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Date: 27 Jan 2007 05:12:18
From: Capt. Courageous
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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No way in hell she gets a big Nike contract unless she was playing against
the men. Otherwise, she would have to prove herself on the ladies tour.
Bottom line - she isn't that good and knows she cant win consistently
anywhere but the junior circuit!
"Cesar Neri" <cesar.nero@ibm.com > wrote in message
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>
> <oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote in message
> news:1169645643.932809.225490@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>> Looks like Mr. Harmon was having a bad day and decided to opine
>> about Mr. Leadbetters pupil. I find his comments about money a
>> bit interesting in a sport which manages awards based upon a
>> "money list". The closing line is precious though.
>>
>> <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/local/orl-elling2407jan24,0,7855173.column?page=2&coll=orl-sports-headlines>
>> THE SHORT GAME
>>
>> Just a Wie bit of criticism
>>
>> Butch Harmon, for one, has seen enough. In some pointedly caustic
>> comments published in a U.K. paper, the longtime swing guru and
>> occasional Sky Sports expert analyst said the charade of Michelle Wie
>> competing against men needs to end and that her parents need to stop
>> grabbing at the fast endorsement buck and look at the longer-term
>> picture.
>>
>> "The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous," Harmon said. "Michelle has
>> regressed. She is worse now at 17 than she was at 14. To continue
>> telling us that she is getting better by playing with the men is an
>> insult. She says it's a learning experience. What is she learning by
>> finishing last?
>>
>> "She should go play with the women and dominate that competition first.
>>
>> "But the whole Michelle Wie camp is about money. The biggest difference
>> between Earl [Woods, Tiger Woods' dad] and BJ [Wie, Michelle's dad] is
>> that Earl didn't worry about money. He knew it was more important for
>> Tiger to learn to win and then the money would take care of itself. But
>> Michelle Wie wins nothing.
>>
>> "You should invite her to the next member-guest competition at your
>> home club and she might actually win something because what's going on
>> now is ridiculous."
>>
>
> My understanding is that Michelle is the one who wants to play with the
> men and one of her biggest dreams is to play in the Masters. BJ has not
> discouraged that and in fact has said that he is proud that is daughter is
> trying to play with the men. The endorsement money would have come even if
> she didn't play in men's tournaments, I think, simply because she's
> phenom. Harmon's statements is a bit exaggerated I think, perhaps even
> inaccurate. BJ is not encourage Michelle to play with the men for
> endorsement money because she would have gotten that huge Nike contract
> even if she didn't play with the men. Rather, she is just supporting her
> daughter's dreams of someday playing in the PGA. Harmon better just stick
> to watch he knows best; teaching the golf swing. What does he know about
> managing golf careers.
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Date: 27 Jan 2007 13:09:01
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 05:12:18 GMT, "Capt. Courageous"
<kcollie820_nospam@earthlink.net > wrote:
>No way in hell she gets a big Nike contract unless she was playing against
>the men. Otherwise, she would have to prove herself on the ladies tour.
>Bottom line - she isn't that good and knows she cant win consistently
>anywhere but the junior circuit!
Right now, that may be true - but her record in Women's majors
indicates otherwise.
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Date: 27 Jan 2007 08:28:28
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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Is there an Internet icon for irony posts? There is no endorsement money on
the women's side. Regardless of Wie's record in women's majors, she would be
grubbing for endorsement nickels if she played the LPGA Tour exclusively.
Give Wie the credit for realizing the endorsement money was on the men's
tour in the good old USA tradition of "Show me the money!"
"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net > wrote in message
news:dqjmr295kcf5b55kr6cpehu1hf23baadf3@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 05:12:18 GMT, "Capt. Courageous"
> <kcollie820_nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>No way in hell she gets a big Nike contract unless she was playing against
>>the men. Otherwise, she would have to prove herself on the ladies tour.
>>Bottom line - she isn't that good and knows she cant win consistently
>>anywhere but the junior circuit!
>
> Right now, that may be true - but her record in Women's majors
> indicates otherwise.
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Date: 27 Jan 2007 19:22:44
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 08:28:28 -0500, "sfb" <sfb@spam.net > wrote:
>Is there an Internet icon for irony posts? There is no endorsement money on
>the women's side. Regardless of Wie's record in women's majors, she would be
>grubbing for endorsement nickels if she played the LPGA Tour exclusively.
>Give Wie the credit for realizing the endorsement money was on the men's
>tour in the good old USA tradition of "Show me the money!"
She wouldn't have gotten $10,000,000 - but she might have competed
with Paula Creamer for a pretty decent endorsement living.
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Date: 27 Jan 2007 15:30:07
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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Name 5 of Creamer's endorsements.
"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net > wrote in message
news:lm9nr21lcj82upoqccibl6i1bb6lddmuam@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 08:28:28 -0500, "sfb" <sfb@spam.net> wrote:
>
>>Is there an Internet icon for irony posts? There is no endorsement money
>>on
>>the women's side. Regardless of Wie's record in women's majors, she would
>>be
>>grubbing for endorsement nickels if she played the LPGA Tour exclusively.
>>Give Wie the credit for realizing the endorsement money was on the men's
>>tour in the good old USA tradition of "Show me the money!"
>
> She wouldn't have gotten $10,000,000 - but she might have competed
> with Paula Creamer for a pretty decent endorsement living.
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Date: 27 Jan 2007 22:04:54
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:30:07 -0500, "sfb" <sfb@spam.net > wrote:
>Name 5 of Creamer's endorsements.
I couldn't name 5 of Wie's endorsements.
Golf Week had a listing of how much golfers made from endorsements and
Paula's income was listed. I don't remember what she earned, but it
was on the first page.
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Date: 24 Jan 2007 08:05:04
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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If you translate what Butchie said it reads, "David Leadbetter has
ruined her. She should come pay me!"
FWIW, I agree with him.
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Date: 24 Jan 2007 18:44:03
From: Carbon
Subject: Re: Bush doubles down-- or, In your face, appeasers
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:58:20 -0800, larry wrote:
> I could give lots of references, but I really don't care whether anyone
> believes anything about me- except that my handicap has gone from
> beginner to 8.0 with a 7.7 trend in only 5 years--and that I started
> golfing when I turned 60. Today I can drive it farther and straighter
> than most-- and ALL who are my age.
You lie so much that everyone naturally believes you're lying about your
game too. You should go to a RSG event and prove all the doubters wrong.
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Date: 24 Jan 2007 09:57:34
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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Cant say I disagree with him...
<oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com > wrote in message
news:1169645643.932809.225490@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> Looks like Mr. Harmon was having a bad day and decided to opine
> about Mr. Leadbetters pupil. I find his comments about money a
> bit interesting in a sport which manages awards based upon a
> "money list". The closing line is precious though.
>
> <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/local/orl-elling2407jan24,0,7855173.column?page=2&coll=orl-sports-headlines>
> THE SHORT GAME
>
> Just a Wie bit of criticism
>
> Butch Harmon, for one, has seen enough. In some pointedly caustic
> comments published in a U.K. paper, the longtime swing guru and
> occasional Sky Sports expert analyst said the charade of Michelle Wie
> competing against men needs to end and that her parents need to stop
> grabbing at the fast endorsement buck and look at the longer-term
> picture.
>
> "The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous," Harmon said. "Michelle has
> regressed. She is worse now at 17 than she was at 14. To continue
> telling us that she is getting better by playing with the men is an
> insult. She says it's a learning experience. What is she learning by
> finishing last?
>
> "She should go play with the women and dominate that competition first.
>
> "But the whole Michelle Wie camp is about money. The biggest difference
> between Earl [Woods, Tiger Woods' dad] and BJ [Wie, Michelle's dad] is
> that Earl didn't worry about money. He knew it was more important for
> Tiger to learn to win and then the money would take care of itself. But
> Michelle Wie wins nothing.
>
> "You should invite her to the next member-guest competition at your
> home club and she might actually win something because what's going on
> now is ridiculous."
>
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Date: 24 Jan 2007 06:12:15
From: oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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On Jan 24, 9:01 am, "sfb" <s...@spam.net > wrote:
> <oconn...@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote in messagenews:1169645643.932809.225490@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> > Looks like Mr. Harmon was having a bad day and decided to opine
> > about Mr. Leadbetters pupil. I find his comments about money a
> > bit interesting in a sport which manages awards based upon a
> > "money list". The closing line is precious though.
>
> > <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/local/orl-elling2407jan24,0,785...>
> > THE SHORT GAME
>
[snip]
> > "But the whole Michelle Wie camp is about money. The biggest difference
> > between Earl [Woods, Tiger Woods' dad] and BJ [Wie, Michelle's dad] is
> > that Earl didn't worry about money. He knew it was more important for
> > Tiger to learn to win and then the money would take care of itself. But
> > Michelle Wie wins nothing.
>
> > "You should invite her to the next member-guest competition at your
> > home club and she might actually win something because what's going on
> > now is ridiculous
>
> Harmon said chasing "endorsement money" not tournament winnings.
[snip]
Yeah, 'cause none of the rest of the players are chasing any
endorsement
money are they? All them Euro tour players are here because of the
level of competition. And Tiger plays in the Deutsche Bank and the
Dubia because of the winners check.
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Date: 24 Jan 2007 09:01:35
From: sfb
Subject: Re: Harmon lets loose on Wie
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Harmon said chasing "endorsement money" not tournament winnings. Harmon is
not the first nor will he be the last that said it strikes a funny note that
a 17 year old with a ton of endorsement money in the bank has done nothing
in men's tournaments.
<oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com > wrote in message
news:1169645643.932809.225490@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> Looks like Mr. Harmon was having a bad day and decided to opine
> about Mr. Leadbetters pupil. I find his comments about money a
> bit interesting in a sport which manages awards based upon a
> "money list". The closing line is precious though.
>
> <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/local/orl-elling2407jan24,0,7855173.column?page=2&coll=orl-sports-headlines>
> THE SHORT GAME
>
> Just a Wie bit of criticism
>
> Butch Harmon, for one, has seen enough. In some pointedly caustic
> comments published in a U.K. paper, the longtime swing guru and
> occasional Sky Sports expert analyst said the charade of Michelle Wie
> competing against men needs to end and that her parents need to stop
> grabbing at the fast endorsement buck and look at the longer-term
> picture.
>
> "The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous," Harmon said. "Michelle has
> regressed. She is worse now at 17 than she was at 14. To continue
> telling us that she is getting better by playing with the men is an
> insult. She says it's a learning experience. What is she learning by
> finishing last?
>
> "She should go play with the women and dominate that competition first.
>
> "But the whole Michelle Wie camp is about money. The biggest difference
> between Earl [Woods, Tiger Woods' dad] and BJ [Wie, Michelle's dad] is
> that Earl didn't worry about money. He knew it was more important for
> Tiger to learn to win and then the money would take care of itself. But
> Michelle Wie wins nothing.
>
> "You should invite her to the next member-guest competition at your
> home club and she might actually win something because what's going on
> now is ridiculous."
>
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