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Date: 26 Sep 2006 20:49:33
From: Piturno
Subject: David Pelz Putting Bible
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So I am reading this book because I'm committed to improving my short game.
Even before the 200th page, I had learned more about putting in a few days
of reading than in four years of playing, listening to playing partner tips,
reading golf digest and watching the golf channel. The book really is an
amazing piece of work regarding the flatstick. Last time I figured my
handicap it was a 10.1. I could really see myself going down to a 5 by the
next summer if I really work on my mechanical stroke all winter, pick up and
read his other book, the short game bible. In short, I think Pelz has a
wealth of knowledge and a great approach to teaching the short game.
However, when I got to chapter 12 I was a little taken aback. He suggests
using 7-8 of his putting aids like it is no big deal and a no brainer. I
looked up what some of these gadgets cost and some are only 12-14 bucks.
Ok, maybe if they truly work I could invest in them. But most of the items
are 50-100 bucks and one which he recommends is $500( the Lazraimer or
whatever). What do all of you think of Pelz's book and separately what do
you think about all his gadgets he sells? Any alternatives you would
recommend? I still think the book is an incredible resource, but am a
little put off by selling all these gadgets.
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 19:18:06
From: newellsatwsu
Subject: Re: David Pelz Putting Bible
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blakestah@gmail.com wrote:
> Make most of your putting practice at the distance
> from which you have roughly a 50/50 chance of making it. This
> is the distance at which practice will save you the most
> shots. There's a simple statistical reason why that
> has to do with Shannon and entropy.
Totally agree....esp. because I am bored to tears after about 20
minutes of 3 footers....and could care frickin less about boasting
about how many 3 footers I can make in a row. You're supposed to make
them....it almost seems like it's a bit counterintuative towards
building your confidence when you miss a couple of them. For this
reason, I like practicing the 5-15 footers with more regularity. Plus
I get a chance to hone my green reading skills while being able to more
easily mentally dispose of any misses.
> Ditto for the distance at which you have a 50/50 chance
> of 2 putting vs 3 putting. I do almost all my practice in the
> 4-6 ft range, and the 60-80 ft range. It translates quite
> well in between.
Agreed here as well. I work on both skills at the same time by
incorporating a spin on Pelz's double drawback game. I take three
balls to the putting green and drop them all in one spot at 30-80 feet.
Per Pelz prescription my goal is to knock all three within a putter
length beyond the hole (rarely does this happen). When one of them is
not in the zone, I take the worst effort of the three and add a putter
length to that result. I then take all three balls from that worse +
putter length and putt them three at a time from there until I make 2
outta 3 from that spot and keep repeating from that spot until I make 2
outta 3. There are times I don't move to often during a typical 60-120
minute session. There are also times when my 5-15 footers are spot on
and I feel like a million dollars about my stroke 45 minutes later.
The big thing is that is this practice method doesn't really undermine
my confidence for putting the 3-4-5 footers when tournament time comes
around. I think practicing the 8-10-12 footers on a regular basis
makes the 3-4-5 footers much easier mentally....and IMHO, mentally is a
much bigger deal when it comes to short putts than physically.
Also, I feel as though I'm more diligent about going through my
pre-shot/alignment routine when I have a 8-10-15 footer on the practice
green -- whereas in practicing three footer after three footer, I tend
to get a bit sloppy.
Yes, I go through spells of missing a few short putts here and there,
but my vists there are pretty few and far between. One of my few good
attributes in this game is that I'm a pretty good putter within 5-6
feet.
YMMV.
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Date: 03 Oct 2006 08:30:30
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: David Pelz Putting Bible
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On 2 Oct 2006 19:18:06 -0700, "newellsatwsu"
<newellatwsu@adelphia.net > wrote:
>blakestah@gmail.com wrote:
>> Make most of your putting practice at the distance
>> from which you have roughly a 50/50 chance of making it. This
>> is the distance at which practice will save you the most
>> shots. There's a simple statistical reason why that
>> has to do with Shannon and entropy.
>
>Totally agree....esp. because I am bored to tears after about 20
>minutes of 3 footers....and could care frickin less about boasting
>about how many 3 footers I can make in a row. You're supposed to make
>them....it almost seems like it's a bit counterintuative towards
>building your confidence when you miss a couple of them. For this
>reason, I like practicing the 5-15 footers with more regularity. Plus
>I get a chance to hone my green reading skills while being able to more
>easily mentally dispose of any misses.
>
>> Ditto for the distance at which you have a 50/50 chance
>> of 2 putting vs 3 putting. I do almost all my practice in the
>> 4-6 ft range, and the 60-80 ft range. It translates quite
>> well in between.
>
>Agreed here as well. I work on both skills at the same time by
>incorporating a spin on Pelz's double drawback game. I take three
>balls to the putting green and drop them all in one spot at 30-80 feet.
> Per Pelz prescription my goal is to knock all three within a putter
>length beyond the hole (rarely does this happen). When one of them is
>not in the zone, I take the worst effort of the three and add a putter
>length to that result. I then take all three balls from that worse +
>putter length and putt them three at a time from there until I make 2
>outta 3 from that spot and keep repeating from that spot until I make 2
>outta 3. There are times I don't move to often during a typical 60-120
>minute session. There are also times when my 5-15 footers are spot on
>and I feel like a million dollars about my stroke 45 minutes later.
>
>The big thing is that is this practice method doesn't really undermine
>my confidence for putting the 3-4-5 footers when tournament time comes
>around. I think practicing the 8-10-12 footers on a regular basis
>makes the 3-4-5 footers much easier mentally....and IMHO, mentally is a
>much bigger deal when it comes to short putts than physically.
>
>Also, I feel as though I'm more diligent about going through my
>pre-shot/alignment routine when I have a 8-10-15 footer on the practice
>green -- whereas in practicing three footer after three footer, I tend
>to get a bit sloppy.
>
>Yes, I go through spells of missing a few short putts here and there,
>but my vists there are pretty few and far between. One of my few good
>attributes in this game is that I'm a pretty good putter within 5-6
>feet.
>
>YMMV.
LOL.
Scott,
That is almost verbatim what I do. I don't make it to the range all
that much because I go to the range during lunch most of the time and
I like to go through the bucket slowly. But, I do hit the putting
green during lunch all the time. I've found that those short 30-45
minute practice sessions are like magic.
--
jvdp
Myke Plough-in-skee is not mentioned in this thread.
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com/files/OH_2006_make_a_putt.avi
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 21:01:57
From: Dene
Subject: Re: David Pelz Putting Bible
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Chris Bellomy wrote:
> Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
>
> : So the cure is this. Drink beer like Tex, starting 8 am.
> :
> : Strange game, isn't it?
>
> Golf, or life? :)
>
There's a difference?
-Greg
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 05:14:37
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: David Pelz Putting Bible
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Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
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: Chris Bellomy wrote:
: > Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
: >
: > : So the cure is this. Drink beer like Tex, starting 8 am.
: > :
: > : Strange game, isn't it?
: >
: > Golf, or life? :)
:
: There's a difference?
I don't think so. And see what lightening up in golf did
for you? (hint! hint!)
Seriously, it amazes me sometimes how universally applicable
the mental lessons of golf are in life.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 01 Oct 2006 21:17:13
From: long&left
Subject: Re: David Pelz Putting Bible
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Dene wrote:
> Chris Bellomy wrote:
>> Dene <gdstrue@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> : So the cure is this. Drink beer like Tex, starting 8 am.
>> :
>> : Strange game, isn't it?
>>
>> Golf, or life? :)
>>
>
> There's a difference?
>
> -Greg
>
not in my world...
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 11:30:42
From:
Subject: Re: David Pelz Putting Bible
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Dene wrote:
> In a nutshell, here is my problem. I cannot hit my line. It's one
> thing to mis-read a green....another thing to read it right and
> completely miss it. Generally my misses are pulls.
Make most of your putting practice at the distance
from which you have roughly a 50/50 chance of making it. This
is the distance at which practice will save you the most
shots. There's a simple statistical reason why that
has to do with Shannon and entropy.
Ditto for the distance at which you have a 50/50 chance
of 2 putting vs 3 putting. I do almost all my practice in the
4-6 ft range, and the 60-80 ft range. It translates quite
well in between.
For the near hole practce, start with a flat putt. Put a ball
k in the practice green. Set a target number to make in
a row. I might use, for example, 5 in a row on a 5-6 ft putt.
Just keep putting, try to make each one. Ultimately, after
3-4 putts, the line is defined, and your ability to get the ball
on the line at the right speed defines if you make it. Once
you hit your target, move the ball k 90 degrees around
the hole and repeat.
You can note NONE of this speaks at all to technique.
I don't believe in technique for putting, I believe in practice.
You make anyone hit the same 4 footer until they make it
five times in a row, and they will develop a consistent
putting stroke in which they accelerate through the
ball with a much shorter backswing than foreswing, and
use minimal wrist action.
Also, putter head weight seems to matter. I use a
very light putter, I can't putt worth a darn using one of those
odyssey two-ball putters. I tried it for months, but the head
weight is too much and I lost my feel. It might also have to
do with the fact that I reverse english my short putts ie: I
spin a R-to-L putt against the slope (hook spin), and spin
a L-to-R short putt with slice spin. A lot harder to do with a
heel-toe weighted putted than a simple blade. I didn't
realize I did this until I tried the odyssey, it is just easier
to make a 5 ft putt for me if I reverse english spin it.
-PA
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Date: 02 Oct 2006 15:14:39
From: Piturno
Subject: Re: David Pelz Putting Bible
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TROLL~!
<blakestah@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1159641042.928371.41730@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Dene wrote:
>
>> In a nutshell, here is my problem. I cannot hit my line. It's one
>> thing to mis-read a green....another thing to read it right and
>> completely miss it. Generally my misses are pulls.
>
> Make most of your putting practice at the distance
> from which you have roughly a 50/50 chance of making it. This
> is the distance at which practice will save you the most
> shots. There's a simple statistical reason why that
> has to do with Shannon and entropy.
>
> Ditto for the distance at which you have a 50/50 chance
> of 2 putting vs 3 putting. I do almost all my practice in the
> 4-6 ft range, and the 60-80 ft range. It translates quite
> well in between.
>
> For the near hole practce, start with a flat putt. Put a ball
> k in the practice green. Set a target number to make in
> a row. I might use, for example, 5 in a row on a 5-6 ft putt.
> Just keep putting, try to make each one. Ultimately, after
> 3-4 putts, the line is defined, and your ability to get the ball
> on the line at the right speed defines if you make it. Once
> you hit your target, move the ball k 90 degrees around
> the hole and repeat.
>
> You can note NONE of this speaks at all to technique.
> I don't believe in technique for putting, I believe in practice.
> You make anyone hit the same 4 footer until they make it
> five times in a row, and they will develop a consistent
> putting stroke in which they accelerate through the
> ball with a much shorter backswing than foreswing, and
> use minimal wrist action.
>
> Also, putter head weight seems to matter. I use a
> very light putter, I can't putt worth a darn using one of those
> odyssey two-ball putters. I tried it for months, but the head
> weight is too much and I lost my feel. It might also have to
> do with the fact that I reverse english my short putts ie: I
> spin a R-to-L putt against the slope (hook spin), and spin
> a L-to-R short putt with slice spin. A lot harder to do with a
> heel-toe weighted putted than a simple blade. I didn't
> realize I did this until I tried the odyssey, it is just easier
> to make a 5 ft putt for me if I reverse english spin it.
>
> -PA
>
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 09:56:06
From: Dene
Subject: Re: David Pelz Putting Bible
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long&left wrote:
>
> I've always believed in the same doctrine that Mike D preaches. Practice
> 2 and 3 foot putts until you're so sick of 2 and 3 ft putts you could
> vomit. That may not be exactly how he describes it but that's what I do
> (practice, not vomit). I also practice these putts using a tee as a
> target and not a hole. When I'm playing golf I quickly break a 15' putt
> down into 5 3 ft putts (visually), kinda like draw by numbers :)
>
> I also believe that everyone has their own distinct putting style/stroke
> that is right for them. Many have yet to find that style/stroke, or have
> found it only to be told by someone, like Dave Pelz, that it is
> incorrect. Mike D is certainly an example of someone who has found their
> own distinct style that works. Don't be afraid to experiment with
> unorthodox setups, grips, etc if you're having problems with your
> current setup. Left hand low used to be considered "weird" and wrong.
> The claw grip works for some. Try some different stuff while hitting
> your 100's of 2 and 3 ft putts ;)
>
> good luck in your quest for the putting Holy Grail :)
> Dave
Good posts Dave, Pete, and dsc. Thanks!
Weds...read your posts, then went to the course to play 9 by myself,
playing 2 balls all the way through and practicing putting on every
green. Brought extra putters and used them. Tried various grips, yoga
chants, etc. and walked away with a backache and few answers.
Next day, played with my Thursday group and hit numerous fairways and
greens, only to 3 putt 5 of the first 9 holes. Missed two 2-footers.
One in particular killed me. On a 175 yd. par 3, put it 10 feet from
the hole and settled for bogie.
On the back side, drank a rare beer, then settled on doing one thing
only. Relax before putting. Results were better. One three putt on
the 18 hole. Couple of nice one putt par saves.
So the cure is this. Drink beer like Tex, starting 8 am.
Strange game, isn't it?
-Greg
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 10:32:52
From: long&left
Subject: Re: David Pelz Putting Bible
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Dene wrote:
(snip)
> So the cure is this. Drink beer like Tex, starting 8 am.
>
> Strange game, isn't it?
>
> -Greg
>
I wonder if it would work for my driver? :)
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Date: 30 Sep 2006 17:11:47
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: David Pelz Putting Bible
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Dene <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
: So the cure is this. Drink beer like Tex, starting 8 am.
:
: Strange game, isn't it?
Golf, or life? :)
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 18:15:19
From: dsc
Subject: Re: David Pelz Putting Bible
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Ken Meltzer wrote:
> Dene wrote:
>
> > When you wake up, how about sharing some putting tips. I'M DESPERATE!
> >
> > In a nutshell, here is my problem. I cannot hit my line. It's one
> > thing to mis-read a green....another thing to read it right and
> > completely miss it. Generally my misses are pulls.
> >
> > -Greg
>
> One possibility might be that you don't complete your putting stroke in
> the position you started. If you give in to the temptation to watch
> the path of your ball, and to do that, you look up and rotate your body
> toward the target, it's very easy to pull.
> On shorter putts (under ten feet), I try to listen for the ball going
> in the cup, rather than watch it. I don't always hear that sound(!),
> but I make a lot more than I used to.
I'm a peeker... I've always been a peeker. I've gone through times when
I was a good putter and times when I'm not a good putter. I've tried to
putt without peeking, the results for me is usually a pull? Strange
game... huh? :)
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 13:35:59
From: pete z
Subject: Re: David Pelz Putting Bible
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Dene wrote:
> long&left wrote:
>
> >
> > while I loved Pelz's Short Game Bible, his Putting Bible left me drop
> > jawwed and uninspired. Way to much techno BS for me and a really tough
> > read. But then I'm a dumb shit...but a good putter already :)
>
> Hate to say this but I agree with your assessment of his book, Dave. I
> almost said ditto except that I'm st and can't putt a lick. :>
>
> Confession---> Last Sunday, 15 fairways, 12 GIR's, 41 putts = 86.
> Even worse, it wasn't an anomaly. I've been doing this all summer.
>
> Can't blame the equipment. I use my father Ping Anser 2 and he was a
> helluva putter.
>
> -Greg
Ever tried hypnosis? Seriously. If I took that many putts I'd be
shooting in the low hundreds, and I'm shooting around ... 86. :-) And
I consider myself only a mediocre putter. I would try a face balanced
putter too. The Anser is a more inside square
type putter. I can't use that type. I use a center shafted white hot.
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 10:54:02
From: RockPile
Subject: Re: David Pelz Putting Bible
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>
> The best advice in the book, IMO, is how most amateurs under read the
> "True break" by 2/3rds.
I wholeheartedly agree. That and the explanation of why (because the
ball ever rollas toward the true aiming point, it starts breaking
immediately) was game changing to my putting.
After you try to separate the read from the stroke (all putts are hit
straight), I can feel when the subconscious adjustments happen (after
they have screwed up the putt, unfortunately). I can often be heard
muttering to myself over the ball "Trust the line", because over the
ball, the line sometimes feels completely wrong. I have to trust the
fact that I can line up a ball from behind it better than I can over
it.
RockPile
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 09:36:29
From: Ken Meltzer
Subject: Re: David Pelz Putting Bible
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Dene wrote:
> When you wake up, how about sharing some putting tips. I'M DESPERATE!
>
> In a nutshell, here is my problem. I cannot hit my line. It's one
> thing to mis-read a green....another thing to read it right and
> completely miss it. Generally my misses are pulls.
>
> -Greg
One possibility might be that you don't complete your putting stroke in
the position you started. If you give in to the temptation to watch
the path of your ball, and to do that, you look up and rotate your body
toward the target, it's very easy to pull.
On shorter putts (under ten feet), I try to listen for the ball going
in the cup, rather than watch it. I don't always hear that sound(!),
but I make a lot more than I used to.
Best,
Ken
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 09:17:59
From: Dene
Subject: Re: David Pelz Putting Bible
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long&left wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> > long&left wrote:
> >
> >> while I loved Pelz's Short Game Bible, his Putting Bible left me drop
> >> jawwed and uninspired. Way to much techno BS for me and a really tough
> >> read. But then I'm a dumb shit...but a good putter already :)
> >
> > Hate to say this but I agree with your assessment of his book, Dave. I
> > almost said ditto except that I'm st and can't putt a lick. :>
> >
>
> gasp! I think I feel faint ;-P
When you wake up, how about sharing some putting tips. I'M DESPERATE!
In a nutshell, here is my problem. I cannot hit my line. It's one
thing to mis-read a green....another thing to read it right and
completely miss it. Generally my misses are pulls.
-Greg
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 10:29:41
From: long&left
Subject: Re: David Pelz Putting Bible
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Dene wrote:
> long&left wrote:
>> Dene wrote:
>>> long&left wrote:
>>>
>>>> while I loved Pelz's Short Game Bible, his Putting Bible left me drop
>>>> jawwed and uninspired. Way to much techno BS for me and a really tough
>>>> read. But then I'm a dumb shit...but a good putter already :)
>>> Hate to say this but I agree with your assessment of his book, Dave. I
>>> almost said ditto except that I'm st and can't putt a lick. :>
>>>
>> gasp! I think I feel faint ;-P
>
> When you wake up, how about sharing some putting tips. I'M DESPERATE!
>
> In a nutshell, here is my problem. I cannot hit my line. It's one
> thing to mis-read a green....another thing to read it right and
> completely miss it. Generally my misses are pulls.
>
> -Greg
>
I've always believed in the same doctrine that Mike D preaches. Practice
2 and 3 foot putts until you're so sick of 2 and 3 ft putts you could
vomit. That may not be exactly how he describes it but that's what I do
(practice, not vomit). I also practice these putts using a tee as a
target and not a hole. When I'm playing golf I quickly break a 15' putt
down into 5 3 ft putts (visually), kinda like draw by numbers :)
I also believe that everyone has their own distinct putting style/stroke
that is right for them. Many have yet to find that style/stroke, or have
found it only to be told by someone, like Dave Pelz, that it is
incorrect. Mike D is certainly an example of someone who has found their
own distinct style that works. Don't be afraid to experiment with
unorthodox setups, grips, etc if you're having problems with your
current setup. Left hand low used to be considered "weird" and wrong.
The claw grip works for some. Try some different stuff while hitting
your 100's of 2 and 3 ft putts ;)
good luck in your quest for the putting Holy Grail :)
Dave
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 09:15:46
From: Dene
Subject: Re: David Pelz Putting Bible
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S McFarlane wrote:
>
> Damn. This game sucks. I'm zeroing in on about 86. If you gave me 12
> GIR's, I'd shoot around 76. If you had my average 31 putts, you'd shoot
> about the same.
>
> Scott
You have no idea how painful it was to read this, Scott. : >
-Greg
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 09:07:15
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: David Pelz Putting Bible
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> However, when I got to chapter 12 I was a little taken aback. He suggests
> using 7-8 of his putting aids like it is no big deal and a no brainer. I
> looked up what some of these gadgets cost and some are only 12-14 bucks.
> Ok, maybe if they truly work I could invest in them. But most of the items
> are 50-100 bucks and one which he recommends is $500( the Lazraimer or
> whatever). What do all of you think of Pelz's book and separately what do
> you think about all his gadgets he sells? Any alternatives you would
> recommend? I still think the book is an incredible resource, but am a
> little put off by selling all these gadgets.
So don't buy them. His putting advice is still sound, and most of
those gadgets you can build yourself for a few bucks. Stick a mirror
on the floor to get your eyes over the ball, put a couple of 2x4s on
the ground to simulate his putting track, etc.
The best advice in the book, IMO, is how most amateurs under read the
"True break" by 2/3rds.
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 15:01:55
From: jeffc
Subject: Re: David Pelz Putting Bible
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"Piturno" <stringent@aol.com > wrote in message
news:GP6dnfpUM-0DV4TYnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@adelphia.com...
> However, when I got to chapter 12 I was a little taken aback. He suggests
> using 7-8 of his putting aids like it is no big deal and a no brainer. I
> looked up what some of these gadgets cost and some are only 12-14 bucks.
> Ok, maybe if they truly work I could invest in them. But most of the
> items are 50-100 bucks and one which he recommends is $500( the Lazraimer
> or whatever). What do all of you think of Pelz's book and separately what
> do you think about all his gadgets he sells? Any alternatives you would
> recommend? I still think the book is an incredible resource, but am a
> little put off by selling all these gadgets.
Great question. Well, I would say his gadgets are good, useful and of high
quality. At the same time, you can't help but thinking they're overpriced.
Regardless, they're expensive. He has a name for himself and he knows it,
so he charges a premium. Problem is, I haven't seen the same things
elsewhere and they are a pain to make yourself.
Well, for some of the simpler gadgets he does give free or cheap
alternatives. For example, for the ball spinner he explains how to float a
ball in saltwater instead. For the TruPutt, it's only $13 but you can
easily make that yourself with 25 cents worth of PVC pipe. The TruRoller
you could probably come up with on your own with some effort. (And by the
way, I'd bet a lot of money that the vast majority of golfers would be
shocked by using this device. They think the putting stroke is so
important, but they would probably putt worth crap even if they used the
TruRoller out on the golf course, and that thing gives you virtual putting
perfection. Judging the correct line, break and pace are a lot harder than
most people think.)
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 05:14:50
From: The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan
Subject: Re: David Pelz Putting Bible
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"Piturno" <stringent@aol.com > wrote in message
news:GP6dnfpUM-0DV4TYnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@adelphia.com...
> So I am reading this book because I'm committed to improving my short
> game. Even before the 200th page, I had learned more about putting in a
> few days of reading than in four years of playing, listening to playing
> partner tips, reading golf digest and watching the golf channel. The book
> really is an amazing piece of work regarding the flatstick. Last time I
> figured my handicap it was a 10.1. I could really see myself going down
> to a 5 by the next summer if I really work on my mechanical stroke all
> winter, pick up and read his other book, the short game bible. In short,
> I think Pelz has a wealth of knowledge and a great approach to teaching
> the short game. However, when I got to chapter 12 I was a little taken
> aback. He suggests using 7-8 of his putting aids like it is no big deal
> and a no brainer. I looked up what some of these gadgets cost and some
> are only 12-14 bucks. Ok, maybe if they truly work I could invest in them.
> But most of the items are 50-100 bucks and one which he recommends is
> $500( the Lazraimer or whatever). What do all of you think of Pelz's book
> and separately what do you think about all his gadgets he sells? Any
> alternatives you would recommend? I still think the book is an incredible
> resource, but am a little put off by selling all these gadgets.
Some things he sells you can make yourself. In his Short Game book, he uses
a few pieces of pcv pipe to make a driving range alignment aid and in his
putting book, he has a lenght of pipe with stripes on it so you can put it
and watch it roll & see if it rolls straight. Cheap and even cheaper if you
make your own.
The laser device is pricey and most people would not buy it. But you can
buy a cheap laser pointer and attach it and see the alignment of your club
face.
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 22:02:07
From: Dene
Subject: Re: David Pelz Putting Bible
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long&left wrote:
>
> while I loved Pelz's Short Game Bible, his Putting Bible left me drop
> jawwed and uninspired. Way to much techno BS for me and a really tough
> read. But then I'm a dumb shit...but a good putter already :)
Hate to say this but I agree with your assessment of his book, Dave. I
almost said ditto except that I'm st and can't putt a lick. : >
Confession--- > Last Sunday, 15 fairways, 12 GIR's, 41 putts = 86.
Even worse, it wasn't an anomaly. I've been doing this all summer.
Can't blame the equipment. I use my father Ping Anser 2 and he was a
helluva putter.
-Greg
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 08:28:47
From: long&left
Subject: Re: David Pelz Putting Bible
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Dene wrote:
> long&left wrote:
>
>> while I loved Pelz's Short Game Bible, his Putting Bible left me drop
>> jawwed and uninspired. Way to much techno BS for me and a really tough
>> read. But then I'm a dumb shit...but a good putter already :)
>
> Hate to say this but I agree with your assessment of his book, Dave. I
> almost said ditto except that I'm st and can't putt a lick. :>
>
gasp! I think I feel faint ;-P
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 05:51:05
From: S McFarlane
Subject: Re: David Pelz Putting Bible
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"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1159333327.771748.228020@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> long&left wrote:
>
>>
>> while I loved Pelz's Short Game Bible, his Putting Bible left me drop
>> jawwed and uninspired. Way to much techno BS for me and a really tough
>> read. But then I'm a dumb shit...but a good putter already :)
>
> Hate to say this but I agree with your assessment of his book, Dave. I
> almost said ditto except that I'm st and can't putt a lick. :>
>
> Confession---> Last Sunday, 15 fairways, 12 GIR's, 41 putts = 86.
> Even worse, it wasn't an anomaly. I've been doing this all summer.
>
Damn. This game sucks. I'm zeroing in on about 86. If you gave me 12
GIR's, I'd shoot around 76. If you had my average 31 putts, you'd shoot
about the same.
Scott
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 18:18:08
From: long&left
Subject: Re: David Pelz Putting Bible
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Piturno wrote:
> So I am reading this book because I'm committed to improving my short game.
> Even before the 200th page, I had learned more about putting in a few days
> of reading than in four years of playing, listening to playing partner tips,
> reading golf digest and watching the golf channel. The book really is an
> amazing piece of work regarding the flatstick. Last time I figured my
> handicap it was a 10.1. I could really see myself going down to a 5 by the
> next summer if I really work on my mechanical stroke all winter, pick up and
> read his other book, the short game bible. In short, I think Pelz has a
> wealth of knowledge and a great approach to teaching the short game.
> However, when I got to chapter 12 I was a little taken aback. He suggests
> using 7-8 of his putting aids like it is no big deal and a no brainer. I
> looked up what some of these gadgets cost and some are only 12-14 bucks.
> Ok, maybe if they truly work I could invest in them. But most of the items
> are 50-100 bucks and one which he recommends is $500( the Lazraimer or
> whatever). What do all of you think of Pelz's book and separately what do
> you think about all his gadgets he sells? Any alternatives you would
> recommend? I still think the book is an incredible resource, but am a
> little put off by selling all these gadgets.
>
>
while I loved Pelz's Short Game Bible, his Putting Bible left me drop
jawwed and uninspired. Way to much techno BS for me and a really tough
read. But then I'm a dumb shit...but a good putter already :)
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