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Date: 04 Sep 2006 08:46:18
From: Simon
Subject: European Ryder Cup Team
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I read an interview this morning where Ian Woosnam said Thomas Bjorn
was "not a happy chappy" about being left out of the team. Looks like
he was right...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/golf/5311632.stm
David Howell
Paul Casey
Luke Donald
Sergio Garcia
Colin Montgomerie
Henrik Stenson
Robert Karlsson
Padraig Harrington
Paul McGinley
Jose ia Olazabal
Darren Clarke
Lee Westwood
Overall, I think it looks like a good team. There had been rumours
floating around for the last couple of weeks that Darren Clarke would
be one of the captain's picks. It's great to see him back and I suspect
that having him involved in the match will bring a sense of perspective
to what is just a game of golf.
I can see how Bjorn would be upset by losing out to a player below him
in the rankings, but Westwood seems to play above himself in the Ryder
Cup and is definitely the sort of character you want in your team. I
don't have a lot of sympathy for Bjorn - if you aren't good enough to
make the top 10, then you have to accept the captain's decision for his
picks. Maybe his outburst illustrates the different ways the match is
viewed by European and US players. Lehman skipped quite a long way down
the points list to pick Scott Verplank. Did any of the US players get
this upset about being left out?
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 19:50:08
From:
Subject: Re: European Ryder Cup Team
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for the captain's "pick", any "qualifying" player should be allowed to
join in a pool, and a drawing set up to determine who the winning two
will be. this would eliminate partially / politics in the matter.
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 11:24:29
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: European Ryder Cup Team
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William A. T. Clark wrote:
> However, I think that Clarke provides a significant
> emotional fillip, and he will surely be fully focussed on the RC.
> Westwood is a proven tough RC competitor.
I hope you are right - but as I see it some dark clouds are gathering
on the horizon. F
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 16:28:15
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: European Ryder Cup Team
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In article <1157394269.263616.283300@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com >,
"Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote:
> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > However, I think that Clarke provides a significant
> > emotional fillip, and he will surely be fully focussed on the RC.
> > Westwood is a proven tough RC competitor.
>
> I hope you are right - but as I see it some dark clouds are gathering
> on the horizon. F
Agreed - I see this young US team as being very like the European teams
of the 80's and 90's, hungry and scrappy, and no respecters of
reputations. I think it is the Europeans that are in the bullseye now.
William Clark
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 09:41:50
From: Fairway
Subject: Re: European Ryder Cup Team
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k A wrote:
> If Westwood was hot, that would understandable, but he isn't. Probably the
> biggest gap is that the captain is from the UK, Westwood is from the UK, =
and
> Bjorn is not from the UK.
The crux of the matter, I suspect. Darren and Lee are from the UK and
so is Woosnam - but Bj=F6rn is from Denk. Woosie feels closer to his
countrymen. It=B4s nice of course to pick Darren - a very popular choice
- but is he ready to face the enemy in a ferocious battle? I doubt it.
And his Ryder Cup record isn=B4t particularly good either. Bjorn has
every right to be furious. F
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 14:01:46
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: European Ryder Cup Team
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In article <1157388110.472827.236820@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com >,
"Fairway" <arminsson@yahoo.com > wrote:
> k A wrote:
> > If Westwood was hot, that would understandable, but he isn't. Probably the
> > biggest gap is that the captain is from the UK, Westwood is from the UK, and
> > Bjorn is not from the UK.
>
> The crux of the matter, I suspect. Darren and Lee are from the UK and
> so is Woosnam - but Björn is from Denk. Woosie feels closer to his
> countrymen. It´s nice of course to pick Darren - a very popular choice
> - but is he ready to face the enemy in a ferocious battle? I doubt it.
> And his Ryder Cup record isn´t particularly good either. Bjorn has
> every right to be furious. F
Nonsense. First, I think that national prejudice has absolutely nothing
to do with this. Woosnam would have no more affection for the English
than for the Danes. However, I think that Clarke provides a significant
emotional fillip, and he will surely be fully focussed on the RC.
Westwood is a proven tough RC competitor. Bjorn is perhaps unlucky, but
being "furious"? That's absurd.
William Clark
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 15:58:34
From: Howard U. Dewing
Subject: Re: European Ryder Cup Team
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Simon wrote:
> I read an interview this morning where Ian Woosnam said Thomas Bjorn
> was "not a happy chappy" about being left out of the team. Looks like
> he was right...
>
These guys who complain about not being picked need only play better to
ensure they're on next time. The captain's picks are there to allow the
captain to mold his team with some discretion, to fill gaps, reward hot
play, or other intangibles. Otherwise, the teams would be set with the
top 12, period.
Bjorn has no legit complaint, other than to express disappointment at
his level of play.
--
Howard U. Dewing
I made up this name. It was a choice between this and Watson deMehneux.
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 10:31:56
From: Mark A
Subject: Re: European Ryder Cup Team
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"Howard U. Dewing" <sample@sample.net > wrote in message
news:K2YKg.501292$Mn5.165356@pd7tw3no...
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> These guys who complain about not being picked need only play better to
> ensure they're on next time. The captain's picks are there to allow the
> captain to mold his team with some discretion, to fill gaps, reward hot
> play, or other intangibles. Otherwise, the teams would be set with the top
> 12, period.
>
> Bjorn has no legit complaint, other than to express disappointment at his
> level of play.
If Westwood was hot, that would understandable, but he isn't. Probably the
biggest gap is that the captain is from the UK, Westwood is from the UK, and
Bjorn is not from the UK.
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 13:58:57
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: European Ryder Cup Team
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In article <yYmdnch7r9BmyWHZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@comcast.com >,
"k A" <nobody@nowhere.com > wrote:
> "Howard U. Dewing" <sample@sample.net> wrote in message
> news:K2YKg.501292$Mn5.165356@pd7tw3no...
> >
> > These guys who complain about not being picked need only play better to
> > ensure they're on next time. The captain's picks are there to allow the
> > captain to mold his team with some discretion, to fill gaps, reward hot
> > play, or other intangibles. Otherwise, the teams would be set with the top
> > 12, period.
> >
> > Bjorn has no legit complaint, other than to express disappointment at his
> > level of play.
>
> If Westwood was hot, that would understandable, but he isn't. Probably the
> biggest gap is that the captain is from the UK, Westwood is from the UK, and
> Bjorn is not from the UK.
Not quite - Woosnam is Welsh, Westwood is English. I doubt he has any
more national affection for Westwood than he does for Bjorn. Westwood
has proved himself a tougher competitor and leader in the RC.
William Clark
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 11:11:36
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: European Ryder Cup Team
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On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 15:58:34 GMT, "Howard U. Dewing"
<sample@sample.net > wrote:
>Simon wrote:
>> I read an interview this morning where Ian Woosnam said Thomas Bjorn
>> was "not a happy chappy" about being left out of the team. Looks like
>> he was right...
>>
>
>These guys who complain about not being picked need only play better to
>ensure they're on next time.
According to the stats, Bjorn DID play better than Westwood this year.
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 00:34:49
From: Howard U. Dewing
Subject: Re: European Ryder Cup Team
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Bobby Knight wrote:
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> According to the stats, Bjorn DID play better than Westwood this year.
>
Perhaps. But not better than the #11 player, so he was in the pool where
a CP was his only hope. And Woosie had different criteria than just
choosing the next two guys on the points list. Same as Lehman.
--
Howard U. Dewing
I made up this name. It was a choice between this and Watson deMehneux.
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 09:57:09
From: Mark A
Subject: Re: European Ryder Cup Team
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"Simon" <hancock_simon@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1157384778.078909.257930@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>I read an interview this morning where Ian Woosnam said Thomas Bjorn
> was "not a happy chappy" about being left out of the team. Looks like
> he was right...
>
The captain's picks were originally instituted to get around the problem
where someone did not qualify due to something other than their current
playing ability, such as previous injury, did not play enough tour events,
etc.
But baring the above type of circumstances, I think the captains should pick
the 11th and 12th ranked players (at least most of the time). But they never
do that, and the captains feel compelled to come up with some wild rationale
for their captain's picks.
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