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Date: 25 Sep 2006 00:19:52
From: Brian Foster
Subject: Congrats Euros, Hey USA (PGA) we got a big problem!
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What a blood bath. The Euros looked like professionals and the USA Ryder cup
team looked like amatures. Very bad amatures....
It is not easy, fun, or pleasing in any way to say that..... but hey, we got
our asses kicked.
For all the folks saying it was because the Euros are much looser and having
a better time, I think that is highly over stated. We could of put a troop
of comedians with the USA team, and they still would of sucked.
I think we got a bigger problem. I think some of the guys on the USA team
don't like each other, and don't want their teammates to do well. I think
this is a vacation week W/the wife for some of these guys, and they could
give a shit less about the outcome. Phil hates Tiger and Vice Versa. They
don't want to play together or even be in the same clothes. Too bad because
it makes for great theater during the PGA season but it makes for really
weak, pathetic Ryder Cup teams.
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 11:49:09
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Congrats Euros, Hey USA (PGA) we got a big problem!
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> Maybe they should have a much more winner-take-all prize fund in the PGA
> tour. $1m for first, $100K for second, $10K for third and that's it.
How is it "winner take all" when you're paying out for first through
third?!?!
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 08:18:53
From: damnyankee
Subject: Re: Congrats Euros, Hey USA (PGA) we got a big problem!
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>
> First mistake made, Lehman playing Tiger and Furyk together...If those
> guys are really #1 and #2 in the World, pair them with *anyone* else
> and your chances go from 4 points possbile between them to 8 points
> possible between them. With a 50% success rating, that's 4 points for
> the USA instead of 2.
Exactly what I've been thinking. How much more confidence could one of
the rookies get than playing with and maybe winning a point(s) with the
#1 or #2 guy. It could have carried into the later matches. It must
be a U.S. thing though, didn't Sutton do the same thing in the last
Ryder? But then that makes Lehman even dumber, didn't he pay attention
to that event?
Bryan
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 08:06:33
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Congrats Euros, Hey USA (PGA) we got a big problem!
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John van der Pflum wrote:
> Not gonna happen. Tiger will stomp on that little punk. I would have
> **loved** to see a Tiger/Sergio match.
> --
Didn't get enough of it at the Open Championship, huh?
I think the results would be about the same.
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 11:16:56
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Congrats Euros, Hey USA (PGA) we got a big problem!
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On 26 Sep 2006 08:06:33 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com >
wrote:
>
>John van der Pflum wrote:
>> Not gonna happen. Tiger will stomp on that little punk. I would have
>> **loved** to see a Tiger/Sergio match.
>> --
>
>Didn't get enough of it at the Open Championship, huh?
>
>I think the results would be about the same.
Nope. For some reason, Sergio is one of those guys that rubs me the
wrong way. I love to see him take it on the chin.
--
jvdp
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 04:57:25
From: oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com
Subject: Re: Congrats Euros, Hey USA (PGA) we got a big problem!
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William A. T. Clark wrote:
[snip]
> Agreed, it seems to me that what you want in a fourball is one
> shotmaker/gambler to go for the birdies and one plodder to keep the
> other ball in play. I don't think Lehman had the mixing quite right,
> although he could only play the hand he was dealt, and that left him
> with too many plodders.
He had a chance to pick two guys on his own and he picked two
more plodders. Tiger has a quote out today suggesting that the
team needs some young blood. Before the matches, when the
usual suspects weren't playing well (Davis, Couples et. al) I
thought maybe Lehman ought to have considered some of the
youngin's like Bubba Watson, Sean O'Hair, etc. His team was
long in the tooth and might have benefitted from some youth.
It'da taken some guts though to pass all the standard suspects
and pick someone who basically would have been looking like
a flash in the pan.
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 16:09:34
From: David
Subject: Re: Congrats Euros, Hey USA (PGA) we got a big problem!
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On 26 Sep 2006 04:57:25 -0700, "oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com"
<oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com > wrote:
>
>William A. T. Clark wrote:
>[snip]
>> Agreed, it seems to me that what you want in a fourball is one
>> shotmaker/gambler to go for the birdies and one plodder to keep the
>> other ball in play. I don't think Lehman had the mixing quite right,
>> although he could only play the hand he was dealt, and that left him
>> with too many plodders.
>
> He had a chance to pick two guys on his own and he picked two
>more plodders. Tiger has a quote out today suggesting that the
>team needs some young blood. Before the matches, when the
>usual suspects weren't playing well (Davis, Couples et. al) I
>thought maybe Lehman ought to have considered some of the
>youngin's like Bubba Watson, Sean O'Hair, etc. His team was
>long in the tooth and might have benefitted from some youth.
>It'da taken some guts though to pass all the standard suspects
>and pick someone who basically would have been looking like
>a flash in the pan.
I had not really thought about this too much. To me, there were not
any truly great picks available to Lehman. Personally, I would have
picked Love III--he was playing some very good golf in the last few
events and had plenty of Ryder Cup experience.
Having said that, though, Cink and Verplank were two of three
players to win their singles matches on Sunday. Cink started out so
hot he could have beat anyone--except Furyk and Casey, perhaps.
He could have picked two guys who may not have deserved to be there
but have the potential--if they would get their heads out of their
asses. So, pick a golfer like Howell III, maybe. Perhaps after
getting a taste of the Ryder Cup atmosphere he plays harder, since he
wants to definitely go back again and again. Bubba Watson may not be
such a bad choice for this, either.
Golf next year is going to be very interesting of the young
europeans can carry over the momentum. Casey looks like a shoe-in for
a few majors, as does Garcia (what is wrong wtih this kid?), Stenton
(who will play ful time in the US next year), and maybe Clark can pull
it together for one.
David
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 11:01:29
From: Tex
Subject: Re: Congrats Euros, Hey USA (PGA) we got a big problem!
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Brian Foster wrote:
> What a blood bath. The Euros looked like professionals and the USA Ryder cup
> team looked like amatures. Very bad amatures....
> It is not easy, fun, or pleasing in any way to say that..... but hey, we got
> our asses kicked.
>
> For all the folks saying it was because the Euros are much looser and having
> a better time, I think that is highly over stated. We could of put a troop
> of comedians with the USA team, and they still would of sucked.
>
> I think we got a bigger problem. I think some of the guys on the USA team
> don't like each other, and don't want their teammates to do well. I think
> this is a vacation week W/the wife for some of these guys, and they could
> give a shit less about the outcome. Phil hates Tiger and Vice Versa. They
> don't want to play together or even be in the same clothes. Too bad because
> it makes for great theater during the PGA season but it makes for really
> weak, pathetic Ryder Cup teams.
First mistake made, Lehman playing Tiger and Furyk together...If those
guys are really #1 and #2 in the World, pair them with *anyone* else
and your chances go from 4 points possbile between them to 8 points
possible between them. With a 50% success rating, that's 4 points for
the USA instead of 2. Second mistake made, Lehman not using Verplank
enough. That's a player you want in Alternate Shot, period. He's
always in play. Can't ask for much more than that!
The intangible you can't match against the Euros is they sit in the pub
and bond. Half our team was probably in a prayer meeting while the
other half was sitting around a caviar tray. Give me the team that
bonds in the Pub any day over the team that prays.
Not saying you gotta get loaded up either!
Tex
p.s. if Sergio ever starts acting like each week is a Ryder Cup and
he's winning for Europe...Tiger is fucked.
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 17:38:57
From: Crispin Roche
Subject: Re: Congrats Euros, Hey USA (PGA) we got a big problem!
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On 25 Sep 2006 11:01:29 -0700, "Tex" <ktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>Brian Foster wrote:
>> What a blood bath. The Euros looked like professionals and the USA Ryder cup
>> team looked like amatures. Very bad amatures....
>> It is not easy, fun, or pleasing in any way to say that..... but hey, we got
>> our asses kicked.
>>
>> For all the folks saying it was because the Euros are much looser and having
>> a better time, I think that is highly over stated. We could of put a troop
>> of comedians with the USA team, and they still would of sucked.
>>
>> I think we got a bigger problem. I think some of the guys on the USA team
>> don't like each other, and don't want their teammates to do well. I think
>> this is a vacation week W/the wife for some of these guys, and they could
>> give a shit less about the outcome. Phil hates Tiger and Vice Versa. They
>> don't want to play together or even be in the same clothes. Too bad because
>> it makes for great theater during the PGA season but it makes for really
>> weak, pathetic Ryder Cup teams.
>
>First mistake made, Lehman playing Tiger and Furyk together...If those
>guys are really #1 and #2 in the World, pair them with *anyone* else
>and your chances go from 4 points possbile between them to 8 points
>possible between them. With a 50% success rating, that's 4 points for
>the USA instead of 2. Second mistake made, Lehman not using Verplank
>enough. That's a player you want in Alternate Shot, period. He's
>always in play. Can't ask for much more than that!
>
Not sure I agree with that. I suspect partnering Woods in a 4 ball
match is as intimidating as being in the final group with him on a
Sunday. And if he plays as poorly as he did on Friday and Saturday
then its going to be just equally demoralising.
>The intangible you can't match against the Euros is they sit in the pub
>and bond. Half our team was probably in a prayer meeting while the
>other half was sitting around a caviar tray. Give me the team that
>bonds in the Pub any day over the team that prays.
>Not saying you gotta get loaded up either!
>
>Tex
>p.s. if Sergio ever starts acting like each week is a Ryder Cup and
>he's winning for Europe...Tiger is fucked.
p.p.s. if Paul Casey keeps playing like he did last week and at the
Ryder Cup both Sergio and Tiger are fucked.
Crispin Roche
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 06:45:52
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Congrats Euros, Hey USA (PGA) we got a big problem!
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In article <1159207288.991363.177350@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com >,
"Tex" <ktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:
> Brian Foster wrote:
> > What a blood bath. The Euros looked like professionals and the USA Ryder cup
> > team looked like amatures. Very bad amatures....
> > It is not easy, fun, or pleasing in any way to say that..... but hey, we got
> > our asses kicked.
> >
> > For all the folks saying it was because the Euros are much looser and having
> > a better time, I think that is highly over stated. We could of put a troop
> > of comedians with the USA team, and they still would of sucked.
> >
> > I think we got a bigger problem. I think some of the guys on the USA team
> > don't like each other, and don't want their teammates to do well. I think
> > this is a vacation week W/the wife for some of these guys, and they could
> > give a shit less about the outcome. Phil hates Tiger and Vice Versa. They
> > don't want to play together or even be in the same clothes. Too bad because
> > it makes for great theater during the PGA season but it makes for really
> > weak, pathetic Ryder Cup teams.
>
> First mistake made, Lehman playing Tiger and Furyk together...If those
> guys are really #1 and #2 in the World, pair them with *anyone* else
> and your chances go from 4 points possbile between them to 8 points
> possible between them. With a 50% success rating, that's 4 points for
> the USA instead of 2. Second mistake made, Lehman not using Verplank
> enough. That's a player you want in Alternate Shot, period. He's
> always in play. Can't ask for much more than that!
>
> The intangible you can't match against the Euros is they sit in the pub
> and bond. Half our team was probably in a prayer meeting while the
> other half was sitting around a caviar tray. Give me the team that
> bonds in the Pub any day over the team that prays.
> Not saying you gotta get loaded up either!
>
> Tex
> p.s. if Sergio ever starts acting like each week is a Ryder Cup and
> he's winning for Europe...Tiger is fucked.
Agreed, it seems to me that what you want in a fourball is one
shotmaker/gambler to go for the birdies and one plodder to keep the
other ball in play. I don't think Lehman had the mixing quite right,
although he could only play the hand he was dealt, and that left him
with too many plodders.
William Clark
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 14:20:14
From: Howard9
Subject: Re: Congrats Euros, Hey USA (PGA) we got a big problem!
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In article <clark.31-860477.06455226092006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
state.edu >, clark.31@osu.edu says...
> Agreed, it seems to me that what you want in a fourball is one
> shotmaker/gambler to go for the birdies and one plodder to keep the
> other ball in play. I don't think Lehman had the mixing quite right,
> although he could only play the hand he was dealt, and that left him
> with too many plodders.
>
It also seems to me that if the European Tour want to really boost tv
ratings, attendances and prize money in Europe they should introduce a
few more match play championships. The public love them here in Europe
and people are glued to them from the very first hole. Another advantage
is making certain we will stuff the US in future Ryder Cups if they
don't do the same.
--
Howard
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 09:41:08
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Congrats Euros, Hey USA (PGA) we got a big problem!
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On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:20:14 +0100, Howard9 <fictional@email.com >
wrote:
>In article <clark.31-860477.06455226092006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
>state.edu>, clark.31@osu.edu says...
>> Agreed, it seems to me that what you want in a fourball is one
>> shotmaker/gambler to go for the birdies and one plodder to keep the
>> other ball in play. I don't think Lehman had the mixing quite right,
>> although he could only play the hand he was dealt, and that left him
>> with too many plodders.
>>
>It also seems to me that if the European Tour want to really boost tv
>ratings, attendances and prize money in Europe they should introduce a
>few more match play championships. The public love them here in Europe
>and people are glued to them from the very first hole. Another advantage
>is making certain we will stuff the US in future Ryder Cups if they
>don't do the same.
There's been a 64-man match play championship on the PGA Tour for a
few years now. It hasn't seemed to help much.
--
jvdp
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 00:22:43
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Congrats Euros, Hey USA (PGA) we got a big problem!
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On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:41:08 -0400, John van der Pflum
<jpflumjr@ughookugh.com > wrote:
>There's been a 64-man match play championship on the PGA Tour for a
>few years now. It hasn't seemed to help much.
But not team play.
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 15:16:50
From: Howard9
Subject: Re: Congrats Euros, Hey USA (PGA) we got a big problem!
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In article <h5bih25t9sfkkljnsrli5kvcuupdejolbp@4ax.com >,
jpflumjr@ughookugh.com says...
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:20:14 +0100, Howard9 <fictional@email.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <clark.31-860477.06455226092006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
> >state.edu>, clark.31@osu.edu says...
> >> Agreed, it seems to me that what you want in a fourball is one
> >> shotmaker/gambler to go for the birdies and one plodder to keep the
> >> other ball in play. I don't think Lehman had the mixing quite right,
> >> although he could only play the hand he was dealt, and that left him
> >> with too many plodders.
> >>
> >It also seems to me that if the European Tour want to really boost tv
> >ratings, attendances and prize money in Europe they should introduce a
> >few more match play championships. The public love them here in Europe
> >and people are glued to them from the very first hole. Another advantage
> >is making certain we will stuff the US in future Ryder Cups if they
> >don't do the same.
>
> There's been a 64-man match play championship on the PGA Tour for a
> few years now. It hasn't seemed to help much.
One ? And it has helped a lot clearly.
--
Howard
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Date: 26 Sep 2006 11:17:53
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Congrats Euros, Hey USA (PGA) we got a big problem!
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On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:16:50 +0100, Howard9 <fictional@email.com >
wrote:
>In article <h5bih25t9sfkkljnsrli5kvcuupdejolbp@4ax.com>,
>jpflumjr@ughookugh.com says...
>> On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:20:14 +0100, Howard9 <fictional@email.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <clark.31-860477.06455226092006@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
>> >state.edu>, clark.31@osu.edu says...
>> >> Agreed, it seems to me that what you want in a fourball is one
>> >> shotmaker/gambler to go for the birdies and one plodder to keep the
>> >> other ball in play. I don't think Lehman had the mixing quite right,
>> >> although he could only play the hand he was dealt, and that left him
>> >> with too many plodders.
>> >>
>> >It also seems to me that if the European Tour want to really boost tv
>> >ratings, attendances and prize money in Europe they should introduce a
>> >few more match play championships. The public love them here in Europe
>> >and people are glued to them from the very first hole. Another advantage
>> >is making certain we will stuff the US in future Ryder Cups if they
>> >don't do the same.
>>
>> There's been a 64-man match play championship on the PGA Tour for a
>> few years now. It hasn't seemed to help much.
>
>One ? And it has helped a lot clearly.
>
Exactly.
--
jvdp
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 14:57:48
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Congrats Euros, Hey USA (PGA) we got a big problem!
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On 25 Sep 2006 11:01:29 -0700, "Tex" <ktexkoenig@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>Tex
>p.s. if Sergio ever starts acting like each week is a Ryder Cup and
>he's winning for Europe...Tiger is fucked.
Not gonna happen. Tiger will stomp on that little punk. I would have
**loved** to see a Tiger/Sergio match.
--
jvdp
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 10:45:30
From: wdyw
Subject: Re: Congrats Euros, Hey USA (PGA) we got a big problem!
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oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com wrote:
> Europe has a good pool of talent. That may change in the future,
> but it can take a good long time. We got waxed, AGAIN, by at
> least 4 points. Pick the four we somehow should have won. Then
> watch the Euros' pick the 6 they could have. We got beat, and
> we're gonna get beat again. It may be in 2 years. What goes
> around comes around and it's coming around ALOT these days.
> At the very least it's a good reason to drink Kentucky whiskey.
Considering Europeans have won the last two US amateur championships,
while the world ranked number 1 amateur stayed at home to win the
European amateur championship the same week, I've got a feeling that
the Euros are only going to be getting stronger.
More and more journeymen pros are migrating from the Euro tour to the
PGA tour as the pickings are relatively easy. More money and equal/less
competition for a big pay day.
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 14:41:40
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Congrats Euros, Hey USA (PGA) we got a big problem!
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In article <1159206330.067691.238080@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com >,
"wdyw" <wdyw@aol.com > wrote:
> oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com wrote:
> > Europe has a good pool of talent. That may change in the future,
> > but it can take a good long time. We got waxed, AGAIN, by at
> > least 4 points. Pick the four we somehow should have won. Then
> > watch the Euros' pick the 6 they could have. We got beat, and
> > we're gonna get beat again. It may be in 2 years. What goes
> > around comes around and it's coming around ALOT these days.
> > At the very least it's a good reason to drink Kentucky whiskey.
>
> Considering Europeans have won the last two US amateur championships,
> while the world ranked number 1 amateur stayed at home to win the
> European amateur championship the same week, I've got a feeling that
> the Euros are only going to be getting stronger.
>
> More and more journeymen pros are migrating from the Euro tour to the
> PGA tour as the pickings are relatively easy. More money and equal/less
> competition for a big pay day.
Another point is that the four youngest players in this Ryder Cup were
all Europeans.
Hmmmmm.
William Clark
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 06:32:46
From: oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com
Subject: Re: Congrats Euros, Hey USA (PGA) we got a big problem!
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Brian Foster wrote:
[snip]
> I think we got a bigger problem. I think some of the guys on the USA team
> don't like each other, and don't want their teammates to do well.
[snip]
I've bought into all the explainations over the years. Our
selection
system is flawed, it's bad captians picks, bad pairings, poor team
spirit, whatever. But basically we've lost all of them for what, the
last 12 years? Yeah, I know, Brookline. But let's be real, it
was the exceptions of exceptions. This on the other hand is
now 2 in a row.
I hate to bring in a US centric sports metaphor but I'm reminded of
the Baseball All Star Game. It goes through streaks where on
league or another seems to win year after year. You get all the
reasons in the world, but when you get right down to it, sometimes
one league just has a better collection of talent than the other. And
since the two leagues didn't swap players all that much, it could
stay that way for a good long time.
Europe has a good pool of talent. That may change in the future,
but it can take a good long time. We got waxed, AGAIN, by at
least 4 points. Pick the four we somehow should have won. Then
watch the Euros' pick the 6 they could have. We got beat, and
we're gonna get beat again. It may be in 2 years. What goes
around comes around and it's coming around ALOT these days.
At the very least it's a good reason to drink Kentucky whiskey.
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 06:15:40
From:
Subject: Re: Congrats Euros, Hey USA (PGA) we got a big problem!
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Brian Foster wrote:
> What a blood bath. The Euros looked like professionals and the USA Ryder cup
> team looked like amatures. Very bad amatures....
> It is not easy, fun, or pleasing in any way to say that..... but hey, we got
> our asses kicked.
>
> For all the folks saying it was because the Euros are much looser and having
> a better time, I think that is highly over stated. We could of put a troop
> of comedians with the USA team, and they still would of sucked.
>
> I think we got a bigger problem. I think some of the guys on the USA team
> don't like each other, and don't want their teammates to do well. I think
> this is a vacation week W/the wife for some of these guys, and they could
> give a shit less about the outcome. Phil hates Tiger and Vice Versa. They
> don't want to play together or even be in the same clothes. Too bad because
> it makes for great theater during the PGA season but it makes for really
> weak, pathetic Ryder Cup teams.
As a fan of golf, IMO Phil proved in june of this year he is not that
great. Since playing 18 like a amature who had never been there before,
he has looked like a deer frozen in the headlights. I think the system
that has him as a top player in the world ranking is flawed. Perhaps we
should rework the system? I agree in the observation that our boys have
little to no team spirit.-
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Date: 24 Sep 2006 18:43:57
From: long&left
Subject: Re: Congrats Euros, Hey USA (PGA) we got a big problem!
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Brian Foster wrote:
> What a blood bath. The Euros looked like professionals and the USA Ryder cup
> team looked like amatures. Very bad amatures....
> It is not easy, fun, or pleasing in any way to say that..... but hey, we got
> our asses kicked.
>
> For all the folks saying it was because the Euros are much looser and having
> a better time, I think that is highly over stated. We could of put a troop
> of comedians with the USA team, and they still would of sucked.
>
> I think we got a bigger problem. I think some of the guys on the USA team
> don't like each other, and don't want their teammates to do well. I think
> this is a vacation week W/the wife for some of these guys, and they could
> give a shit less about the outcome. Phil hates Tiger and Vice Versa. They
> don't want to play together or even be in the same clothes. Too bad because
> it makes for great theater during the PGA season but it makes for really
> weak, pathetic Ryder Cup teams.
>
>
Hey Brian...did you ever think that maybe the 12 Euro players were
better overall than the 12 US players this year? I agree that it doesn't
have anything to do with yukking it up or not...it comes down to
skillfully playing the game of golf when the trophy's on the line and
the Euros are doing it better than we are. Simple as that.
I truly believe that the US's bad results in the RC lately are for the
same reason that top 25 golfers on the US PGA tour cannot perform on
Sunday to overtake Tiger to win a tournament. They have no Sunday killer
instinct, and as they can come in second or third and make 3/4 of a
million dollars who needs to win anymore. Winning is not the Holy Grail
it was back when Nicklaus, Watson, Trevino et al were playing
professional golf. Making a living is all that counts. You're not going
to starve to death coming in 15th in all of your PGA tour event starts
so why have a "win or nothing" attitude?...another Tiger result IMO
Dave
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 10:14:22
From: MichaelJP
Subject: Re: Congrats Euros, Hey USA (PGA) we got a big problem!
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"long&left" <nospam@diespammers.com > wrote in message
news:xvGRg.959$av1.647@newsfe07.lga...
> Brian Foster wrote:
>> What a blood bath. The Euros looked like professionals and the USA Ryder
>> cup team looked like amatures. Very bad amatures....
>> It is not easy, fun, or pleasing in any way to say that..... but hey, we
>> got our asses kicked.
>>
>> For all the folks saying it was because the Euros are much looser and
>> having a better time, I think that is highly over stated. We could of put
>> a troop of comedians with the USA team, and they still would of sucked.
>>
>> I think we got a bigger problem. I think some of the guys on the USA team
>> don't like each other, and don't want their teammates to do well. I think
>> this is a vacation week W/the wife for some of these guys, and they could
>> give a shit less about the outcome. Phil hates Tiger and Vice Versa. They
>> don't want to play together or even be in the same clothes. Too bad
>> because it makes for great theater during the PGA season but it makes for
>> really weak, pathetic Ryder Cup teams.
>
> Hey Brian...did you ever think that maybe the 12 Euro players were better
> overall than the 12 US players this year? I agree that it doesn't have
> anything to do with yukking it up or not...it comes down to skillfully
> playing the game of golf when the trophy's on the line and the Euros are
> doing it better than we are. Simple as that.
>
> I truly believe that the US's bad results in the RC lately are for the
> same reason that top 25 golfers on the US PGA tour cannot perform on
> Sunday to overtake Tiger to win a tournament. They have no Sunday killer
> instinct, and as they can come in second or third and make 3/4 of a
> million dollars who needs to win anymore. Winning is not the Holy Grail it
> was back when Nicklaus, Watson, Trevino et al were playing professional
> golf. Making a living is all that counts. You're not going to starve to
> death coming in 15th in all of your PGA tour event starts so why have a
> "win or nothing" attitude?...another Tiger result IMO
> Dave
Strange isn't it. Having the best player in the world has demoralized most
of the others.
Maybe they should have a much more winner-take-all prize fund in the PGA
tour. $1m for first, $100K for second, $10K for third and that's it.
Encourage risk-taking to win.
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