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Date: 18 Mar 2007 23:29:18
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Golfers elbow
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While playing today, I had the darndest pain on the inside of my left
elbow. I started noticing a twinge about the 5th holes, but it finally
got so bad I had to quit playing after 15 holes. Feels like a bruise on
the inside of my elbow, but there is no bruise there.
So what works to alleviate this? And is there something I can use to
help prevent the recurrence?
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 20:05:27
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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On 19, 5:33 pm, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com > wrote:
> In article <568gb7F27mqk...@mid.individual.net>,
> david s-a <dsant...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
> > <snip>
> > > thanks for the suggestions. It still hurts this morning, but not nearly
> > > as much. So I guess the new clubs that should arrive today will only be
> > > admired for a bit while I wait for the pain to go away.
>
> > > This appears to be what I need for inserts??
>
> > >http://www.golfsmith.com/ppage.php?stynum=277V
>
> > > They claim it has little effect on swingweight, I hope that's right.
>
> > A cheap and workable alternative is to use 6-7" lengths of 5/8" diameter
> > 'backer rod''. Insert it inside the shaft to a depth of about 12" from
> > the butt, you will need a length of 1/2" dowel to push it down. There is
> > a degree of back pressure build up while doing this but just persevere,
> > you will get it there eventually.
>
> > 'Backer rod' is a closed cell polyethylene foam rod extrusion sold in
> > hardware stores or concrete supplies stores, and is normally used as a
> > 'back-up' to sealing grout in the expansion gaps of concrete paving.It
> > weighs nothing and at only a few cents a yard it does the golf shaft job
> > perfectly.
>
> > I have fitted literally dozens of steel shafts using this as a vibration
> > absorber, it makes every stroke feel like you are cutting through butter!
>
> > cheers
> > david
>
> Thanks.
>
> I saw somewhere else that you culd use a soda straw wrapped in cheap
> insulating foam strips.
I've heard that the soda straw
is a reasonable copy of the sensicore inserts. One caution - I've
heard that
water can get trapped by the inserts, causing the steel to rust out
under the grips. I think that the soda straw method might breathe
better
than a solid foam plug and be less susceptable to this problem.
I should also say that this is all just second-hand info, I've
never actually done the insert thing - I got graphite.
>
> Of course I would have to replace all the grips I assume?
I assume you probably need to regrip, anyway.
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 22:08:40
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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In article <1174359927.683745.136770@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com >,
"Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On 19, 5:33 pm, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> > In article <568gb7F27mqk...@mid.individual.net>,
> > david s-a <dsant...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> >
> > > <snip>
> > > > thanks for the suggestions. It still hurts this morning, but not nearly
> > > > as much. So I guess the new clubs that should arrive today will only be
> > > > admired for a bit while I wait for the pain to go away.
> >
> > > > This appears to be what I need for inserts??
> >
> > > >http://www.golfsmith.com/ppage.php?stynum=277V
> >
> > > > They claim it has little effect on swingweight, I hope that's right.
> >
> > > A cheap and workable alternative is to use 6-7" lengths of 5/8" diameter
> > > 'backer rod''. Insert it inside the shaft to a depth of about 12" from
> > > the butt, you will need a length of 1/2" dowel to push it down. There is
> > > a degree of back pressure build up while doing this but just persevere,
> > > you will get it there eventually.
> >
> > > 'Backer rod' is a closed cell polyethylene foam rod extrusion sold in
> > > hardware stores or concrete supplies stores, and is normally used as a
> > > 'back-up' to sealing grout in the expansion gaps of concrete paving.It
> > > weighs nothing and at only a few cents a yard it does the golf shaft job
> > > perfectly.
> >
> > > I have fitted literally dozens of steel shafts using this as a vibration
> > > absorber, it makes every stroke feel like you are cutting through butter!
> >
> > > cheers
> > > david
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > I saw somewhere else that you culd use a soda straw wrapped in cheap
> > insulating foam strips.
>
> I've heard that the soda straw
> is a reasonable copy of the sensicore inserts. One caution - I've
> heard that
> water can get trapped by the inserts, causing the steel to rust out
> under the grips. I think that the soda straw method might breathe
> better
> than a solid foam plug and be less susceptable to this problem.
>
> I should also say that this is all just second-hand info, I've
> never actually done the insert thing - I got graphite.
>
> >
> > Of course I would have to replace all the grips I assume?
>
> I assume you probably need to regrip, anyway.
Why would I want to do that? It is springtime and I'm already fully in
my annual 'buy a game' routine! ;-)
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 16:57:40
From:
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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On 19, 6:58 pm, "Tom K" <tkani...@optonline.net > wrote:
> It's called epicondylitis. There's a lateral and a medial form.
>
> http://www.golfers-elbow.com/golferselbow.htmhttp://www.tennis-elbow.net/tenniselbow.htm
>
> You may have either the medial or the lateral. Just because the website
> above uses the terms golf vs. tennis, don't assume that's what you have.
> You need to figure it out based on the location of the pain (thumb side if
> the elbow bone, or pinky side of the elbow bone).
>
> There's a good likelihood that it's from a swing flaw that you just picked
> up, or have had for a while (and it just caught up with you).
>
> After letting it rest for a while, I'd suggest that you take a digital video
> of several swings with different clubs and see if you have something like a
> flying elbow. Why different clubs? Your short club swing may be different
> that your swing with a driver or long iron.
>
> For the next few months you should play with one of those arm bands that
> tighten up near the elbow. I had the same problem (thumb side of the elbow
> bone) last season... and the band helped completely.
>
> http://www.take-care.com/elbo/aircasttennis.html
>
> What it effectively does is shorten the amount of length of the tendon that
> actually stretches. And afterwards (in a few months), keep it in your bag
> permanently. If you start feeling a twinge... put it back on.
>
> --Tom
>
> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote in message
>
> news:lloydparsons-5DC853.23291818032007@individual.net...> While playing today, I had the darndest pain on the inside of my left
> > elbow. I started noticing a twinge about the 5th holes, but it finally
> > got so bad I had to quit playing after 15 holes. Feels like a bruise on
> > the inside of my elbow, but there is no bruise there.
>
> > So what works to alleviate this? And is there something I can use to
> > help prevent the recurrence?
Thanks so much Tom for the links. I'm going to check out this one:
http://www.take-care.com/elbo/aircasttennis.html
I could really use that some days.
Helen
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 18:58:22
From: Tom K
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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It's called epicondylitis. There's a lateral and a medial form.
http://www.golfers-elbow.com/golferselbow.htm
http://www.tennis-elbow.net/tenniselbow.htm
You may have either the medial or the lateral. Just because the website
above uses the terms golf vs. tennis, don't assume that's what you have.
You need to figure it out based on the location of the pain (thumb side if
the elbow bone, or pinky side of the elbow bone).
There's a good likelihood that it's from a swing flaw that you just picked
up, or have had for a while (and it just caught up with you).
After letting it rest for a while, I'd suggest that you take a digital video
of several swings with different clubs and see if you have something like a
flying elbow. Why different clubs? Your short club swing may be different
that your swing with a driver or long iron.
For the next few months you should play with one of those arm bands that
tighten up near the elbow. I had the same problem (thumb side of the elbow
bone) last season... and the band helped completely.
http://www.take-care.com/elbo/aircasttennis.html
What it effectively does is shorten the amount of length of the tendon that
actually stretches. And afterwards (in a few months), keep it in your bag
permanently. If you start feeling a twinge... put it back on.
--Tom
"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com > wrote in message
news:lloydparsons-5DC853.23291818032007@individual.net...
> While playing today, I had the darndest pain on the inside of my left
> elbow. I started noticing a twinge about the 5th holes, but it finally
> got so bad I had to quit playing after 15 holes. Feels like a bruise on
> the inside of my elbow, but there is no bruise there.
>
> So what works to alleviate this? And is there something I can use to
> help prevent the recurrence?
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 18:14:53
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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I've got an elbow brace on now and it is helping quite a bit. I'll be
resting the ol' elbow for awhile and just do some putting and chipping
practice. I need to do that anyway.
I've been changing my swing recently back to a single plane, keeping the
right elbow tucked in. It has been helping both with distance and
control, but the change may be one of the aggravating factors.
And just for info, 'long irons' and me don't get along. Longest I use
right now is a 5. But I carry lots of woods.
In article <fAELh.1124$MX6.66@newsfe12.lga >,
"Tom K" <tkanitra@optonline.net > wrote:
> It's called epicondylitis. There's a lateral and a medial form.
>
> http://www.golfers-elbow.com/golferselbow.htm
> http://www.tennis-elbow.net/tenniselbow.htm
>
> You may have either the medial or the lateral. Just because the website
> above uses the terms golf vs. tennis, don't assume that's what you have.
> You need to figure it out based on the location of the pain (thumb side if
> the elbow bone, or pinky side of the elbow bone).
>
> There's a good likelihood that it's from a swing flaw that you just picked
> up, or have had for a while (and it just caught up with you).
>
> After letting it rest for a while, I'd suggest that you take a digital video
> of several swings with different clubs and see if you have something like a
> flying elbow. Why different clubs? Your short club swing may be different
> that your swing with a driver or long iron.
>
> For the next few months you should play with one of those arm bands that
> tighten up near the elbow. I had the same problem (thumb side of the elbow
> bone) last season... and the band helped completely.
>
> http://www.take-care.com/elbo/aircasttennis.html
>
> What it effectively does is shorten the amount of length of the tendon that
> actually stretches. And afterwards (in a few months), keep it in your bag
> permanently. If you start feeling a twinge... put it back on.
>
> --Tom
>
> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:lloydparsons-5DC853.23291818032007@individual.net...
> > While playing today, I had the darndest pain on the inside of my left
> > elbow. I started noticing a twinge about the 5th holes, but it finally
> > got so bad I had to quit playing after 15 holes. Feels like a bruise on
> > the inside of my elbow, but there is no bruise there.
> >
> > So what works to alleviate this? And is there something I can use to
> > help prevent the recurrence?
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 13:34:19
From:
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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On 19, 4:04 pm, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com > wrote:
> In article <1174331948.042338.187...@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> "dugjustdug" <prestigerea...@yvn.com> wrote:
> > > So what works to alleviate this? And is there something I can use to
> > > help prevent the recurrence?
>
> > I've read some great suggestions here, Lloyd. I am battling it
> > currently - actually since last fall - and I am almost over it. I
> > treated the left elbow nightly with 20 minutes of ice - 20 minutes of
> > rest - and another 20 minutes of ice. It seemed to help and the lack
> > of play this winter didn't hurt either.
>
> > Bottom line is that the long term treatment worked for me. I've
> > played three rounds the last 4 days and any pain was barely noticable
> > - certainly not enough to effect my swing. I do not feel the need to
> > ice it, but, will again should the pain sneak back.
>
> > If I have any "advice", I would try non-invasive things first to see
> > if they work, then, ramp up the treatment/therapy as pain persists or
> > increases. Best o' luck.
>
> > -dug --> who still digs his Louisville Persimmon 5-Wood!
>
> I know there was some great suggestions, but I expected them. This is a
> great resource when the need arises.
>
> I'm doing what you did now. Still painful today, and I can't take
> NSAIDS (like ibuprofen and others) because of other medication I take.
> Tylenol is it!
>
> As to the woods. Well yesterday, prior to the elbow going south, I was
> hitting the driver a solid 200 yds, 10 of 12 driver holes in the
> fairway. All with that small headed Louisville Golf driver with the
> steel shaft! Even hit some really nice, near 200 yd 2nd shots with the
> driver from the deck.
>
> I also just got in the K2 Utility wood. 24 degrees, 4 wood length.
> This is one sweet club! Hit is smoothly and it just flies up off the
> deck, I don't remember a club being any easier than this one. The one
> thing that it doesn't like is trying to kill it, it really punishes you
> for that! ;-))
It's just as well that you can't take NSAIDS because they can be very
harsh on the stomach. Tylenol is easier on the stomach, but too much
is not good either. Especially Extra Strength Tylenol because in time
it's hard on the kidneys. I use the mentholatum rub, ie, Icy Cold,
and gently massage it into the sore area. I also use an elastic
bandage for support and to take stress off the elbow. Some use ice to
reduce the swelling. But don't use the elastic bandage overnight
while you're sleeping. Just keep it warm while you sleep.
Helen
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 13:13:29
From: WW
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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Ibprofin @ least 400 mg. I take it b4 I play a round. I also have a
bag of frozen vegtables that I ice my elbow down with after. Icing it
down helps.
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 12:19:08
From: dugjustdug
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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> So what works to alleviate this? And is there something I can use to
> help prevent the recurrence?
I've read some great suggestions here, Lloyd. I am battling it
currently - actually since last fall - and I am almost over it. I
treated the left elbow nightly with 20 minutes of ice - 20 minutes of
rest - and another 20 minutes of ice. It seemed to help and the lack
of play this winter didn't hurt either.
Bottom line is that the long term treatment worked for me. I've
played three rounds the last 4 days and any pain was barely noticable
- certainly not enough to effect my swing. I do not feel the need to
ice it, but, will again should the pain sneak back.
If I have any "advice", I would try non-invasive things first to see
if they work, then, ramp up the treatment/therapy as pain persists or
increases. Best o' luck.
-dug -- > who still digs his Louisville Persimmon 5-Wood!
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 21:08:58
From: FredK
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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"dugjustdug" <prestigerealty@yvn.com > wrote in message
news:1174331948.042338.187810@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> So what works to alleviate this? And is there something I can use to
>> help prevent the recurrence?
>
> I've read some great suggestions here, Lloyd. I am battling it
> currently - actually since last fall - and I am almost over it. I
> treated the left elbow nightly with 20 minutes of ice - 20 minutes of
> rest - and another 20 minutes of ice. It seemed to help and the lack
> of play this winter didn't hurt either.
>
> Bottom line is that the long term treatment worked for me. I've
> played three rounds the last 4 days and any pain was barely noticable
> - certainly not enough to effect my swing. I do not feel the need to
> ice it, but, will again should the pain sneak back.
>
> If I have any "advice", I would try non-invasive things first to see
> if they work, then, ramp up the treatment/therapy as pain persists or
> increases. Best o' luck.
>
> -dug --> who still digs his Louisville Persimmon 5-Wood!
>
I'll relate what my doctor told me... if I want it to go away on it's own -
it is simply a matter of not using your arm for anything strenuous and not
golfing at all for a while and take advil and put ice on it. Once it
happens it takes time to get better - as much as 6 months or more - because
it is easy to keep re-injuring it.
Ice, advil, rest - no golf and no timeline.
Or you can get a shot that takes a few minutes and will make the problem go
away the rest of the season. Of course, you should also try to figure out
what you are doing that caused the problem and fix it *and* there are
exercises that you can use to help prevent a recurrance. It took me 2 years
worth of shots on my right elbow (both times after a long session at the
range trying to "fix" something) to stop doing whatever caused the problem.
That was years ago now, and I still get twinges - and I avoid long range
sessions trying to "fix" something without a plan.
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 15:04:37
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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In article <1174331948.042338.187810@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com >,
"dugjustdug" <prestigerealty@yvn.com > wrote:
> > So what works to alleviate this? And is there something I can use to
> > help prevent the recurrence?
>
> I've read some great suggestions here, Lloyd. I am battling it
> currently - actually since last fall - and I am almost over it. I
> treated the left elbow nightly with 20 minutes of ice - 20 minutes of
> rest - and another 20 minutes of ice. It seemed to help and the lack
> of play this winter didn't hurt either.
>
> Bottom line is that the long term treatment worked for me. I've
> played three rounds the last 4 days and any pain was barely noticable
> - certainly not enough to effect my swing. I do not feel the need to
> ice it, but, will again should the pain sneak back.
>
> If I have any "advice", I would try non-invasive things first to see
> if they work, then, ramp up the treatment/therapy as pain persists or
> increases. Best o' luck.
>
> -dug --> who still digs his Louisville Persimmon 5-Wood!
I know there was some great suggestions, but I expected them. This is a
great resource when the need arises.
I'm doing what you did now. Still painful today, and I can't take
NSAIDS (like ibuprofen and others) because of other medication I take.
Tylenol is it!
As to the woods. Well yesterday, prior to the elbow going south, I was
hitting the driver a solid 200 yds, 10 of 12 driver holes in the
fairway. All with that small headed Louisville Golf driver with the
steel shaft! Even hit some really nice, near 200 yd 2nd shots with the
driver from the deck.
I also just got in the K2 Utility wood. 24 degrees, 4 wood length.
This is one sweet club! Hit is smoothly and it just flies up off the
deck, I don't remember a club being any easier than this one. The one
thing that it doesn't like is trying to kill it, it really punishes you
for that! ;-))
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 12:13:24
From: dsc
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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On 19, 12:29 am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com > wrote:
> While playing today, I had the darndest pain on the inside of my left
> elbow. I started noticing a twinge about the 5th holes, but it finally
> got so bad I had to quit playing after 15 holes. Feels like a bruise on
> the inside of my elbow, but there is no bruise there.
>
> So what works to alleviate this? And is there something I can use to
> help prevent the recurrence?
The doc gave me Celebrex (I think) and said to not play for a week or
two...
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 15:06:53
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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In article <1174331604.879786.199230@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com >,
"dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu > wrote:
> On 19, 12:29 am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> > While playing today, I had the darndest pain on the inside of my left
> > elbow. I started noticing a twinge about the 5th holes, but it finally
> > got so bad I had to quit playing after 15 holes. Feels like a bruise on
> > the inside of my elbow, but there is no bruise there.
> >
> > So what works to alleviate this? And is there something I can use to
> > help prevent the recurrence?
>
> The doc gave me Celebrex (I think) and said to not play for a week or
> two...
I called the doc today and she said no NSAIDS!! Celebrex is one of
those and so is Ibuprofen. She said Tylenol is my choice because of
other meds I take.
For others, if you take Plavix as I do, NSAIDS counteract the results
that Plavix is designed to do.
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 21:22:02
From: FredK
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com > wrote in message
news:lloydparsons-838185.15065319032007@individual.net...
> In article <1174331604.879786.199230@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> "dsc" <Dudley.Cornman@eku.edu> wrote:
>
>> On 19, 12:29 am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
>> > While playing today, I had the darndest pain on the inside of my left
>> > elbow. I started noticing a twinge about the 5th holes, but it finally
>> > got so bad I had to quit playing after 15 holes. Feels like a bruise
>> > on
>> > the inside of my elbow, but there is no bruise there.
>> >
>> > So what works to alleviate this? And is there something I can use to
>> > help prevent the recurrence?
>>
>> The doc gave me Celebrex (I think) and said to not play for a week or
>> two...
>
> I called the doc today and she said no NSAIDS!! Celebrex is one of
> those and so is Ibuprofen. She said Tylenol is my choice because of
> other meds I take.
>
> For others, if you take Plavix as I do, NSAIDS counteract the results
> that Plavix is designed to do.
You might as well substitute skittles for the tylenol. As an
anti-inflammatory it sucks. It is a crappy pain reliever, and you can kill
yourself if you take too many. Have the doc give you a cortisone shot - it
*is* a steroid (as opposed to a NSAID) and isn't on the list of drug
interactions for Plavix.
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 09:51:47
From: Vinny
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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On 19, 12:29=EF=BF=BDam, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com > wrote:
> While playing today, I had the darndest pain on the inside of my left
> elbow. =A0I started noticing a twinge about the 5th holes, but it finally
> got so bad I had to quit playing after 15 holes. =A0Feels like a bruise on
> the inside of my elbow, but there is no bruise there.
>
> So what works to alleviate this? =A0And is there something I can use to
> help prevent the recurrence?
Lloyd,
I had golfer's elbow on 3 occasions - all of which were attributed
to my playing golf. These 3 instances occured within a 5 year period
for me. I can really sympathize with what your are going through. I
enjoy playing golf and I didn't want to put down the clubs unitl my
elbow healed. Here are my personal recommendations. If you absolutely
refuse to put the clubs down while you heal I would suggest you at
least cut back on your driving range work. Particulary cut back if
you are hitting off rubber mats. Even better, if you can eliminate
mats altogether and confine your practice sessions from a grass/soil
surface this will ceratinly help reduce the amount of vibration that
occurs in the club and is transmitted up your arm. This I feel is very
important to eliminating further occurences as will as exacerbating
you current condition. During this time maybe you can confine your
practice sessions to working on your short game which will really help
your scoring game and reduce the shock and vibration transmitted to
your arm.
Also, I would recommend one of those elbow pads you can purchase
from most golf shops. My experierences using this pad were favorable
in helping to reduce the level of pain I was experiencing during
play.
I would also recommend against using cortisone. From what I have
heard from others, this form of treatment is only a short term fix and
can lead to more permanent problems if it used on a long term basis.
I would recommed searching a web site like WebMD and research this
topic further.
I have not had a relapse of golfer's elbow in 5 years now. I am
100% sure the source of my problem was with a very aggressive swing
from the very top of the swing. I have taken lessons for a few years
which taught me to unlearn my bad agressive swing which was also to
steep, My current swing starts the down swing with a bumping of the
left hip (i'm right-handed) with a simultaneous "dropping" on the arms
and has worked to improve my swing plane and tempo resulting in much
better shot making/ball striking. No longer do I try to muscle the
club down to the ball. My relearned swing even resulted in me hitting
the ball much further than I did previously and I am in more control
and in balance also. So I would certainly suggest you have a
certified PGA pro look over your swing. I believe this will be a long
term solution to the problem with your elbow.
One other suggestion I would recommend is to have you clubs
reshafted and insert them with "Sensicore" inserts which is a
styrafoam-like material which will absorb some of the shock and
vibration that is experienced on the golf club shaft and you arm.
Also have the PGA pro look and see if you swing is too steep. It
might be you are droping the club down to steeply into the ball
resulting in too much vibration of the club head when the club head
contacts the hitting surface.
I believe if you follow this program I suggest you will successly
treat this very painful and annoying injury. The current pain/
discomfort you are currently experincing will eventually go away over
time (6mo+). However, you much take positive steps so that this pain
will never recur. Something in your swing (or practice session) is not
right that is resulting in you condition.
I hope this helps and I wish you success with your treatment (and
golf game)
Regards,
Vinny
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 15:05:15
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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In article <1174323107.208290.155110@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com >,
"Vinny" <hyrdra@aol.com > wrote:
> On 19, 12:29�am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> > While playing today, I had the darndest pain on the inside of my left
> > elbow. I started noticing a twinge about the 5th holes, but it finally
> > got so bad I had to quit playing after 15 holes. Feels like a bruise on
> > the inside of my elbow, but there is no bruise there.
> >
> > So what works to alleviate this? And is there something I can use to
> > help prevent the recurrence?
> Lloyd,
>
> I had golfer's elbow on 3 occasions - all of which were attributed
> to my playing golf. These 3 instances occured within a 5 year period
> for me. I can really sympathize with what your are going through. I
> enjoy playing golf and I didn't want to put down the clubs unitl my
> elbow healed. Here are my personal recommendations. If you absolutely
> refuse to put the clubs down while you heal I would suggest you at
> least cut back on your driving range work. Particulary cut back if
> you are hitting off rubber mats. Even better, if you can eliminate
> mats altogether and confine your practice sessions from a grass/soil
> surface this will ceratinly help reduce the amount of vibration that
> occurs in the club and is transmitted up your arm. This I feel is very
> important to eliminating further occurences as will as exacerbating
> you current condition. During this time maybe you can confine your
> practice sessions to working on your short game which will really help
> your scoring game and reduce the shock and vibration transmitted to
> your arm.
>
> Also, I would recommend one of those elbow pads you can purchase
> from most golf shops. My experierences using this pad were favorable
> in helping to reduce the level of pain I was experiencing during
> play.
>
> I would also recommend against using cortisone. From what I have
> heard from others, this form of treatment is only a short term fix and
> can lead to more permanent problems if it used on a long term basis.
>
> I would recommed searching a web site like WebMD and research this
> topic further.
>
> I have not had a relapse of golfer's elbow in 5 years now. I am
> 100% sure the source of my problem was with a very aggressive swing
> from the very top of the swing. I have taken lessons for a few years
> which taught me to unlearn my bad agressive swing which was also to
> steep, My current swing starts the down swing with a bumping of the
> left hip (i'm right-handed) with a simultaneous "dropping" on the arms
> and has worked to improve my swing plane and tempo resulting in much
> better shot making/ball striking. No longer do I try to muscle the
> club down to the ball. My relearned swing even resulted in me hitting
> the ball much further than I did previously and I am in more control
> and in balance also. So I would certainly suggest you have a
> certified PGA pro look over your swing. I believe this will be a long
> term solution to the problem with your elbow.
>
> One other suggestion I would recommend is to have you clubs
> reshafted and insert them with "Sensicore" inserts which is a
> styrafoam-like material which will absorb some of the shock and
> vibration that is experienced on the golf club shaft and you arm.
> Also have the PGA pro look and see if you swing is too steep. It
> might be you are droping the club down to steeply into the ball
> resulting in too much vibration of the club head when the club head
> contacts the hitting surface.
>
> I believe if you follow this program I suggest you will successly
> treat this very painful and annoying injury. The current pain/
> discomfort you are currently experincing will eventually go away over
> time (6mo+). However, you much take positive steps so that this pain
> will never recur. Something in your swing (or practice session) is not
> right that is resulting in you condition.
>
> I hope this helps and I wish you success with your treatment (and
> golf game)
>
> Regards,
>
> Vinny
Thanks a lot for this write-up, I've printed it 'cause there is so much
good info.
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 08:26:54
From:
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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On 19, 11:02 am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com > wrote:
> In article <1174304421.912326.229...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> helensilverb...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On 19, 12:29 am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> > > While playing today, I had the darndest pain on the inside of my left
> > > elbow. I started noticing a twinge about the 5th holes, but it finally
> > > got so bad I had to quit playing after 15 holes. Feels like a bruise on
> > > the inside of my elbow, but there is no bruise there.
>
> > > So what works to alleviate this? And is there something I can use to
> > > help prevent the recurrence?
>
> > Golfer's elbow usually does not cause any long-term disability.
> > Treatment is rarely surgical, as this condition is well managed with a
> > little rest and proper rehabilitation.
>
> > If golfer's elbow doesn't resolve or if it recurs. With athletes,
> > often a change in technique can resolve the problem. Such as
> > Golf clubs should be sized properly, including grip size. Your swing
> > should be evaluated to ensure you are swinging properly.
>
> > Anti-inflammatory medications are often used to help control pain and
> > inflammation. But they can also be hard on your stomach.
>
> > It's really a form of tendonitis.
>
> > If these measures fail, a steroid (cortisone) injection is another
> > option. If a person has tried more than two cortisone injections
> > without relief, it is unlikely that additional injections will benefit
> > the patient.
>
> > Some simple stretches and exercises can also be helpful in controlling
> > the symptoms of golfer's elbow. My brother has this and it was very
> > troublesome. His doctor recommended he see a physiotherapist and this
> > helped out a great deal. I on the other hand have tennis elbow and it
> > is a pain in the butt! But exercises and one of those elastic support
> > bandages really help. I also find the mentholatum rubs help eleviate
> > the pain, such as Icy Cold or something along that line. When you use
> > this rub, keep the elbow warm so you don't get a chill causing further
> > problems.
> > Helen
>
> If your tennis elbow is causing a pain in the butt, you must be doing
> something wrong! ;-)
>
> Thanks for the reply and information.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
LOL!! :)
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 04:40:21
From:
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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On 19, 12:29 am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com > wrote:
> While playing today, I had the darndest pain on the inside of my left
> elbow. I started noticing a twinge about the 5th holes, but it finally
> got so bad I had to quit playing after 15 holes. Feels like a bruise on
> the inside of my elbow, but there is no bruise there.
>
> So what works to alleviate this? And is there something I can use to
> help prevent the recurrence?
Golfer's elbow usually does not cause any long-term disability.
Treatment is rarely surgical, as this condition is well managed with a
little rest and proper rehabilitation.
If golfer's elbow doesn't resolve or if it recurs. With athletes,
often a change in technique can resolve the problem. Such as
Golf clubs should be sized properly, including grip size. Your swing
should be evaluated to ensure you are swinging properly.
Anti-inflammatory medications are often used to help control pain and
inflammation. But they can also be hard on your stomach.
It's really a form of tendonitis.
If these measures fail, a steroid (cortisone) injection is another
option. If a person has tried more than two cortisone injections
without relief, it is unlikely that additional injections will benefit
the patient.
Some simple stretches and exercises can also be helpful in controlling
the symptoms of golfer's elbow. My brother has this and it was very
troublesome. His doctor recommended he see a physiotherapist and this
helped out a great deal. I on the other hand have tennis elbow and it
is a pain in the butt! But exercises and one of those elastic support
bandages really help. I also find the mentholatum rubs help eleviate
the pain, such as Icy Cold or something along that line. When you use
this rub, keep the elbow warm so you don't get a chill causing further
problems.
Helen
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 10:02:29
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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In article <1174304421.912326.229830@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com >,
helensilverburg@hotmail.com wrote:
> On 19, 12:29 am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> > While playing today, I had the darndest pain on the inside of my left
> > elbow. I started noticing a twinge about the 5th holes, but it finally
> > got so bad I had to quit playing after 15 holes. Feels like a bruise on
> > the inside of my elbow, but there is no bruise there.
> >
> > So what works to alleviate this? And is there something I can use to
> > help prevent the recurrence?
>
> Golfer's elbow usually does not cause any long-term disability.
> Treatment is rarely surgical, as this condition is well managed with a
> little rest and proper rehabilitation.
>
> If golfer's elbow doesn't resolve or if it recurs. With athletes,
> often a change in technique can resolve the problem. Such as
> Golf clubs should be sized properly, including grip size. Your swing
> should be evaluated to ensure you are swinging properly.
>
> Anti-inflammatory medications are often used to help control pain and
> inflammation. But they can also be hard on your stomach.
>
> It's really a form of tendonitis.
>
> If these measures fail, a steroid (cortisone) injection is another
> option. If a person has tried more than two cortisone injections
> without relief, it is unlikely that additional injections will benefit
> the patient.
>
> Some simple stretches and exercises can also be helpful in controlling
> the symptoms of golfer's elbow. My brother has this and it was very
> troublesome. His doctor recommended he see a physiotherapist and this
> helped out a great deal. I on the other hand have tennis elbow and it
> is a pain in the butt! But exercises and one of those elastic support
> bandages really help. I also find the mentholatum rubs help eleviate
> the pain, such as Icy Cold or something along that line. When you use
> this rub, keep the elbow warm so you don't get a chill causing further
> problems.
> Helen
If your tennis elbow is causing a pain in the butt, you must be doing
something wrong! ;-)
Thanks for the reply and information.
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 15:16:00
From: FredK
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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<helensilverburg@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1174304421.912326.229830@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On 19, 12:29 am, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
>> While playing today, I had the darndest pain on the inside of my left
>> elbow. I started noticing a twinge about the 5th holes, but it finally
>> got so bad I had to quit playing after 15 holes. Feels like a bruise on
>> the inside of my elbow, but there is no bruise there.
>>
>> So what works to alleviate this? And is there something I can use to
>> help prevent the recurrence?
>
> Golfer's elbow usually does not cause any long-term disability.
> Treatment is rarely surgical, as this condition is well managed with a
> little rest and proper rehabilitation.
>
> If golfer's elbow doesn't resolve or if it recurs. With athletes,
> often a change in technique can resolve the problem. Such as
> Golf clubs should be sized properly, including grip size. Your swing
> should be evaluated to ensure you are swinging properly.
>
> Anti-inflammatory medications are often used to help control pain and
> inflammation. But they can also be hard on your stomach.
>
> It's really a form of tendonitis.
>
> If these measures fail, a steroid (cortisone) injection is another
> option. If a person has tried more than two cortisone injections
> without relief, it is unlikely that additional injections will benefit
> the patient.
>
> Some simple stretches and exercises can also be helpful in controlling
> the symptoms of golfer's elbow. My brother has this and it was very
> troublesome. His doctor recommended he see a physiotherapist and this
> helped out a great deal. I on the other hand have tennis elbow and it
> is a pain in the butt! But exercises and one of those elastic support
> bandages really help. I also find the mentholatum rubs help eleviate
> the pain, such as Icy Cold or something along that line. When you use
> this rub, keep the elbow warm so you don't get a chill causing further
> problems.
> Helen
>
Ditto. I have had this in both elbows... some flaw in my swing ;-). My
doctor gave me a cortizone injection and after a week (no golf) it felt much
better and I could start playing again. 2-3 weeks later I was pain free
(for about a year). Someone I know who also had this found that a regular
routine of curls with light weights kept it from coming back.
Since I had my clubs lengthened, even a couple hours on the range does not
seem to cause the pain it used to. The longer clubs are helping me to have
a more level swing and a more neutral grip.
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 07:13:12
From: A Brick in the Wall
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com > wrote in message
news:lloydparsons-5DC853.23291818032007@individual.net...
> While playing today, I had the darndest pain on the inside of my left
> elbow. I started noticing a twinge about the 5th holes, but it finally
> got so bad I had to quit playing after 15 holes. Feels like a bruise on
> the inside of my elbow, but there is no bruise there.
>
> So what works to alleviate this? And is there something I can use to
> help prevent the recurrence?
I got this on my left elbow last January -- I slowed down playing for while
& took extra Ibuprofen (sp?).
It still reminds me it's there a year + later -- I think I was lucky ---
since most people are bothered by it more that I was --
It does hurt like Son of a.
Note - a few weeks ago I posted about having elbow bursitis that was
requiring surgery -- it was the RIGHT elbow --- I've had the surgery & am
still in a sling but I'm counting the days to returning to golf. I expect
another week or so.
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 10:09:55
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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In article <45fe3d2c$1_1@newsfeed.slurp.net >,
"A Brick in the Wall" <NoSpam@NoThanks.com > wrote:
> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydparsons@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:lloydparsons-5DC853.23291818032007@individual.net...
> > While playing today, I had the darndest pain on the inside of my left
> > elbow. I started noticing a twinge about the 5th holes, but it finally
> > got so bad I had to quit playing after 15 holes. Feels like a bruise on
> > the inside of my elbow, but there is no bruise there.
> >
> > So what works to alleviate this? And is there something I can use to
> > help prevent the recurrence?
>
> I got this on my left elbow last January -- I slowed down playing for while
> & took extra Ibuprofen (sp?).
>
> It still reminds me it's there a year + later -- I think I was lucky ---
> since most people are bothered by it more that I was --
>
> It does hurt like Son of a.
>
> Note - a few weeks ago I posted about having elbow bursitis that was
> requiring surgery -- it was the RIGHT elbow --- I've had the surgery & am
> still in a sling but I'm counting the days to returning to golf. I expect
> another week or so.
It sure does hurt! I had never had this problem before, but by the
15th, swinging the club hurt like hell. What was really frustrating was
that I was swinging the club better than ever yesterday and was even
finding the long par 5's (that are more like par 6's for me) reachable.
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Date: 18 Mar 2007 22:48:00
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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On 18, 11:29 pm, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com > wrote:
> While playing today, I had the darndest pain on the inside of my left
> elbow. I started noticing a twinge about the 5th holes, but it finally
> got so bad I had to quit playing after 15 holes. Feels like a bruise on
> the inside of my elbow, but there is no bruise there.
>
> So what works to alleviate this? And is there something I can use to
> help prevent the recurrence?
- Quit playing until you are pain free
- There is a band that you can wear - seems to help some
- Look into getting sensicore inserts or graphite shafts
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 10:07:20
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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In article <1174283280.551368.131890@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com >,
"Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On 18, 11:29 pm, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> > While playing today, I had the darndest pain on the inside of my left
> > elbow. I started noticing a twinge about the 5th holes, but it finally
> > got so bad I had to quit playing after 15 holes. Feels like a bruise on
> > the inside of my elbow, but there is no bruise there.
> >
> > So what works to alleviate this? And is there something I can use to
> > help prevent the recurrence?
>
> - Quit playing until you are pain free
> - There is a band that you can wear - seems to help some
> - Look into getting sensicore inserts or graphite shafts
thanks for the suggestions. It still hurts this morning, but not nearly
as much. So I guess the new clubs that should arrive today will only be
admired for a bit while I wait for the pain to go away.
This appears to be what I need for inserts??
http://www.golfsmith.com/ppage.php?stynum=277V
They claim it has little effect on swingweight, I hope that's right.
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Date: 20 Mar 2007 09:14:48
From: david s-a
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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Lloyd Parsons wrote:
<snip >
> thanks for the suggestions. It still hurts this morning, but not nearly
> as much. So I guess the new clubs that should arrive today will only be
> admired for a bit while I wait for the pain to go away.
>
> This appears to be what I need for inserts??
>
> http://www.golfsmith.com/ppage.php?stynum=277V
>
> They claim it has little effect on swingweight, I hope that's right.
A cheap and workable alternative is to use 6-7" lengths of 5/8" diameter
'backer rod''. Insert it inside the shaft to a depth of about 12" from
the butt, you will need a length of 1/2" dowel to push it down. There is
a degree of back pressure build up while doing this but just persevere,
you will get it there eventually.
'Backer rod' is a closed cell polyethylene foam rod extrusion sold in
hardware stores or concrete supplies stores, and is normally used as a
'back-up' to sealing grout in the expansion gaps of concrete paving.It
weighs nothing and at only a few cents a yard it does the golf shaft job
perfectly.
I have fitted literally dozens of steel shafts using this as a vibration
absorber, it makes every stroke feel like you are cutting through butter!
cheers
david
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 17:33:14
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: Golfers elbow
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In article <568gb7F27mqkvU1@mid.individual.net >,
david s-a <dsantwyk@bigpond.net.au > wrote:
> Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > thanks for the suggestions. It still hurts this morning, but not nearly
> > as much. So I guess the new clubs that should arrive today will only be
> > admired for a bit while I wait for the pain to go away.
> >
> > This appears to be what I need for inserts??
> >
> > http://www.golfsmith.com/ppage.php?stynum=277V
> >
> > They claim it has little effect on swingweight, I hope that's right.
>
> A cheap and workable alternative is to use 6-7" lengths of 5/8" diameter
> 'backer rod''. Insert it inside the shaft to a depth of about 12" from
> the butt, you will need a length of 1/2" dowel to push it down. There is
> a degree of back pressure build up while doing this but just persevere,
> you will get it there eventually.
>
> 'Backer rod' is a closed cell polyethylene foam rod extrusion sold in
> hardware stores or concrete supplies stores, and is normally used as a
> 'back-up' to sealing grout in the expansion gaps of concrete paving.It
> weighs nothing and at only a few cents a yard it does the golf shaft job
> perfectly.
>
> I have fitted literally dozens of steel shafts using this as a vibration
> absorber, it makes every stroke feel like you are cutting through butter!
>
> cheers
> david
Thanks.
I saw somewhere else that you could use a soda straw wrapped in cheap
insulating foam strips.
Of course I would have to replace all the grips I assume?
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