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Date: 06 Nov 2006 19:51:31
From: Steve
Subject: Golf swing mechanics question

Sorry about the OT post about golf but was wondering if someone knew of a
good website that showed what the hands and wrists should be doing from the
downswing until after impact or could maybe explain it in detail.

I have seen / heard that you use the wrists like you would if you are
chopping wood or hitting a nail with a hammer but it seems to me that what
really is happening is the wrists do not do much but it is more arms /
forearms rotating.

Date: 28 Dec 2006 19:51:03
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

David Laville wrote:
> On 28 Dec 2006 10:25:12 -0800, "KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >This is one of the best descriptions about hitting vs. swinging that I
> >have ever read. We are very fortunate that such an accomplished
> >golfer, Mr.Laville
>
> You must have me confused with someone else because I'm not the
> accomplished golfer people think I am or should be.

You will be, after you buy some nice looking golf shoes, and beat
Annika. : >

-Greg

Date: 28 Dec 2006 10:25:12
From: KnighT
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

David Laville wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 19:51:31 -0800, "Steve" <steve@bs-s.com> wrote:
>
> >Sorry about the OT post about golf but was wondering if someone knew of a
> >good website that showed what the hands and wrists should be doing from the
> >downswing until after impact or could maybe explain it in detail.
> >
> >I have seen / heard that you use the wrists like you would if you are
> >chopping wood or hitting a nail with a hammer but it seems to me that what
> >really is happening is the wrists do not do much but it is more arms /
> >forearms rotating.
>
> First you have to determine if you swing with your arms (hitting) or
> body (swinging) because the hands and wrist have a different action
> for each.
>
> If you swing with your arms this is a hitters approach. From the top
> the wrist uncock and the hands roll at the same time. It's a long,
> slow and even swivel from the top through impact. These are
> simultaneous motions. When the club is approx. 45* past impact the
> leading edge of the club should be on about a 45 degree angle.
>
> If you swing with your body turn this is a swingers approach. From
> the top your wrist uncock down-plane. This gives the clubhead
> velocity. When the wrist uncock the hands than roll the clubface into
> alignment for impact transferring the velocity into a rolling motion.
> These are sequenced motions. When the club is 45* past impact the
> leading edge of the club should be pointing at the target.
>
>
>
> David Laville, G.S.E.M.
> The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
> TB-8982

This is one of the best descriptions about hitting vs. swinging that I
have ever read. We are very fortunate that such an accomplished
golfer, Mr.Laville, is willing to share his valuable information with
us. Thank you.

I do have a question. Hitters use their arms, while swingers use their
body. Is that a general rule, or is it simply more compatable do move
the club in this manner ?

Date: 29 Dec 2006 02:48:27
From: David Laville
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

On 28 Dec 2006 10:25:12 -0800, "KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com >
wrote:

>
>This is one of the best descriptions about hitting vs. swinging that I
>have ever read. We are very fortunate that such an accomplished
>golfer, Mr.Laville

You must have me confused with someone else because I'm not the
accomplished golfer people think I am or should be.

>I do have a question. Hitters use their arms, while swingers use their
>body. Is that a general rule, or is it simply more compatable do move
>the club in this manner ?

It's more compatible.

David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
TB-8982

Date: 28 Dec 2006 21:16:06
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

"David Laville" <dlaville@worldnet.att.net > wrote in message
news:bf09p21buuo8am3f9mdm91kufbdhier1d0@4ax.com...
> On 28 Dec 2006 10:25:12 -0800, "KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>This is one of the best descriptions about hitting vs. swinging that I
>>have ever read. We are very fortunate that such an accomplished
>>golfer, Mr.Laville
> David Laville, G.S.E.M.
> The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
> TB-8982

I've played with David.
He can play. Very Well.
His best skill is ball striking. It's very pure.

Date: 26 Dec 2006 23:15:19
From: David Laville
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 19:51:31 -0800, "Steve" <steve@bs-s.com > wrote:

>Sorry about the OT post about golf but was wondering if someone knew of a
>good website that showed what the hands and wrists should be doing from the
>downswing until after impact or could maybe explain it in detail.
>
>I have seen / heard that you use the wrists like you would if you are
>chopping wood or hitting a nail with a hammer but it seems to me that what
>really is happening is the wrists do not do much but it is more arms /
>forearms rotating.

First you have to determine if you swing with your arms (hitting) or
body (swinging) because the hands and wrist have a different action
for each.

If you swing with your arms this is a hitters approach. From the top
the wrist uncock and the hands roll at the same time. It's a long,
slow and even swivel from the top through impact. These are
simultaneous motions. When the club is approx. 45* past impact the
leading edge of the club should be on about a 45 degree angle.

If you swing with your body turn this is a swingers approach. From
the top your wrist uncock down-plane. This gives the clubhead
velocity. When the wrist uncock the hands than roll the clubface into
alignment for impact transferring the velocity into a rolling motion.
These are sequenced motions. When the club is 45* past impact the
leading edge of the club should be pointing at the target.

David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
TB-8982

Date: 27 Dec 2006 01:34:29
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

"David Laville" <dlaville@worldnet.att.net > wrote in message
news:v5b3p2ps5v47bq81rr6292urveb94sp62v@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 19:51:31 -0800, "Steve" <steve@bs-s.com> wrote:
>
> >Sorry about the OT post about golf but was wondering if someone knew of a
> >good website that showed what the hands and wrists should be doing from
the
> >downswing until after impact or could maybe explain it in detail.
> >
> >I have seen / heard that you use the wrists like you would if you are
> >chopping wood or hitting a nail with a hammer but it seems to me that
what
> >really is happening is the wrists do not do much but it is more arms /
> >forearms rotating.
>
> First you have to determine if you swing with your arms (hitting) or
> body (swinging) because the hands and wrist have a different action
> for each.
>
> If you swing with your arms this is a hitters approach. From the top
> the wrist uncock and the hands roll at the same time. It's a long,
> slow and even swivel from the top through impact. These are
> simultaneous motions. When the club is approx. 45* past impact the
> leading edge of the club should be on about a 45 degree angle.
>
> If you swing with your body turn this is a swingers approach. From
> the top your wrist uncock down-plane. This gives the clubhead
> velocity. When the wrist uncock the hands than roll the clubface into
> alignment for impact transferring the velocity into a rolling motion.
> These are sequenced motions. When the club is 45* past impact the
> leading edge of the club should be pointing at the target.
>
>
>
> David Laville, G.S.E.M.
> The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
> TB-8982

David, I'm guessing that the above description of a hitters pattern is
correct. However, it sure sounds like a recipe for casting (early uncocking
of the wrists) and OTT (would seem to me that early hand rolling would throw
the clubhead outside). Can you elaborate - thanks.

dave.

Date: 28 Dec 2006 01:42:45
From: David Laville
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 01:34:29 GMT, "Dave Lee"
<DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote:

>David, I'm guessing that the above description of a hitters pattern is
>correct. However, it sure sounds like a recipe for casting (early uncocking
>of the wrists) and OTT (would seem to me that early hand rolling would throw
>the clubhead outside). Can you elaborate - thanks.

Bending and straightening the right arm cocks and uncock's the left
wrist. As the right hand moves away from the right shoulder the right
arm gradually straightens. This will in turn gradually uncock the
left wrist. The left wrist goes from cocked at the top to level at
impact to uncocked at the follow-through. It's not an impatient
throwing from the top.

Hitters use angled hinging which gives a no-roll feel. It also has
the hands moving perpendicular to the plane. Add the slow and even
uncocking of the left wrist and you'll know why I said "It's a long,
slow and even swivel from the top through impact. The hands are
always swinging on plane and as long as they do you can't come over
the top.

David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
TB-8982

Date: 28 Dec 2006 02:56:12
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

"David Laville" <dlaville@worldnet.att.net > wrote in message
news:lc56p2906a5h0poq9en3l2vj26ubs4ps0l@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 01:34:29 GMT, "Dave Lee"
> <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
>
> >David, I'm guessing that the above description of a hitters pattern is
> >correct. However, it sure sounds like a recipe for casting (early
uncocking
> >of the wrists) and OTT (would seem to me that early hand rolling would
throw
> >the clubhead outside). Can you elaborate - thanks.
>
> Bending and straightening the right arm cocks and uncock's the left
> wrist. As the right hand moves away from the right shoulder the right
> arm gradually straightens. This will in turn gradually uncock the
> left wrist. The left wrist goes from cocked at the top to level at
> impact to uncocked at the follow-through. It's not an impatient
> throwing from the top.
>
> Hitters use angled hinging which gives a no-roll feel. It also has
> the hands moving perpendicular to the plane. Add the slow and even
> uncocking of the left wrist and you'll know why I said "It's a long,
> slow and even swivel from the top through impact. The hands are
> always swinging on plane and as long as they do you can't come over
> the top.
>
>
> David Laville, G.S.E.M.
> The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
> TB-8982

Thanks (I think) - actually I gotta go think about what you said.

dave

Date: 24 Dec 2006 17:55:09
From: genio
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

curtjester1@hotmail.com wrote:
> Booker Little wrote:
> > <curtjester1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1163025842.651512.239980@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > Steve wrote:
> > >> Sorry about the OT post about golf but was wondering if someone knew of a
> > >> good website that showed what the hands and wrists should be doing from
> > >> the
> > >> downswing until after impact or could maybe explain it in detail.
> > >>
> > > I have to laugh a little at your OT. Since it is a golf group and many
> > > of the posts are political or whatever, it seems you really are 'OT'.
> > >
> > >> I have seen / heard that you use the wrists like you would if you are
> > >> chopping wood or hitting a nail with a hammer but it seems to me that
> > >> what
> > >> really is happening is the wrists do not do much but it is more arms /
> > >> forearms rotating.
> > >
> > > There to me is so much swing philosophy even with people hitting the
> > > ball well at a high level, that you have to either pay attention to
> > > everything or find something that works well for you and hone that to a
> > > higher level.
> > >
> > > I personally think the wrists and hands are the basic motoring device
> > > of the swing. Some are swinging two-plane and some are one-plane.
> > > Some will push the swing through from the top and all the way through,
> > > and some will try to time an altogether release at some point. tin
> > > Green has a site that explains the pushing aspect, and I suspect many
> > > one plane instructors do so too. A David Leadbetter would probably be
> > > for more of a two-plane drag loading swing.
> > >
> > > Whatever you do, they have to be timed to a precision for a good golf
> > > shot, and when that happens it seems the balance one seeks is right
> > > there or just right behind.
> > >
> > > CJ
> >
> > Oh Good Grief! A blind person trying to explain seeing. LOL.
>
> And ahhh yes, I do recommend the Grip and Rip it for some..-).

A picture speaks a thousand words

_______
http://www.cutswing.com

Date: 08 Nov 2006 16:22:23
From:
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

Booker Little wrote:
> <curtjester1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1163025842.651512.239980@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > Steve wrote:
> >> Sorry about the OT post about golf but was wondering if someone knew of a
> >> good website that showed what the hands and wrists should be doing from
> >> the
> >> downswing until after impact or could maybe explain it in detail.
> >>
> > I have to laugh a little at your OT. Since it is a golf group and many
> > of the posts are political or whatever, it seems you really are 'OT'.
> >
> >> I have seen / heard that you use the wrists like you would if you are
> >> chopping wood or hitting a nail with a hammer but it seems to me that
> >> what
> >> really is happening is the wrists do not do much but it is more arms /
> >> forearms rotating.
> >
> > There to me is so much swing philosophy even with people hitting the
> > ball well at a high level, that you have to either pay attention to
> > everything or find something that works well for you and hone that to a
> > higher level.
> >
> > I personally think the wrists and hands are the basic motoring device
> > of the swing. Some are swinging two-plane and some are one-plane.
> > Some will push the swing through from the top and all the way through,
> > and some will try to time an altogether release at some point. tin
> > Green has a site that explains the pushing aspect, and I suspect many
> > one plane instructors do so too. A David Leadbetter would probably be
> > for more of a two-plane drag loading swing.
> >
> > Whatever you do, they have to be timed to a precision for a good golf
> > shot, and when that happens it seems the balance one seeks is right
> > there or just right behind.
> >
> > CJ
>
> Oh Good Grief! A blind person trying to explain seeing. LOL.

And ahhh yes, I do recommend the Grip and Rip it for some..-).

Date: 08 Nov 2006 14:44:02
From:
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

Steve wrote:
> Sorry about the OT post about golf but was wondering if someone knew of a
> good website that showed what the hands and wrists should be doing from the
> downswing until after impact or could maybe explain it in detail.
>
I have to laugh a little at your OT. Since it is a golf group and many
of the posts are political or whatever, it seems you really are 'OT'.

> I have seen / heard that you use the wrists like you would if you are
> chopping wood or hitting a nail with a hammer but it seems to me that what
> really is happening is the wrists do not do much but it is more arms /
> forearms rotating.

There to me is so much swing philosophy even with people hitting the
ball well at a high level, that you have to either pay attention to
everything or find something that works well for you and hone that to a
higher level.

I personally think the wrists and hands are the basic motoring device
of the swing. Some are swinging two-plane and some are one-plane.
Some will push the swing through from the top and all the way through,
and some will try to time an altogether release at some point. tin
Green has a site that explains the pushing aspect, and I suspect many
one plane instructors do so too. A David Leadbetter would probably be
for more of a two-plane drag loading swing.

Whatever you do, they have to be timed to a precision for a good golf
shot, and when that happens it seems the balance one seeks is right
there or just right behind.

CJ

Date: 26 Dec 2006 23:13:53
From: David Laville
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

On 8 Nov 2006 14:44:02 -0800, curtjester1@hotmail.com wrote:

>There to me is so much swing philosophy even with people hitting the
>ball well at a high level, that you have to either pay attention to
>everything or find something that works well for you and hone that to a
>higher level.

All you have to do is decipher the physics principle behind what they
are doing and the philosophy and mystery disappears.

David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
TB-8982

Date: 08 Nov 2006 15:31:51
From: Booker Little
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

<curtjester1@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1163025842.651512.239980@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Steve wrote:
>> Sorry about the OT post about golf but was wondering if someone knew of a
>> good website that showed what the hands and wrists should be doing from
>> the
>> downswing until after impact or could maybe explain it in detail.
>>
> I have to laugh a little at your OT. Since it is a golf group and many
> of the posts are political or whatever, it seems you really are 'OT'.
>
>> I have seen / heard that you use the wrists like you would if you are
>> chopping wood or hitting a nail with a hammer but it seems to me that
>> what
>> really is happening is the wrists do not do much but it is more arms /
>> forearms rotating.
>
> There to me is so much swing philosophy even with people hitting the
> ball well at a high level, that you have to either pay attention to
> everything or find something that works well for you and hone that to a
> higher level.
>
> I personally think the wrists and hands are the basic motoring device
> of the swing. Some are swinging two-plane and some are one-plane.
> Some will push the swing through from the top and all the way through,
> and some will try to time an altogether release at some point. tin
> Green has a site that explains the pushing aspect, and I suspect many
> one plane instructors do so too. A David Leadbetter would probably be
> for more of a two-plane drag loading swing.
>
> Whatever you do, they have to be timed to a precision for a good golf
> shot, and when that happens it seems the balance one seeks is right
> there or just right behind.
>
> CJ

Oh Good Grief! A blind person trying to explain seeing. LOL.

Date: 08 Nov 2006 08:19:26
From:
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

Date: 08 Nov 2006 00:18:22
From:
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

larry wrote:
> On 7 Nov 2006 10:56:23 -0800, "KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >www.LynnBlakeGolf.com
> >
> >Register there.
> >
> >The best golf website....ever.
> >
> >First download the video in the 'Lynn Blake section' called 'the sounds
> >of silence' - a lesson with Vicki. Then after you watch all 3 parts,
> >download the videos by Tom Tomasello. You should watch them in order,
> >but you can cut straight to the two on hands and arms (one for each).
> >This is a master teaching pro showing you exactly how to perform a
> >flawless golf swing.
> >
> >Then watch all the other vids. They are outstanding. If you are
> >thirsty for more after that then the forum is amazing. Start in the
> >archives, then work from there.
> >
> >babblebro has given a very nice sumy of what the hands, wrists, and
> >arms do during the swing. Basically, bend your right wrist in a level
> >condition (NEVER ALLOW THE RIGHT WRIST TO COCK) and 'freeze' it in this
> >bent position. While the left arm remains straight the bent right
> >wrist causes the left wrist to flatten. If you stick your left arm out
> >straight, with your fingers pointing straight...then your left wrist
> >should be flat. This is the most important part of the golf swing.
> >The flat left wrist gives directional control. From there the left
> >wrist only turns clockwise on the backswing, and rolls counterclockwise
> >on the downswing. Make sure you only hold the club with the last 3
> >fingers of your left hand (this is a pressure point). As babblebro
> >pointed out, the bending right arm causes the left wrist to cock and
> >uncock.
> >
> >The cocking and uncocking of the left wrist is very much a hammer like
> >motion. Just up and down. Practice this with short chip shots using
> >your Wedge. Chipping is the foundation to build your golf swing on.
> >It has proven very effective for my game.
>
> What I salivate for is to play a match against someone who is focused
> on that detail stuff-- for big bucks! Easy pickins! That is the
> very recipe for "paralysis by analysis" doesn't work, can't work, and
> especially doesn't work on the golf course.
>
> I f you want to play well quickly, just relax and swing. Almost the
> most important thing is to grip it "like you would hold a baby bird."
> When your grip is that light you can feel and swing the clubhead--
> like every great champion does. Bobby Jones said he "threw" the
> clubhead through the ball every swing in his career. You can't do
> that while tense or thinking of flat wrists and counterclockwise
> turning, etc. etc.
>
> The diabolical thing about the golf swing is that you can either learn
> to just relax and swing now-- or quit-- or get it later if you persist
> because there is simply no other way to become consistent enough to
> play low handicap golf.
>
> Larry

Well I almost agree with you in a sense. However you have missed the
point. The O.P. asked specifically what the hands and wrists do during
the swing so some of us here tried to provide an answer. In my case I
gave an answer based on over 40+ years of playing golf pretty decently
and sometimes very well indeed (I started when I was 7 y.o.). During
that time I have acquired the ability to feel how every part of my body
is working during the swing. So I described it and added the qualifier
'IMO', since one thing I have learned is that everybody experiences the
swing a bit differently. But if the O.P had asked what I think about
when I am playing golf or swinging the club he would have got a very
different answer because 40+ years of playing, practicing, studying and
learning the game of golf has given me a swing that I don't have to
think much about at all and I am usually more likely to be thinking of
what I am going to have for dinner than swing mechanics when I am
playing golf. But that's not what the O.P. asked.
Rgds
Babbs

Date: 26 Dec 2006 23:13:44
From: David Laville
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

On 8 Nov 2006 00:18:22 -0800, babblebrook1@eircom.net wrote:

>Well I almost agree with you in a sense. However you have missed the
>point. The O.P. asked specifically what the hands and wrists do during
>the swing so some of us here tried to provide an answer. In my case I
>gave an answer based on over 40+ years of playing golf pretty decently
>and sometimes very well indeed (I started when I was 7 y.o.)

The answer you gave came from Lynn Blake's and other Golfing Machine
related forums and really didn't even answer his question.

David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
TB-8982

Date: 07 Nov 2006 20:52:08
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

Steve wrote:
> Sorry about the OT post about golf but was wondering if someone knew
> of a good website that showed what the hands and wrists should be
> doing from the downswing until after impact or could maybe explain it
> in detail.

Actually; if you don't mind blowing $15 then David Ledbetter has some DVD's
available on Amazon that gives you the exact information you seek.

--
___________________________________________________________
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises,
I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it
gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. -- Thomas
Jefferson

Date: 07 Nov 2006 16:48:33
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

steve.baus@gmail.com wrote:
> Just watched it. Had seen it before but did not focus on the wrists.
> It teally, really seems to me that T.W. does not cock and uncock the
> wrists but is simply rotating the forearms.

I noticed the same thing. Absolutely no right wrist cock. Only
movement is what Tomesello describes, namely the flattening of the left
wrist via the rotation of his left forearm.

Another thing that struck me correlates to what TW says about his
backswing. He tries to take the club back on the same plane
throughout. The handle doesn't get ahead of the shaft or vice versa.
Same plane as setup.

Beautiful!

-Greg

Date: 07 Nov 2006 18:28:36
From: David Geesaman
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

Date: 07 Nov 2006 15:46:34
From: Booker Little
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

"David Geesaman" <dgeesamanIHateSpam@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:eir4r40f3s@news2.newsguy.com...
> Steve wrote:
>> Sorry about the OT post about golf but was wondering if someone knew of a
>> good website that showed what the hands and wrists should be doing from
>> the downswing until after impact or could maybe explain it in detail.
>>
>> I have seen / heard that you use the wrists like you would if you are
>> chopping wood or hitting a nail with a hammer but it seems to me that
>> what really is happening is the wrists do not do much but it is more arms
>> / forearms rotating.
>
> Both are happening.
>
> I suggest you investigate this for yourself, since the difficulties of
> describing it in words has put this newgroup in a wad time after time.
> Given how hard some of us have tried to even communicate our ideas, I
> suspect that video or other visual means is the only effective way. It's
> much easier to discuss in person with a golf club to demonstrate.
>
> Be VERY wary of anyone who is convinced their verbal descriptions are
> enough to convey the meaning. It's not that this motion is so
> complicated; its that so many of us simply don't agree on how to say
> things, in ways we don't even realize.
>
> Dave

You are most sensible. A proper coach can only help a student teach
him/herself. Words only confuse that which is really quite simple. He who
truly knows does not speak :-)

Date: 07 Nov 2006 15:22:08
From:
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

Just watched it. Had seen it before but did not focus on the wrists.
It teally, really seems to me that T.W. does not cock and uncock the
wrists but is simply rotating the forearms.

Auddog wrote:
> I don't know if this will help much, but check this out
> http://www.nike.com/nikegolf/swingportrait/index.html - Tiger's slow motion
> swing by Nike.
>
> It will show you so many things that are important to a good golf swing.
> Check out his head, almost no movement. Check out the club head lag,
> wrists still cocked near the bottom of his swing. Notice how his hips
> rotate and then open in correlation to his hands.
>
> Hope this help.
>
> A
>
> www.swingstripe.com
> Can you follow it?
>
>
> "larry" <larry@deldata.com> wrote in message
> news:arn1l2pb66fpnsgtplrgsja1h70gfgsi9h@4ax.com...
> > On 7 Nov 2006 10:56:23 -0800, "KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>www.LynnBlakeGolf.com
> >>
> >>Register there.
> >>
> >>The best golf website....ever.
> >>
> >>First download the video in the 'Lynn Blake section' called 'the sounds
> >>of silence' - a lesson with Vicki. Then after you watch all 3 parts,
> >>download the videos by Tom Tomasello. You should watch them in order,
> >>but you can cut straight to the two on hands and arms (one for each).
> >>This is a master teaching pro showing you exactly how to perform a
> >>flawless golf swing.
> >>
> >>Then watch all the other vids. They are outstanding. If you are
> >>thirsty for more after that then the forum is amazing. Start in the
> >>archives, then work from there.
> >>
> >>babblebro has given a very nice sumy of what the hands, wrists, and
> >>arms do during the swing. Basically, bend your right wrist in a level
> >>condition (NEVER ALLOW THE RIGHT WRIST TO COCK) and 'freeze' it in this
> >>bent position. While the left arm remains straight the bent right
> >>wrist causes the left wrist to flatten. If you stick your left arm out
> >>straight, with your fingers pointing straight...then your left wrist
> >>should be flat. This is the most important part of the golf swing.
> >>The flat left wrist gives directional control. From there the left
> >>wrist only turns clockwise on the backswing, and rolls counterclockwise
> >>on the downswing. Make sure you only hold the club with the last 3
> >>fingers of your left hand (this is a pressure point). As babblebro
> >>pointed out, the bending right arm causes the left wrist to cock and
> >>uncock.
> >>
> >>The cocking and uncocking of the left wrist is very much a hammer like
> >>motion. Just up and down. Practice this with short chip shots using
> >>your Wedge. Chipping is the foundation to build your golf swing on.
> >>It has proven very effective for my game.
> >
> > What I salivate for is to play a match against someone who is focused
> > on that detail stuff-- for big bucks! Easy pickins! That is the
> > very recipe for "paralysis by analysis" doesn't work, can't work, and
> > especially doesn't work on the golf course.
> >
> > I f you want to play well quickly, just relax and swing. Almost the
> > most important thing is to grip it "like you would hold a baby bird."
> > When your grip is that light you can feel and swing the clubhead--
> > like every great champion does. Bobby Jones said he "threw" the
> > clubhead through the ball every swing in his career. You can't do
> > that while tense or thinking of flat wrists and counterclockwise
> > turning, etc. etc.
> >
> > The diabolical thing about the golf swing is that you can either learn
> > to just relax and swing now-- or quit-- or get it later if you persist
> > because there is simply no other way to become consistent enough to
> > play low handicap golf.
> >
> > Larry

Date: 07 Nov 2006 12:50:50
From: KnighT
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

The most important section of the swing is impact. It is imperative
that you reach impact with a flat left wrist.

Booker Little wrote:
> "KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1162925783.084780.188750@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > www.LynnBlakeGolf.com
> >
> > Register there.
> >
> > The best golf website....ever.
> >
> > First download the video in the 'Lynn Blake section' called 'the sounds
> > of silence' - a lesson with Vicki. Then after you watch all 3 parts,
> > download the videos by Tom Tomasello. You should watch them in order,
> > but you can cut straight to the two on hands and arms (one for each).
> > This is a master teaching pro showing you exactly how to perform a
> > flawless golf swing.
> >
> > Then watch all the other vids. They are outstanding. If you are
> > thirsty for more after that then the forum is amazing. Start in the
> > archives, then work from there.
> >
> > babblebro has given a very nice sumy of what the hands, wrists, and
> > arms do during the swing. Basically, bend your right wrist in a level
> > condition (NEVER ALLOW THE RIGHT WRIST TO COCK) and 'freeze' it in this
> > bent position. While the left arm remains straight the bent right
> > wrist causes the left wrist to flatten. If you stick your left arm out
> > straight, with your fingers pointing straight...then your left wrist
> > should be flat. This is the most important part of the golf swing.
> > The flat left wrist gives directional control. From there the left
> > wrist only turns clockwise on the backswing, and rolls counterclockwise
> > on the downswing. Make sure you only hold the club with the last 3
> > fingers of your left hand (this is a pressure point). As babblebro
> > pointed out, the bending right arm causes the left wrist to cock and
> > uncock.
> >
> > The cocking and uncocking of the left wrist is very much a hammer like
> > motion. Just up and down. Practice this with short chip shots using
> > your Wedge. Chipping is the foundation to build your golf swing on.
> > It has proven very effective for my game.
> >
> I suggest you review "Basic Motion" videos and report back. The most
> important part of the golf swing is "impact."

Date: 07 Nov 2006 11:36:15
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

KnighT wrote:
> www.LynnBlakeGolf.com
>
> Register there.
>
> The best golf website....ever.
>
> First download the video in the 'Lynn Blake section' called 'the sounds
> of silence' - a lesson with Vicki. Then after you watch all 3 parts,
> download the videos by Tom Tomasello. You should watch them in order,
> but you can cut straight to the two on hands and arms (one for each).
> This is a master teaching pro showing you exactly how to perform a
> flawless golf swing.
>
> Then watch all the other vids. They are outstanding. If you are
> thirsty for more after that then the forum is amazing. Start in the
> archives, then work from there.
>
> babblebro has given a very nice sumy of what the hands, wrists, and
> arms do during the swing. Basically, bend your right wrist in a level
> condition (NEVER ALLOW THE RIGHT WRIST TO COCK) and 'freeze' it in this
> bent position. While the left arm remains straight the bent right
> wrist causes the left wrist to flatten. If you stick your left arm out
> straight, with your fingers pointing straight...then your left wrist
> should be flat. This is the most important part of the golf swing.
> The flat left wrist gives directional control. From there the left
> wrist only turns clockwise on the backswing, and rolls counterclockwise
> on the downswing. Make sure you only hold the club with the last 3
> fingers of your left hand (this is a pressure point). As babblebro
> pointed out, the bending right arm causes the left wrist to cock and
> uncock.
>
> The cocking and uncocking of the left wrist is very much a hammer like
> motion. Just up and down. Practice this with short chip shots using
> your Wedge. Chipping is the foundation to build your golf swing on.
> It has proven very effective for my game.

Excellent post. Thoroughly enjoyed the Tomasello video, especially his
explanation of the left inert arm. Only problem I have is that I can't
practice it. It rained 4 inches yesterday, a record, and more is on
the way.

Maybe July.....

-Greg

Date: 07 Nov 2006 10:56:23
From: KnighT
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

www.LynnBlakeGolf.com

Register there.

The best golf website....ever.

First download the video in the 'Lynn Blake section' called 'the sounds
of silence' - a lesson with Vicki. Then after you watch all 3 parts,
download the videos by Tom Tomasello. You should watch them in order,
but you can cut straight to the two on hands and arms (one for each).
This is a master teaching pro showing you exactly how to perform a
flawless golf swing.

Then watch all the other vids. They are outstanding. If you are
thirsty for more after that then the forum is amazing. Start in the
archives, then work from there.

babblebro has given a very nice sumy of what the hands, wrists, and
arms do during the swing. Basically, bend your right wrist in a level
condition (NEVER ALLOW THE RIGHT WRIST TO COCK) and 'freeze' it in this
bent position. While the left arm remains straight the bent right
wrist causes the left wrist to flatten. If you stick your left arm out
straight, with your fingers pointing straight...then your left wrist
should be flat. This is the most important part of the golf swing.
The flat left wrist gives directional control. From there the left
wrist only turns clockwise on the backswing, and rolls counterclockwise
on the downswing. Make sure you only hold the club with the last 3
fingers of your left hand (this is a pressure point). As babblebro
pointed out, the bending right arm causes the left wrist to cock and
uncock.

The cocking and uncocking of the left wrist is very much a hammer like
motion. Just up and down. Practice this with short chip shots using
your Wedge. Chipping is the foundation to build your golf swing on.
It has proven very effective for my game.

Date: 07 Nov 2006 11:25:23
From: Booker Little
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

"KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1162925783.084780.188750@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> www.LynnBlakeGolf.com
>
> Register there.
>
> The best golf website....ever.
>
> First download the video in the 'Lynn Blake section' called 'the sounds
> of silence' - a lesson with Vicki. Then after you watch all 3 parts,
> download the videos by Tom Tomasello. You should watch them in order,
> but you can cut straight to the two on hands and arms (one for each).
> This is a master teaching pro showing you exactly how to perform a
> flawless golf swing.
>
> Then watch all the other vids. They are outstanding. If you are
> thirsty for more after that then the forum is amazing. Start in the
> archives, then work from there.
>
> babblebro has given a very nice sumy of what the hands, wrists, and
> arms do during the swing. Basically, bend your right wrist in a level
> condition (NEVER ALLOW THE RIGHT WRIST TO COCK) and 'freeze' it in this
> bent position. While the left arm remains straight the bent right
> wrist causes the left wrist to flatten. If you stick your left arm out
> straight, with your fingers pointing straight...then your left wrist
> should be flat. This is the most important part of the golf swing.
> The flat left wrist gives directional control. From there the left
> wrist only turns clockwise on the backswing, and rolls counterclockwise
> on the downswing. Make sure you only hold the club with the last 3
> fingers of your left hand (this is a pressure point). As babblebro
> pointed out, the bending right arm causes the left wrist to cock and
> uncock.
>
> The cocking and uncocking of the left wrist is very much a hammer like
> motion. Just up and down. Practice this with short chip shots using
> your Wedge. Chipping is the foundation to build your golf swing on.
> It has proven very effective for my game.
>
I suggest you review "Basic Motion" videos and report back. The most
important part of the golf swing is "impact."

Date: 07 Nov 2006 11:41:12
From: larry
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

On 7 Nov 2006 10:56:23 -0800, "KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com > wrote:

>www.LynnBlakeGolf.com
>
>Register there.
>
>The best golf website....ever.
>
>First download the video in the 'Lynn Blake section' called 'the sounds
>of silence' - a lesson with Vicki. Then after you watch all 3 parts,
>download the videos by Tom Tomasello. You should watch them in order,
>but you can cut straight to the two on hands and arms (one for each).
>This is a master teaching pro showing you exactly how to perform a
>flawless golf swing.
>
>Then watch all the other vids. They are outstanding. If you are
>thirsty for more after that then the forum is amazing. Start in the
>archives, then work from there.
>
>babblebro has given a very nice sumy of what the hands, wrists, and
>arms do during the swing. Basically, bend your right wrist in a level
>condition (NEVER ALLOW THE RIGHT WRIST TO COCK) and 'freeze' it in this
>bent position. While the left arm remains straight the bent right
>wrist causes the left wrist to flatten. If you stick your left arm out
>straight, with your fingers pointing straight...then your left wrist
>should be flat. This is the most important part of the golf swing.
>The flat left wrist gives directional control. From there the left
>wrist only turns clockwise on the backswing, and rolls counterclockwise
>on the downswing. Make sure you only hold the club with the last 3
>fingers of your left hand (this is a pressure point). As babblebro
>pointed out, the bending right arm causes the left wrist to cock and
>uncock.
>
>The cocking and uncocking of the left wrist is very much a hammer like
>motion. Just up and down. Practice this with short chip shots using
>your Wedge. Chipping is the foundation to build your golf swing on.
>It has proven very effective for my game.

What I salivate for is to play a match against someone who is focused
on that detail stuff-- for big bucks! Easy pickins! That is the
very recipe for "paralysis by analysis" doesn't work, can't work, and
especially doesn't work on the golf course.

I f you want to play well quickly, just relax and swing. Almost the
most important thing is to grip it "like you would hold a baby bird."
When your grip is that light you can feel and swing the clubhead--
like every great champion does. Bobby Jones said he "threw" the
clubhead through the ball every swing in his career. You can't do
that while tense or thinking of flat wrists and counterclockwise
turning, etc. etc.

The diabolical thing about the golf swing is that you can either learn
to just relax and swing now-- or quit-- or get it later if you persist
because there is simply no other way to become consistent enough to
play low handicap golf.

Larry

Date: 08 Nov 2006 00:51:02
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

In article <arn1l2pb66fpnsgtplrgsja1h70gfgsi9h@4ax.com >,
larry <larry@deldata.com > wrote:

> On 7 Nov 2006 10:56:23 -0800, "KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >www.LynnBlakeGolf.com
> >
> >Register there.
> >
> >The best golf website....ever.
> >
> >First download the video in the 'Lynn Blake section' called 'the sounds
> >of silence' - a lesson with Vicki. Then after you watch all 3 parts,
> >download the videos by Tom Tomasello. You should watch them in order,
> >but you can cut straight to the two on hands and arms (one for each).
> >This is a master teaching pro showing you exactly how to perform a
> >flawless golf swing.
> >
> >Then watch all the other vids. They are outstanding. If you are
> >thirsty for more after that then the forum is amazing. Start in the
> >archives, then work from there.
> >
> >babblebro has given a very nice sumy of what the hands, wrists, and
> >arms do during the swing. Basically, bend your right wrist in a level
> >condition (NEVER ALLOW THE RIGHT WRIST TO COCK) and 'freeze' it in this
> >bent position. While the left arm remains straight the bent right
> >wrist causes the left wrist to flatten. If you stick your left arm out
> >straight, with your fingers pointing straight...then your left wrist
> >should be flat. This is the most important part of the golf swing.
> >The flat left wrist gives directional control. From there the left
> >wrist only turns clockwise on the backswing, and rolls counterclockwise
> >on the downswing. Make sure you only hold the club with the last 3
> >fingers of your left hand (this is a pressure point). As babblebro
> >pointed out, the bending right arm causes the left wrist to cock and
> >uncock.
> >
> >The cocking and uncocking of the left wrist is very much a hammer like
> >motion. Just up and down. Practice this with short chip shots using
> >your Wedge. Chipping is the foundation to build your golf swing on.
> >It has proven very effective for my game.
>
> What I salivate for is to play a match against someone who is focused
> on that detail stuff-- for big bucks! Easy pickins! That is the
> very recipe for "paralysis by analysis" doesn't work, can't work, and
> especially doesn't work on the golf course.
>
> I f you want to play well quickly, just relax and swing. Almost the
> most important thing is to grip it "like you would hold a baby bird."
> When your grip is that light you can feel and swing the clubhead--
> like every great champion does. Bobby Jones said he "threw" the
> clubhead through the ball every swing in his career. You can't do
> that while tense or thinking of flat wrists and counterclockwise
> turning, etc. etc.
>
> The diabolical thing about the golf swing is that you can either learn
> to just relax and swing now-- or quit-- or get it later if you persist
> because there is simply no other way to become consistent enough to
> play low handicap golf.
>
> Larry

Riiiiiiight. Because good golfers never focus on elements of their
mechanics...

...except the vast majority of the PGA Tour...

...and LPGA Tour...

...and Nationwide (or whatever it's called this year)...

...etc.

Focussing on elements of ones athletic movements is how you get better.
You focus on the largest elements first and then as those get better and
better, you focus on progressively smaller elements. It's often helpful
to have a good instructor aid you in this process, because often what
feels large and important to us is not what actually needs to have our
focus, but nevertheless, focussing on elements of the golf swing is only
natural and correct.

What's funny is that the guy who has spent more time telling us about
the "one thing" -- the changed once every couple of weeks latest "one
thing", that is -- now claims he knows that we need not focus on
anything except what *he* claims is important.

Well let me tell you, Larry: I've seen your swing, and it sucks rocks.

--
'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.'
"It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix'
(Edwin on Mac OS X)

'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)

Date: 07 Nov 2006 19:53:59
From: Auddog
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

I don't know if this will help much, but check this out
http://www.nike.com/nikegolf/swingportrait/index.html - Tiger's slow motion
swing by Nike.

It will show you so many things that are important to a good golf swing.
Check out his head, almost no movement. Check out the club head lag,
wrists still cocked near the bottom of his swing. Notice how his hips
rotate and then open in correlation to his hands.

Hope this help.

A

www.swingstripe.com
Can you follow it?

"larry" <larry@deldata.com > wrote in message
news:arn1l2pb66fpnsgtplrgsja1h70gfgsi9h@4ax.com...
> On 7 Nov 2006 10:56:23 -0800, "KnighT" <bryanjunk777@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>www.LynnBlakeGolf.com
>>
>>Register there.
>>
>>The best golf website....ever.
>>
>>First download the video in the 'Lynn Blake section' called 'the sounds
>>of silence' - a lesson with Vicki. Then after you watch all 3 parts,
>>download the videos by Tom Tomasello. You should watch them in order,
>>but you can cut straight to the two on hands and arms (one for each).
>>This is a master teaching pro showing you exactly how to perform a
>>flawless golf swing.
>>
>>Then watch all the other vids. They are outstanding. If you are
>>thirsty for more after that then the forum is amazing. Start in the
>>archives, then work from there.
>>
>>babblebro has given a very nice sumy of what the hands, wrists, and
>>arms do during the swing. Basically, bend your right wrist in a level
>>condition (NEVER ALLOW THE RIGHT WRIST TO COCK) and 'freeze' it in this
>>bent position. While the left arm remains straight the bent right
>>wrist causes the left wrist to flatten. If you stick your left arm out
>>straight, with your fingers pointing straight...then your left wrist
>>should be flat. This is the most important part of the golf swing.
>>The flat left wrist gives directional control. From there the left
>>wrist only turns clockwise on the backswing, and rolls counterclockwise
>>on the downswing. Make sure you only hold the club with the last 3
>>fingers of your left hand (this is a pressure point). As babblebro
>>pointed out, the bending right arm causes the left wrist to cock and
>>uncock.
>>
>>The cocking and uncocking of the left wrist is very much a hammer like
>>motion. Just up and down. Practice this with short chip shots using
>>your Wedge. Chipping is the foundation to build your golf swing on.
>>It has proven very effective for my game.
>
> What I salivate for is to play a match against someone who is focused
> on that detail stuff-- for big bucks! Easy pickins! That is the
> very recipe for "paralysis by analysis" doesn't work, can't work, and
> especially doesn't work on the golf course.
>
> I f you want to play well quickly, just relax and swing. Almost the
> most important thing is to grip it "like you would hold a baby bird."
> When your grip is that light you can feel and swing the clubhead--
> like every great champion does. Bobby Jones said he "threw" the
> clubhead through the ball every swing in his career. You can't do
> that while tense or thinking of flat wrists and counterclockwise
> turning, etc. etc.
>
> The diabolical thing about the golf swing is that you can either learn
> to just relax and swing now-- or quit-- or get it later if you persist
> because there is simply no other way to become consistent enough to
> play low handicap golf.
>
> Larry

Date: 07 Nov 2006 06:40:37
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

"Steve" <steve@bs-s.com > wrote in message
news:57CdnQPUIKFfn83YnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
> Sorry about the OT post about golf but was wondering if someone knew of a
> good website that showed what the hands and wrists should be doing from
> the downswing until after impact or could maybe explain it in detail.
>
> I have seen / heard that you use the wrists like you would if you are
> chopping wood or hitting a nail with a hammer but it seems to me that what
> really is happening is the wrists do not do much but it is more arms /
> forearms rotating.
>
If you have a good top of the swing position, then you are in perfect impact
alignment for hands and wrists. The left wrist will uncock some prior to
impact.

Date: 07 Nov 2006 03:30:56
From:
Subject: Re: Golf swing mechanics question

Steve wrote:
> Sorry about the OT post about golf but was wondering if someone knew of a
> good website that showed what the hands and wrists should be doing from the
> downswing until after impact or could maybe explain it in detail.
>
> I have seen / heard that you use the wrists like you would if you are
> chopping wood or hitting a nail with a hammer but it seems to me that what
> really is happening is the wrists do not do much but it is more arms /
> forearms rotating.

Don't know of a good site but I'll have a bash. IMO, most of what the
hands and wrists do is a consequence of what the arms do. As you turn
back and forth your right arm folds and unfolds whilst keeping your
left arm straight (your arms also go up and down a bit obviously). And
because the right hand is attached to the clubshaft below the left hand
this causes the left wrist to cock and uncock up and down providing you
keep your right elbow pointed downward as most good players do. It
also makes the left wrist rotate a small amount back and forth and
that's really the only rotation of the wrist that is necessary in the
swing. The other thing that must happen as part of this same motion is
that the left wrist will naturally flatten and right wrist will bend
backward during the backswing. It is important to try to maintain this
flat left wrist/hinged back right wrist position during the downswing
all the way to impact if you can. So the left wrist still uncocks as a
result of the straightening right arm, but the right wrist remains
hinged back at least somewhat all the way to impact. This is important
for achieving a good impact position with the hands leading the
clubhead (AKA 'clubhead lag') and is probably the only thing the
hands/wrists must do that does not necessarily happen automatically as
the right arm folds and unfolds. Many players struggle with this and
let their right wrist straighten up to early. So if you practice the
arm/wrist action without turning your body I suppose the motion might
resemble the move you would make if you were chopping wood, but in fact
if you execute it correctly you would actually miss the wood because of
the need to 'lag' the clubhead during the downswing, which I referred
to earlier! However bear in mind that the objective in golf is not to
chop down on the ball so much as to make the club go up and down as the
body turns back and forth. OK?
Rgds, B