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Date: 05 Sep 2006 02:54:16
From: Carbon
Subject: Golf or Sex?
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My wife said to me tonight, you'd rather golf than have sex. Naturally I
objected out of reflex, but I've been kind of thinking about it ever since.
I hit a perfect shot on the weekend, a laser beam 5i, a little draw into a
quartering wind. Now that was something. I love golf.
My wife is much younger than me, a nice fit 32. My friends say, how'd you
end up with her?
You can have sex any time, but a hot round is something special. I admit
that I'm probably mentally ill. Or honest, I'm not sure which.
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 23:33:53
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: It's the putter -- once again.
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rcoy27 wrote:
> I just heard on TV the other day that Tiger had not missed any put inside
> 4
> feet in 2006. Maybe I heard incorrectly like I usually hear what my wife
> says.
They said he missed his first putt under 4 feet in a non-major in 2006. I
imagine that has to do with Shotlink not being involved in the majors. He
most certainly missed a putt of under 4 feet at the Open Championship, for
example.
Wayne
--
www.nhlfa.com
"There are only two things I can't stand in this world: people who are
intolerant of other peoples' cultures, and the Dutch."
-Nigel Powers
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 22:47:59
From: Captain Compassion
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 03:50:57 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org > wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:02:53 -0700, Captain Compassion
><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 01:03:07 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:24:14 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:43:19 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:25:19 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:16:33 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:26:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:23:56 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:55:06 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:02:06 -0500, JustinW <nope_no_address@here.com>
>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:24:15 -0700, Captain Compassion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What have the poor in Cuba and North Korea gotten?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>North Korea is not communist -- it's a giant defunct cult.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>In Cuba, citizens have one of the best medical systems available to the
>>>>>>>>>>>poor anywhere in the world. It's too damn bad that we can't visit and
>>>>>>>>>>>see for ourselves. We have so much freedom that we are forbidden to visit
>>>>>>>>>>>Cuba. If we were able to visit, I suspect US citizens would vote with
>>>>>>>>>>>their pocketbooks and vacation there every year.....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Good point. Due to their excellent health system the Cubans have the
>>>>>>>>>>opportunity to enjoy their poverty and enslavement over a longer life
>>>>>>>>>>span.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Poverty and enslavement"? You are mistaking Cuba for Haiti (the model
>>>>>>>>>of US interventionist policies in the Americas).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Again correct. With a GDP per capita of $3,500 there are twice as rich
>>>>>>>>as their brothers and sisters in Haiti. How ever they are less than
>>>>>>>>20% as rich as their Puerto Rican neighbors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Puerto Rico is heavily subsidized with aid money and tax incentives
>>>>>>>from the US for decades. In spite of this the poverty level is at 50%.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On the other hand, Cuba had all foreign accounts confiscated and a
>>>>>>>severe blockade and embargo imposed on it by the US for decades.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Only US trade is embargoed. All other countries are free to trade with
>>>>>>Cuba.
>>>>>
>>>>>The US embargo extended to foreign countries. If they did business
>>>>>with Cuba, their US trade could be cut off. It has only been in the
>>>>>last 4 or 5 years that companies are starting to ignore the US
>>>>>threats. Mainly because more and more business people see resuming
>>>>>trade with Cuba would be good business.
>>>>>
>>>>The two biggest trading partners of the US, Canada and Mexico both do
>>>>business with Cuba. So does China.
>>>
>>>Yep. But those countries couldn't supply some of the high tech stuff
>>>in the past. For all practical purposes, the embargo is finished. It
>>>now only hurts the US in lost trade.
>>>
>>Trade for what? As I've said they have nothing to trade for. Cuba was
>>a client state of the Soviet Union for around 30 years the only high
>>tech stuff that they gave them was military hardware. Certainly the US
>>isn't the only country with high tech stuff. How about the EU or
>>Canada? Why aren't they queueing up to trade high tech goodies for
>>sugar and cigars.
>>
>>Castro is a thief. It's bad business to trade with thieves.
>
>Cuba has the world's third largest nickel reserve in the world. Nickel
>is in very high demand for making stainless steel. The prices has gone
>from $2.50 (2002) to $15.00 (2006)
>
>The US has virtually no nickel deposits to speak of and must import
>from Canada, Japan and China (but China running short now)
>
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6566988/
>By y Murray Producer
>NBC News
>Updated: 9:04 a.m. PT Nov 23, 2004
>
>HAVANA - Cuba’s faltering economy could be getting unexpected support
>from a far-away place: China has agreed to invest in the island’s
>tourism, bio-technology and mining sectors.
>
>During a 48-hour visit to the island, Chinese President Hu Jintao
>signed 16 agreements with Cuban leader Fidel Castro, which included
>forming a joint venture in Cuba’s lucrative nickel industry, exploring
>nickel in undisclosed locations on the island, and reactivating a
>nickel plant abandoned by the Soviets a decade ago.
>
>Cuba has the third-largest nickel reserve in the world and China,
>driven by the biggest economic expansion in its history, needs huge
>quantities of the metal for its growing manufacturing sector.
>...
Bzzt!! Wrong. Australia has 25% of all nickel reserves. Russia has
12.7%, Indonesia has 11.6%, New Caledonia has 7.1%, Canada 6.7%, Cuba
6%. Seems they are #6.
http://www.dem.csiro.au/em/commodities/nickel/nickel_production/reserves_resources.htm
>
>>>>>> The problem is that Cuba has nothing to trade except sugar which
>>>>>>is a glut on the world ket and Tobacco which is considered poison.
>>>>>
>>>>>That is true. But the embargo also strangled any high tech ventures or
>>>>>modernization of Cuba. They have done rekably well considering the
>>>>>odds stacked against them.
>>>>>
>>>>>The recent trade of doctors and education for oil with Venezuela is
>>>>>good. They do have a good medical system and universities.
>>>>>
>>>>Trading people for oil eh? In the bad old days people were also a
>>>>tradable commodity. It was called slavery.
>>>
>>>You don't trade dollars for medical services in the US? If you do, is
>>>that slavery? At least oil is a commodity and has intrinsic value.
>>>Paper money is just printed paper - an IOU on the Federal Bank.
>>>
>>>In the years past, people traded services for goods all the time. They
>>>still do it today. I know dentists who trade services with
>>>accountants.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The European tourists, especially male Spanish and Germans, enjoy the
>>>>>>>>>>opportunity of meeting young Cuban women. Romance is cheap and
>>>>>>>>>>available in Castro's Cuba.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Sounds just like Miami, New York and LA. Just not as cheap. But if you
>>>>>>>>>are looking for a bargain, I'm sure two-bit whores can still be found
>>>>>>>>>there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Your Cuban sex trade dollars go to feed families not habits.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The only trade for sex I do is dinner and a movie. Sometimes it takes
>>>>>>>a lot of dinners and movies. ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>American sex tourists prefer Cambodia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Mexico
>>>>>>>>>and Brazil, expecting anonymity, low-cost prostitution, easily
>>>>>>>>>accessible children and impunity from prosecution.
--
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"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 06:08:27
From: kirtland
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 22:47:59 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net > wrote:
>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 03:50:57 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:02:53 -0700, Captain Compassion
>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 01:03:07 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:24:14 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:43:19 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:25:19 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:16:33 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:26:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:23:56 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:55:06 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:02:06 -0500, JustinW <nope_no_address@here.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:24:15 -0700, Captain Compassion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What have the poor in Cuba and North Korea gotten?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>North Korea is not communist -- it's a giant defunct cult.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>In Cuba, citizens have one of the best medical systems available to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>poor anywhere in the world. It's too damn bad that we can't visit and
>>>>>>>>>>>>see for ourselves. We have so much freedom that we are forbidden to visit
>>>>>>>>>>>>Cuba. If we were able to visit, I suspect US citizens would vote with
>>>>>>>>>>>>their pocketbooks and vacation there every year.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Good point. Due to their excellent health system the Cubans have the
>>>>>>>>>>>opportunity to enjoy their poverty and enslavement over a longer life
>>>>>>>>>>>span.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Poverty and enslavement"? You are mistaking Cuba for Haiti (the model
>>>>>>>>>>of US interventionist policies in the Americas).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Again correct. With a GDP per capita of $3,500 there are twice as rich
>>>>>>>>>as their brothers and sisters in Haiti. How ever they are less than
>>>>>>>>>20% as rich as their Puerto Rican neighbors.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Puerto Rico is heavily subsidized with aid money and tax incentives
>>>>>>>>from the US for decades. In spite of this the poverty level is at 50%.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On the other hand, Cuba had all foreign accounts confiscated and a
>>>>>>>>severe blockade and embargo imposed on it by the US for decades.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Only US trade is embargoed. All other countries are free to trade with
>>>>>>>Cuba.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The US embargo extended to foreign countries. If they did business
>>>>>>with Cuba, their US trade could be cut off. It has only been in the
>>>>>>last 4 or 5 years that companies are starting to ignore the US
>>>>>>threats. Mainly because more and more business people see resuming
>>>>>>trade with Cuba would be good business.
>>>>>>
>>>>>The two biggest trading partners of the US, Canada and Mexico both do
>>>>>business with Cuba. So does China.
>>>>
>>>>Yep. But those countries couldn't supply some of the high tech stuff
>>>>in the past. For all practical purposes, the embargo is finished. It
>>>>now only hurts the US in lost trade.
>>>>
>>>Trade for what? As I've said they have nothing to trade for. Cuba was
>>>a client state of the Soviet Union for around 30 years the only high
>>>tech stuff that they gave them was military hardware. Certainly the US
>>>isn't the only country with high tech stuff. How about the EU or
>>>Canada? Why aren't they queueing up to trade high tech goodies for
>>>sugar and cigars.
>>>
>>>Castro is a thief. It's bad business to trade with thieves.
>>
>>Cuba has the world's third largest nickel reserve in the world. Nickel
>>is in very high demand for making stainless steel. The prices has gone
>>from $2.50 (2002) to $15.00 (2006)
>>
>>The US has virtually no nickel deposits to speak of and must import
>>from Canada, Japan and China (but China running short now)
>>
>>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6566988/
>>By y Murray Producer
>>NBC News
>>Updated: 9:04 a.m. PT Nov 23, 2004
>>
>>HAVANA - Cuba’s faltering economy could be getting unexpected support
>>from a far-away place: China has agreed to invest in the island’s
>>tourism, bio-technology and mining sectors.
>>
>>During a 48-hour visit to the island, Chinese President Hu Jintao
>>signed 16 agreements with Cuban leader Fidel Castro, which included
>>forming a joint venture in Cuba’s lucrative nickel industry, exploring
>>nickel in undisclosed locations on the island, and reactivating a
>>nickel plant abandoned by the Soviets a decade ago.
>>
>>Cuba has the third-largest nickel reserve in the world and China,
>>driven by the biggest economic expansion in its history, needs huge
>>quantities of the metal for its growing manufacturing sector.
>>...
>Bzzt!! Wrong. Australia has 25% of all nickel reserves. Russia has
>12.7%, Indonesia has 11.6%, New Caledonia has 7.1%, Canada 6.7%, Cuba
>6%. Seems they are #6.
>http://www.dem.csiro.au/em/commodities/nickel/nickel_production/reserves_resources.htm
2002
The US Geological Survey 2005 report now puts Cuba 2nd. I guess the
Chinese found more deposits in Cuba. Cuba now has to crank up
production.
http://www.roskill.com/news/newsCMS/newsItems/220206161536/viewNewsItem
Demand in end-use kets
Despite short-term downturns in the aerospace and electronics
industries, demand for nickel in high performance and special
performance alloys is expected to continue to recover steadily in the
medium term. The superalloy sector is forecast to increase at around
5%py on the back of more optimistic predictions for growth in civil
air traffic.
Of the more minor end-uses, consumption of nickel in plating and other
alloy steels is not expected to grow at much more than 2%py. In
contrast, the battery ket continues to offer strong growth, albeit
from a smaller base, and offers significant upside potential in the
longer term if, as appears probable, large nickel-metal hybride
batteries become the future battery of choice in electric and/or
hybrid electric vehicles.
World reserve base and production
The world reserve base of nickel, compiled by the US Geological Survey
in 2005, is 140Mt, which is around 100 times annual production in
2004. Australia, with 19%, Cuba (16%) and Canada (11%) have the
largest resources, while Indonesia, New Caledonia and South Africa
each have around 9% of global nickel reserves.
World mine production totalled 1.32Mt in 2004, the highest output ever
recorded. Russia with 22%, Canada (14%), Australia (12%), Indonesia
(10%) and New Caledonia (9%) were the principal producing countries.
In company terms, ten companies or States controlled 75% of world
nickel mine production. In 2005, Norilsk Nickel in Russia with 18%,
Inco in Canada and Indonesia (13%) and WMC (now part of BHP Billiton)
in Australia (9%) were the main producing companies.
>>>>>>> The problem is that Cuba has nothing to trade except sugar which
>>>>>>>is a glut on the world ket and Tobacco which is considered poison.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That is true. But the embargo also strangled any high tech ventures or
>>>>>>modernization of Cuba. They have done rekably well considering the
>>>>>>odds stacked against them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The recent trade of doctors and education for oil with Venezuela is
>>>>>>good. They do have a good medical system and universities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Trading people for oil eh? In the bad old days people were also a
>>>>>tradable commodity. It was called slavery.
>>>>
>>>>You don't trade dollars for medical services in the US? If you do, is
>>>>that slavery? At least oil is a commodity and has intrinsic value.
>>>>Paper money is just printed paper - an IOU on the Federal Bank.
>>>>
>>>>In the years past, people traded services for goods all the time. They
>>>>still do it today. I know dentists who trade services with
>>>>accountants.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>The European tourists, especially male Spanish and Germans, enjoy the
>>>>>>>>>>>opportunity of meeting young Cuban women. Romance is cheap and
>>>>>>>>>>>available in Castro's Cuba.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Sounds just like Miami, New York and LA. Just not as cheap. But if you
>>>>>>>>>>are looking for a bargain, I'm sure two-bit whores can still be found
>>>>>>>>>>there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Your Cuban sex trade dollars go to feed families not habits.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The only trade for sex I do is dinner and a movie. Sometimes it takes
>>>>>>>>a lot of dinners and movies. ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Just so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>American sex tourists prefer Cambodia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Mexico
>>>>>>>>>>and Brazil, expecting anonymity, low-cost prostitution, easily
>>>>>>>>>>accessible children and impunity from prosecution.
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 10:54:18
From: mr_antone
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 06:08:27 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org > wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 22:47:59 -0700, Captain Compassion
><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 03:50:57 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:02:53 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 01:03:07 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:24:14 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:43:19 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:25:19 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:16:33 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:26:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:23:56 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:55:06 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:02:06 -0500, JustinW <nope_no_address@here.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:24:15 -0700, Captain Compassion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What have the poor in Cuba and North Korea gotten?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>North Korea is not communist -- it's a giant defunct cult.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>In Cuba, citizens have one of the best medical systems available to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>poor anywhere in the world. It's too damn bad that we can't visit and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>see for ourselves. We have so much freedom that we are forbidden to visit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cuba. If we were able to visit, I suspect US citizens would vote with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>their pocketbooks and vacation there every year.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Good point. Due to their excellent health system the Cubans have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>opportunity to enjoy their poverty and enslavement over a longer life
>>>>>>>>>>>>span.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Poverty and enslavement"? You are mistaking Cuba for Haiti (the model
>>>>>>>>>>>of US interventionist policies in the Americas).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Again correct. With a GDP per capita of $3,500 there are twice as rich
>>>>>>>>>>as their brothers and sisters in Haiti. How ever they are less than
>>>>>>>>>>20% as rich as their Puerto Rican neighbors.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Puerto Rico is heavily subsidized with aid money and tax incentives
>>>>>>>>>from the US for decades. In spite of this the poverty level is at 50%.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On the other hand, Cuba had all foreign accounts confiscated and a
>>>>>>>>>severe blockade and embargo imposed on it by the US for decades.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Only US trade is embargoed. All other countries are free to trade with
>>>>>>>>Cuba.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The US embargo extended to foreign countries. If they did business
>>>>>>>with Cuba, their US trade could be cut off. It has only been in the
>>>>>>>last 4 or 5 years that companies are starting to ignore the US
>>>>>>>threats. Mainly because more and more business people see resuming
>>>>>>>trade with Cuba would be good business.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>The two biggest trading partners of the US, Canada and Mexico both do
>>>>>>business with Cuba. So does China.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yep. But those countries couldn't supply some of the high tech stuff
>>>>>in the past. For all practical purposes, the embargo is finished. It
>>>>>now only hurts the US in lost trade.
>>>>>
>>>>Trade for what? As I've said they have nothing to trade for. Cuba was
>>>>a client state of the Soviet Union for around 30 years the only high
>>>>tech stuff that they gave them was military hardware. Certainly the US
>>>>isn't the only country with high tech stuff. How about the EU or
>>>>Canada? Why aren't they queueing up to trade high tech goodies for
>>>>sugar and cigars.
>>>>
>>>>Castro is a thief. It's bad business to trade with thieves.
>>>
>>>Cuba has the world's third largest nickel reserve in the world. Nickel
>>>is in very high demand for making stainless steel. The prices has gone
>>>from $2.50 (2002) to $15.00 (2006)
>>>
>>>The US has virtually no nickel deposits to speak of and must import
>>>from Canada, Japan and China (but China running short now)
>>>
>>>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6566988/
>>>By y Murray Producer
>>>NBC News
>>>Updated: 9:04 a.m. PT Nov 23, 2004
>>>
>>>HAVANA - Cuba’s faltering economy could be getting unexpected support
>>>from a far-away place: China has agreed to invest in the island’s
>>>tourism, bio-technology and mining sectors.
>>>
>>>During a 48-hour visit to the island, Chinese President Hu Jintao
>>>signed 16 agreements with Cuban leader Fidel Castro, which included
>>>forming a joint venture in Cuba’s lucrative nickel industry, exploring
>>>nickel in undisclosed locations on the island, and reactivating a
>>>nickel plant abandoned by the Soviets a decade ago.
>>>
>>>Cuba has the third-largest nickel reserve in the world and China,
>>>driven by the biggest economic expansion in its history, needs huge
>>>quantities of the metal for its growing manufacturing sector.
>>>...
>>Bzzt!! Wrong. Australia has 25% of all nickel reserves. Russia has
>>12.7%, Indonesia has 11.6%, New Caledonia has 7.1%, Canada 6.7%, Cuba
>>6%. Seems they are #6.
>
>>http://www.dem.csiro.au/em/commodities/nickel/nickel_production/reserves_resources.htm
>2002
>
>The US Geological Survey 2005 report now puts Cuba 2nd. I guess the
>Chinese found more deposits in Cuba. Cuba now has to crank up
>production.
>
>http://www.roskill.com/news/newsCMS/newsItems/220206161536/viewNewsItem
>Demand in end-use kets
>
>Despite short-term downturns in the aerospace and electronics
>industries, demand for nickel in high performance and special
>performance alloys is expected to continue to recover steadily in the
>medium term. The superalloy sector is forecast to increase at around
>5%py on the back of more optimistic predictions for growth in civil
>air traffic.
>
>Of the more minor end-uses, consumption of nickel in plating and other
>alloy steels is not expected to grow at much more than 2%py. In
>contrast, the battery ket continues to offer strong growth, albeit
>from a smaller base, and offers significant upside potential in the
>longer term if, as appears probable, large nickel-metal hybride
>batteries become the future battery of choice in electric and/or
>hybrid electric vehicles.
>World reserve base and production
>
>The world reserve base of nickel, compiled by the US Geological Survey
>in 2005, is 140Mt, which is around 100 times annual production in
>2004. Australia, with 19%, Cuba (16%) and Canada (11%) have the
>largest resources, while Indonesia, New Caledonia and South Africa
>each have around 9% of global nickel reserves.
>
>World mine production totalled 1.32Mt in 2004, the highest output ever
>recorded. Russia with 22%, Canada (14%), Australia (12%), Indonesia
>(10%) and New Caledonia (9%) were the principal producing countries.
>In company terms, ten companies or States controlled 75% of world
>nickel mine production. In 2005, Norilsk Nickel in Russia with 18%,
>Inco in Canada and Indonesia (13%) and WMC (now part of BHP Billiton)
>in Australia (9%) were the main producing companies.
Another recent find in Cuba has been oil and gas.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14095881/
It would be sweet irony if Cuba became an oil exporter.
>
>>>>>>>> The problem is that Cuba has nothing to trade except sugar which
>>>>>>>>is a glut on the world ket and Tobacco which is considered poison.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That is true. But the embargo also strangled any high tech ventures or
>>>>>>>modernization of Cuba. They have done rekably well considering the
>>>>>>>odds stacked against them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The recent trade of doctors and education for oil with Venezuela is
>>>>>>>good. They do have a good medical system and universities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Trading people for oil eh? In the bad old days people were also a
>>>>>>tradable commodity. It was called slavery.
>>>>>
>>>>>You don't trade dollars for medical services in the US? If you do, is
>>>>>that slavery? At least oil is a commodity and has intrinsic value.
>>>>>Paper money is just printed paper - an IOU on the Federal Bank.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the years past, people traded services for goods all the time. They
>>>>>still do it today. I know dentists who trade services with
>>>>>accountants.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>The European tourists, especially male Spanish and Germans, enjoy the
>>>>>>>>>>>>opportunity of meeting young Cuban women. Romance is cheap and
>>>>>>>>>>>>available in Castro's Cuba.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds just like Miami, New York and LA. Just not as cheap. But if you
>>>>>>>>>>>are looking for a bargain, I'm sure two-bit whores can still be found
>>>>>>>>>>>there.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Your Cuban sex trade dollars go to feed families not habits.
Another urban myth.
Drug and sex trade is illegal in Cuba.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The only trade for sex I do is dinner and a movie. Sometimes it takes
>>>>>>>>>a lot of dinners and movies. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Just so.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>American sex tourists prefer Cambodia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Mexico
>>>>>>>>>>>and Brazil, expecting anonymity, low-cost prostitution, easily
>>>>>>>>>>>accessible children and impunity from prosecution.
mr_antone
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 16:53:12
From: kirtland
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:54:18 -0500, mr_antone <mr_antone@ > wrote:
>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 06:08:27 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 22:47:59 -0700, Captain Compassion
>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 03:50:57 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:02:53 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 01:03:07 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:24:14 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:43:19 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:25:19 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:16:33 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:26:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:23:56 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:55:06 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:02:06 -0500, JustinW <nope_no_address@here.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:24:15 -0700, Captain Compassion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What have the poor in Cuba and North Korea gotten?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>North Korea is not communist -- it's a giant defunct cult.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In Cuba, citizens have one of the best medical systems available to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>poor anywhere in the world. It's too damn bad that we can't visit and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>see for ourselves. We have so much freedom that we are forbidden to visit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cuba. If we were able to visit, I suspect US citizens would vote with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>their pocketbooks and vacation there every year.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Good point. Due to their excellent health system the Cubans have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>opportunity to enjoy their poverty and enslavement over a longer life
>>>>>>>>>>>>>span.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Poverty and enslavement"? You are mistaking Cuba for Haiti (the model
>>>>>>>>>>>>of US interventionist policies in the Americas).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Again correct. With a GDP per capita of $3,500 there are twice as rich
>>>>>>>>>>>as their brothers and sisters in Haiti. How ever they are less than
>>>>>>>>>>>20% as rich as their Puerto Rican neighbors.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Puerto Rico is heavily subsidized with aid money and tax incentives
>>>>>>>>>>from the US for decades. In spite of this the poverty level is at 50%.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On the other hand, Cuba had all foreign accounts confiscated and a
>>>>>>>>>>severe blockade and embargo imposed on it by the US for decades.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Only US trade is embargoed. All other countries are free to trade with
>>>>>>>>>Cuba.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The US embargo extended to foreign countries. If they did business
>>>>>>>>with Cuba, their US trade could be cut off. It has only been in the
>>>>>>>>last 4 or 5 years that companies are starting to ignore the US
>>>>>>>>threats. Mainly because more and more business people see resuming
>>>>>>>>trade with Cuba would be good business.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The two biggest trading partners of the US, Canada and Mexico both do
>>>>>>>business with Cuba. So does China.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yep. But those countries couldn't supply some of the high tech stuff
>>>>>>in the past. For all practical purposes, the embargo is finished. It
>>>>>>now only hurts the US in lost trade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Trade for what? As I've said they have nothing to trade for. Cuba was
>>>>>a client state of the Soviet Union for around 30 years the only high
>>>>>tech stuff that they gave them was military hardware. Certainly the US
>>>>>isn't the only country with high tech stuff. How about the EU or
>>>>>Canada? Why aren't they queueing up to trade high tech goodies for
>>>>>sugar and cigars.
>>>>>
>>>>>Castro is a thief. It's bad business to trade with thieves.
>>>>
>>>>Cuba has the world's third largest nickel reserve in the world. Nickel
>>>>is in very high demand for making stainless steel. The prices has gone
>>>>from $2.50 (2002) to $15.00 (2006)
>>>>
>>>>The US has virtually no nickel deposits to speak of and must import
>>>>from Canada, Japan and China (but China running short now)
>>>>
>>>>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6566988/
>>>>By y Murray Producer
>>>>NBC News
>>>>Updated: 9:04 a.m. PT Nov 23, 2004
>>>>
>>>>HAVANA - Cuba’s faltering economy could be getting unexpected support
>>>>from a far-away place: China has agreed to invest in the island’s
>>>>tourism, bio-technology and mining sectors.
>>>>
>>>>During a 48-hour visit to the island, Chinese President Hu Jintao
>>>>signed 16 agreements with Cuban leader Fidel Castro, which included
>>>>forming a joint venture in Cuba’s lucrative nickel industry, exploring
>>>>nickel in undisclosed locations on the island, and reactivating a
>>>>nickel plant abandoned by the Soviets a decade ago.
>>>>
>>>>Cuba has the third-largest nickel reserve in the world and China,
>>>>driven by the biggest economic expansion in its history, needs huge
>>>>quantities of the metal for its growing manufacturing sector.
>>>>...
>>>Bzzt!! Wrong. Australia has 25% of all nickel reserves. Russia has
>>>12.7%, Indonesia has 11.6%, New Caledonia has 7.1%, Canada 6.7%, Cuba
>>>6%. Seems they are #6.
>>
>>>http://www.dem.csiro.au/em/commodities/nickel/nickel_production/reserves_resources.htm
>>2002
>>
>>The US Geological Survey 2005 report now puts Cuba 2nd. I guess the
>>Chinese found more deposits in Cuba. Cuba now has to crank up
>>production.
>>
>>http://www.roskill.com/news/newsCMS/newsItems/220206161536/viewNewsItem
>>Demand in end-use kets
>>
>>Despite short-term downturns in the aerospace and electronics
>>industries, demand for nickel in high performance and special
>>performance alloys is expected to continue to recover steadily in the
>>medium term. The superalloy sector is forecast to increase at around
>>5%py on the back of more optimistic predictions for growth in civil
>>air traffic.
>>
>>Of the more minor end-uses, consumption of nickel in plating and other
>>alloy steels is not expected to grow at much more than 2%py. In
>>contrast, the battery ket continues to offer strong growth, albeit
>>from a smaller base, and offers significant upside potential in the
>>longer term if, as appears probable, large nickel-metal hybride
>>batteries become the future battery of choice in electric and/or
>>hybrid electric vehicles.
>>World reserve base and production
>>
>>The world reserve base of nickel, compiled by the US Geological Survey
>>in 2005, is 140Mt, which is around 100 times annual production in
>>2004. Australia, with 19%, Cuba (16%) and Canada (11%) have the
>>largest resources, while Indonesia, New Caledonia and South Africa
>>each have around 9% of global nickel reserves.
>>
>>World mine production totalled 1.32Mt in 2004, the highest output ever
>>recorded. Russia with 22%, Canada (14%), Australia (12%), Indonesia
>>(10%) and New Caledonia (9%) were the principal producing countries.
>>In company terms, ten companies or States controlled 75% of world
>>nickel mine production. In 2005, Norilsk Nickel in Russia with 18%,
>>Inco in Canada and Indonesia (13%) and WMC (now part of BHP Billiton)
>>in Australia (9%) were the main producing companies.
>
>Another recent find in Cuba has been oil and gas.
>
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14095881/
>
>It would be sweet irony if Cuba became an oil exporter.
Yes it would be. We will know in several years.
The embargo by the US has forced Cuba to become a world leader in the
conservation of oil. Many nations of the world are flocking there to
learn. The US (except California) is still "thinking" about these
issues while the rest of the world is starting to act upon them.
I wonder where the US will get the nickel needed in the batteries for
hybrid cars? Cuba is the only country that has untapped reserves. The
rest are running at capacity.
In a way, Cuba will have a grip on a few American short hairs. It's
payback time.
>>>>>>>>> The problem is that Cuba has nothing to trade except sugar which
>>>>>>>>>is a glut on the world ket and Tobacco which is considered poison.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That is true. But the embargo also strangled any high tech ventures or
>>>>>>>>modernization of Cuba. They have done rekably well considering the
>>>>>>>>odds stacked against them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The recent trade of doctors and education for oil with Venezuela is
>>>>>>>>good. They do have a good medical system and universities.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Trading people for oil eh? In the bad old days people were also a
>>>>>>>tradable commodity. It was called slavery.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You don't trade dollars for medical services in the US? If you do, is
>>>>>>that slavery? At least oil is a commodity and has intrinsic value.
>>>>>>Paper money is just printed paper - an IOU on the Federal Bank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In the years past, people traded services for goods all the time. They
>>>>>>still do it today. I know dentists who trade services with
>>>>>>accountants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>The European tourists, especially male Spanish and Germans, enjoy the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>opportunity of meeting young Cuban women. Romance is cheap and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>available in Castro's Cuba.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds just like Miami, New York and LA. Just not as cheap. But if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>are looking for a bargain, I'm sure two-bit whores can still be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Your Cuban sex trade dollars go to feed families not habits.
>
>Another urban myth.
>
>Drug and sex trade is illegal in Cuba.
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The only trade for sex I do is dinner and a movie. Sometimes it takes
>>>>>>>>>>a lot of dinners and movies. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Just so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>American sex tourists prefer Cambodia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Mexico
>>>>>>>>>>>>and Brazil, expecting anonymity, low-cost prostitution, easily
>>>>>>>>>>>>accessible children and impunity from prosecution.
>
>
>mr_antone
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 13:15:31
From: mr_antone
Subject: Re: Venezuela takes over 3 golf course - Will build 50,000 homes for poor
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On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 16:53:12 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org > wrote:
>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 10:54:18 -0500, mr_antone <mr_antone@> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 06:08:27 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 22:47:59 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 03:50:57 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:02:53 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 01:03:07 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:24:14 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:43:19 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:25:19 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 23:16:33 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:26:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:23:56 GMT, kirtland <kland@noway.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:55:06 -0700, Captain Compassion
>>>>>>>>>>>>><daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 09:02:06 -0500, JustinW <nope_no_address@here.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:24:15 -0700, Captain Compassion wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What have the poor in Cuba and North Korea gotten?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>North Korea is not communist -- it's a giant defunct cult.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In Cuba, citizens have one of the best medical systems available to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>poor anywhere in the world. It's too damn bad that we can't visit and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>see for ourselves. We have so much freedom that we are forbidden to visit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cuba. If we were able to visit, I suspect US citizens would vote with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>their pocketbooks and vacation there every year.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Good point. Due to their excellent health system the Cubans have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>opportunity to enjoy their poverty and enslavement over a longer life
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>span.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Poverty and enslavement"? You are mistaking Cuba for Haiti (the model
>>>>>>>>>>>>>of US interventionist policies in the Americas).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Again correct. With a GDP per capita of $3,500 there are twice as rich
>>>>>>>>>>>>as their brothers and sisters in Haiti. How ever they are less than
>>>>>>>>>>>>20% as rich as their Puerto Rican neighbors.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Puerto Rico is heavily subsidized with aid money and tax incentives
>>>>>>>>>>>from the US for decades. In spite of this the poverty level is at 50%.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On the other hand, Cuba had all foreign accounts confiscated and a
>>>>>>>>>>>severe blockade and embargo imposed on it by the US for decades.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Only US trade is embargoed. All other countries are free to trade with
>>>>>>>>>>Cuba.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The US embargo extended to foreign countries. If they did business
>>>>>>>>>with Cuba, their US trade could be cut off. It has only been in the
>>>>>>>>>last 4 or 5 years that companies are starting to ignore the US
>>>>>>>>>threats. Mainly because more and more business people see resuming
>>>>>>>>>trade with Cuba would be good business.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The two biggest trading partners of the US, Canada and Mexico both do
>>>>>>>>business with Cuba. So does China.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yep. But those countries couldn't supply some of the high tech stuff
>>>>>>>in the past. For all practical purposes, the embargo is finished. It
>>>>>>>now only hurts the US in lost trade.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Trade for what? As I've said they have nothing to trade for. Cuba was
>>>>>>a client state of the Soviet Union for around 30 years the only high
>>>>>>tech stuff that they gave them was military hardware. Certainly the US
>>>>>>isn't the only country with high tech stuff. How about the EU or
>>>>>>Canada? Why aren't they queueing up to trade high tech goodies for
>>>>>>sugar and cigars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Castro is a thief. It's bad business to trade with thieves.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cuba has the world's third largest nickel reserve in the world. Nickel
>>>>>is in very high demand for making stainless steel. The prices has gone
>>>>>from $2.50 (2002) to $15.00 (2006)
>>>>>
>>>>>The US has virtually no nickel deposits to speak of and must import
>>>>>from Canada, Japan and China (but China running short now)
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6566988/
>>>>>By y Murray Producer
>>>>>NBC News
>>>>>Updated: 9:04 a.m. PT Nov 23, 2004
>>>>>
>>>>>HAVANA - Cuba’s faltering economy could be getting unexpected support
>>>>>from a far-away place: China has agreed to invest in the island’s
>>>>>tourism, bio-technology and mining sectors.
>>>>>
>>>>>During a 48-hour visit to the island, Chinese President Hu Jintao
>>>>>signed 16 agreements with Cuban leader Fidel Castro, which included
>>>>>forming a joint venture in Cuba’s lucrative nickel industry, exploring
>>>>>nickel in undisclosed locations on the island, and reactivating a
>>>>>nickel plant abandoned by the Soviets a decade ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cuba has the third-largest nickel reserve in the world and China,
>>>>>driven by the biggest economic expansion in its history, needs huge
>>>>>quantities of the metal for its growing manufacturing sector.
>>>>>...
>>>>Bzzt!! Wrong. Australia has 25% of all nickel reserves. Russia has
>>>>12.7%, Indonesia has 11.6%, New Caledonia has 7.1%, Canada 6.7%, Cuba
>>>>6%. Seems they are #6.
>>>
>>>>http://www.dem.csiro.au/em/commodities/nickel/nickel_production/reserves_resources.htm
>>>2002
>>>
>>>The US Geological Survey 2005 report now puts Cuba 2nd. I guess the
>>>Chinese found more deposits in Cuba. Cuba now has to crank up
>>>production.
>>>
>>>http://www.roskill.com/news/newsCMS/newsItems/220206161536/viewNewsItem
>>>Demand in end-use kets
>>>
>>>Despite short-term downturns in the aerospace and electronics
>>>industries, demand for nickel in high performance and special
>>>performance alloys is expected to continue to recover steadily in the
>>>medium term. The superalloy sector is forecast to increase at around
>>>5%py on the back of more optimistic predictions for growth in civil
>>>air traffic.
>>>
>>>Of the more minor end-uses, consumption of nickel in plating and other
>>>alloy steels is not expected to grow at much more than 2%py. In
>>>contrast, the battery ket continues to offer strong growth, albeit
>>>from a smaller base, and offers significant upside potential in the
>>>longer term if, as appears probable, large nickel-metal hybride
>>>batteries become the future battery of choice in electric and/or
>>>hybrid electric vehicles.
>>>World reserve base and production
>>>
>>>The world reserve base of nickel, compiled by the US Geological Survey
>>>in 2005, is 140Mt, which is around 100 times annual production in
>>>2004. Australia, with 19%, Cuba (16%) and Canada (11%) have the
>>>largest resources, while Indonesia, New Caledonia and South Africa
>>>each have around 9% of global nickel reserves.
>>>
>>>World mine production totalled 1.32Mt in 2004, the highest output ever
>>>recorded. Russia with 22%, Canada (14%), Australia (12%), Indonesia
>>>(10%) and New Caledonia (9%) were the principal producing countries.
>>>In company terms, ten companies or States controlled 75% of world
>>>nickel mine production. In 2005, Norilsk Nickel in Russia with 18%,
>>>Inco in Canada and Indonesia (13%) and WMC (now part of BHP Billiton)
>>>in Australia (9%) were the main producing companies.
>>
>>Another recent find in Cuba has been oil and gas.
>>
>>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14095881/
>>
>>It would be sweet irony if Cuba became an oil exporter.
>
>Yes it would be. We will know in several years.
>
>The embargo by the US has forced Cuba to become a world leader in the
>conservation of oil. Many nations of the world are flocking there to
>learn. The US (except California) is still "thinking" about these
>issues while the rest of the world is starting to act upon them.
>
>I wonder where the US will get the nickel needed in the batteries for
>hybrid cars? Cuba is the only country that has untapped reserves. The
>rest are running at capacity.
>
>In a way, Cuba will have a grip on a few American short hairs. It's
>payback time.
Yes. Interesting times ahead...
>
>>>>>>>>>> The problem is that Cuba has nothing to trade except sugar which
>>>>>>>>>>is a glut on the world ket and Tobacco which is considered poison.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That is true. But the embargo also strangled any high tech ventures or
>>>>>>>>>modernization of Cuba. They have done rekably well considering the
>>>>>>>>>odds stacked against them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The recent trade of doctors and education for oil with Venezuela is
>>>>>>>>>good. They do have a good medical system and universities.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Trading people for oil eh? In the bad old days people were also a
>>>>>>>>tradable commodity. It was called slavery.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You don't trade dollars for medical services in the US? If you do, is
>>>>>>>that slavery? At least oil is a commodity and has intrinsic value.
>>>>>>>Paper money is just printed paper - an IOU on the Federal Bank.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In the years past, people traded services for goods all the time. They
>>>>>>>still do it today. I know dentists who trade services with
>>>>>>>accountants.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The European tourists, especially male Spanish and Germans, enjoy the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>opportunity of meeting young Cuban women. Romance is cheap and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>available in Castro's Cuba.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds just like Miami, New York and LA. Just not as cheap. But if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>are looking for a bargain, I'm sure two-bit whores can still be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Your Cuban sex trade dollars go to feed families not habits.
>>
>>Another urban myth.
>>
>>Drug and sex trade is illegal in Cuba.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>The only trade for sex I do is dinner and a movie. Sometimes it takes
>>>>>>>>>>>a lot of dinners and movies. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Just so.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>American sex tourists prefer Cambodia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Mexico
>>>>>>>>>>>>>and Brazil, expecting anonymity, low-cost prostitution, easily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>accessible children and impunity from prosecution.
>>
>>
>>mr_antone
mr_antone
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