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Date: 25 Feb 2007 19:35:31
From: Joe Perez
Subject: Can PING irons be bent?
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At a course closing here in NYC I managed to pick up a Demo set of
PING G5 irons. Scrubbed the crud off them and they look almost new.
The grips are even still tackey. Great deal for only $200. They are
Black Dot (Standard).
At address the toe seems to be a liitle upright, so I was wondering if
I find myself hitting these irons a little left, could I have them
bent a degree flatter (by a local, or sent to PING).
When I called the local shop and asked if I could come in and have
each club altered, the guy there told be first that it couldn't be
done because the irons are cast, not forged. Then he said it *could*
be done but he would not recommend it because it would compromise the
integrity of the heads.
I don't think that PING uses different head casts for each lie angle,
so shouldn't it be not big deal to have it done, even if the clubs
have to back to PING?
The grips actually say DEMO on them, so maybe I should at least change
them before sending the clubs to PING.
Joe Perez
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Date: 26 Feb 2007 18:34:20
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Can PING irons be bent?
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On Feb 26, 2:05 pm, j...@optonline.net (Joe Perez) wrote:
> I just found info at PING's site that lists the degree of bending that
> can be applied to each model of iron. The G5 isn't listed there yet
> (or rapture irons either) but the G2 and i5 can be bent an astounding
> 4 degrees.
>
> Joe Perez
Just remember the scripture from St. Maltby. It is written ... "When
in Doubt, Apply more Heat."
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Date: 26 Feb 2007 18:22:00
From: GaryC_47
Subject: Re: Can PING irons be bent?
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"Joe Perez" <joepz@optonline.net > wrote:
> At a course closing here in NYC I managed to pick up a Demo set of
> PING G5 irons. Scrubbed the crud off them and they look almost
> new.
> The grips are even still tackey. Great deal for only $200. They
> are
> Black Dot (Standard).
>
> At address the toe seems to be a liitle upright, so I was
> wondering if
> I find myself hitting these irons a little left, could I have them
> bent a degree flatter (by a local, or sent to PING).
>
> When I called the local shop and asked if I could come in and have
> each club altered, the guy there told be first that it couldn't be
> done because the irons are cast, not forged. Then he said it
> *could*
> be done but he would not recommend it because it would compromise
> the
> integrity of the heads.
>
> I don't think that PING uses different head casts for each lie
> angle,
> so shouldn't it be not big deal to have it done, even if the clubs
> have to back to PING?
>
> The grips actually say DEMO on them, so maybe I should at least
> change
> them before sending the clubs to PING.
>
> Joe Perez
>
What is your wrist to floor measure and your height? With those
static measurements I can tell you what your base Ping color
code/length should be.
Wrist to floor is measured from the wrist crease on your left hand,
if you are a right handed golfer, to the floor while wearing golf
shoes.
The black dot demo set is usually the "standard" for 5ft 7" to 6ft
1" with a 32.5-33.5" wrist to floor measurement. You would need to
be fitted for grip size and have a dynamic swing test done to
determine if there was any adjustment to club length required
depending on your particular swing. Ping automatically adjusts the
lie angle when length adjustments are made.
If I were you I would find a Ping certified fitter before having the
lie adjusted. G5's can be bent easily 4 deg.
Gary
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Date: 28 Feb 2007 00:49:36
From: Joe Perez
Subject: Re: Can PING irons be bent?
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:22:00 -0500, "GaryC_47"
<garyc_48_minus_1@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
>"Joe Perez" <joepz@optonline.net> wrote:
>> At a course closing here in NYC I managed to pick up a Demo set of
>> PING G5 irons. Scrubbed the crud off them and they look almost
>> new.
>> The grips are even still tackey. Great deal for only $200. They
>> are
>> Black Dot (Standard).
>>
>> At address the toe seems to be a liitle upright, so I was
>> wondering if
>> I find myself hitting these irons a little left, could I have them
>> bent a degree flatter (by a local, or sent to PING).
>>
>> When I called the local shop and asked if I could come in and have
>> each club altered, the guy there told be first that it couldn't be
>> done because the irons are cast, not forged. Then he said it
>> *could*
>> be done but he would not recommend it because it would compromise
>> the
>> integrity of the heads.
>>
>> I don't think that PING uses different head casts for each lie
>> angle,
>> so shouldn't it be not big deal to have it done, even if the clubs
>> have to back to PING?
>>
>> The grips actually say DEMO on them, so maybe I should at least
>> change
>> them before sending the clubs to PING.
>>
>> Joe Perez
>>
>
>What is your wrist to floor measure and your height? With those
>static measurements I can tell you what your base Ping color
>code/length should be.
>
>Wrist to floor is measured from the wrist crease on your left hand,
>if you are a right handed golfer, to the floor while wearing golf
>shoes.
>
>The black dot demo set is usually the "standard" for 5ft 7" to 6ft
>1" with a 32.5-33.5" wrist to floor measurement. You would need to
>be fitted for grip size and have a dynamic swing test done to
>determine if there was any adjustment to club length required
>depending on your particular swing. Ping automatically adjusts the
>lie angle when length adjustments are made.
>
>If I were you I would find a Ping certified fitter before having the
>lie adjusted. G5's can be bent easily 4 deg.
>
>Gary
I've done the "static measurement" listed at PING's site years ago,
and found that it couldn't be more off. You're correct that you always
need the dyanmic swing test.
I'm only 5' 8" and wrist to floor is only 33". At the completion of
the static web-fitting, I came up at Orange, 2 Deg flat. When I was
fit for my original Ping's about 5 years ago, I came up as a BLUE dot,
I deg upright. Regardless of your body shape and size it's the swing
plane that determines all. My swing is certainly more upright (A
two-planer according to the world of Jim Hardy).
I took the G5s to the range with a lie board I had purchased from
Maltby, and sure enough, even though the toe looks upright, the black
ks on the bottom of the sole were just on the toe side of center,
indicating the club is too flat. Apparently my Blue-Dot swing hasn't
changed much over the years (neither has the chunks, whiffs, sculls
and blocks).
Joe Perez
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Date: 25 Feb 2007 23:55:42
From:
Subject: Re: Can PING irons be bent?
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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:35:31 GMT, joepz@optonline.net (Joe Perez)
wrote:
>At a course closing here in NYC I managed to pick up a Demo set of
>PING G5 irons. Scrubbed the crud off them and they look almost new.
>The grips are even still tackey. Great deal for only $200. They are
>Black Dot (Standard).
>
>At address the toe seems to be a liitle upright, so I was wondering if
>I find myself hitting these irons a little left, could I have them
>bent a degree flatter (by a local, or sent to PING).
Don't necessarily go by what the lie of the clubhead is at address. At
impact it may be flatter due to the dynamics of your swing. I would
suggest you take the clubs to a certified fitter and get them fitted.
>
>When I called the local shop and asked if I could come in and have
>each club altered, the guy there told be first that it couldn't be
>done because the irons are cast, not forged. Then he said it *could*
>be done but he would not recommend it because it would compromise the
>integrity of the heads.
They *can* be bent, but I would suggest you contact Ping.
>
>I don't think that PING uses different head casts for each lie angle,
>so shouldn't it be not big deal to have it done, even if the clubs
>have to back to PING?
Ping can do it.
Craig
"Nothing matters but the weekend, from a Tuesday point of view."
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Date: 28 Feb 2007 00:53:03
From: Joe Perez
Subject: Re: Can PING irons be bent?
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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:55:42 -0600, zipper40hDIESPAMMERS@netscape.net
wrote:
>On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:35:31 GMT, joepz@optonline.net (Joe Perez)
>wrote:
>
>>At a course closing here in NYC I managed to pick up a Demo set of
>>PING G5 irons. Scrubbed the crud off them and they look almost new.
>>The grips are even still tackey. Great deal for only $200. They are
>>Black Dot (Standard).
>>
>>At address the toe seems to be a liitle upright, so I was wondering if
>>I find myself hitting these irons a little left, could I have them
>>bent a degree flatter (by a local, or sent to PING).
>
>Don't necessarily go by what the lie of the clubhead is at address. At
>impact it may be flatter due to the dynamics of your swing. I would
>suggest you take the clubs to a certified fitter and get them fitted.
SOME-MA-BITCH, you had that right! I hit some balls off of a lie
board, and the black ks on the sole of the club were on the toe
side, just off of center. When I was fitted for Pings years ago I was
a Blue Dot, 1 Deg upright. I guess some things never change.
Joe Perez
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Date: 27 Feb 2007 20:21:49
From:
Subject: Re: Can PING irons be bent?
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:53:03 GMT, joepz@optonline.net (Joe Perez)
wrote:
>On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:55:42 -0600, zipper40hDIESPAMMERS@netscape.net
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:35:31 GMT, joepz@optonline.net (Joe Perez)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>At a course closing here in NYC I managed to pick up a Demo set of
>>>PING G5 irons. Scrubbed the crud off them and they look almost new.
>>>The grips are even still tackey. Great deal for only $200. They are
>>>Black Dot (Standard).
>>>
>>>At address the toe seems to be a liitle upright, so I was wondering if
>>>I find myself hitting these irons a little left, could I have them
>>>bent a degree flatter (by a local, or sent to PING).
>>
>>Don't necessarily go by what the lie of the clubhead is at address. At
>>impact it may be flatter due to the dynamics of your swing. I would
>>suggest you take the clubs to a certified fitter and get them fitted.
>
>SOME-MA-BITCH, you had that right! I hit some balls off of a lie
>board, and the black ks on the sole of the club were on the toe
>side, just off of center. When I was fitted for Pings years ago I was
>a Blue Dot, 1 Deg upright. I guess some things never change.
>
>Joe Perez
There ya go! Have fun with your clubs!
Craig
"Nothing matters but the weekend, from a Tuesday point of view."
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Date: 28 Feb 2007 05:55:28
From: Joe Perez
Subject: Re: Can PING irons be bent?
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:21:49 -0600, zipper40hDIESPAMMERS@netscape.net
wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:53:03 GMT, joepz@optonline.net (Joe Perez)
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:55:42 -0600, zipper40hDIESPAMMERS@netscape.net
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:35:31 GMT, joepz@optonline.net (Joe Perez)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>At a course closing here in NYC I managed to pick up a Demo set of
>>>>PING G5 irons. Scrubbed the crud off them and they look almost new.
>>>>The grips are even still tackey. Great deal for only $200. They are
>>>>Black Dot (Standard).
>>>>
>>>>At address the toe seems to be a liitle upright, so I was wondering if
>>>>I find myself hitting these irons a little left, could I have them
>>>>bent a degree flatter (by a local, or sent to PING).
>>>
>>>Don't necessarily go by what the lie of the clubhead is at address. At
>>>impact it may be flatter due to the dynamics of your swing. I would
>>>suggest you take the clubs to a certified fitter and get them fitted.
>>
>>SOME-MA-BITCH, you had that right! I hit some balls off of a lie
>>board, and the black ks on the sole of the club were on the toe
>>side, just off of center. When I was fitted for Pings years ago I was
>>a Blue Dot, 1 Deg upright. I guess some things never change.
>>
>>Joe Perez
>
>
>There ya go! Have fun with your clubs!
>
>Craig
>"Nothing matters but the weekend, from a Tuesday point of view."
Not quite yet. They had to go back to Ping to be bent a degree, plus I
noticed at the range that the 4, 5 and 7 irons had some damage to the
shafts at the tip. So will probably be a few weeks at least. Too cold
to play up here where Hell actually *has* frozen over (NYC).
Joe Perez
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Date: 28 Feb 2007 22:12:18
From:
Subject: Re: Can PING irons be bent?
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 05:55:28 GMT, joepz@optonline.net (Joe Perez)
wrote:
>On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:21:49 -0600, zipper40hDIESPAMMERS@netscape.net
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:53:03 GMT, joepz@optonline.net (Joe Perez)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:55:42 -0600, zipper40hDIESPAMMERS@netscape.net
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:35:31 GMT, joepz@optonline.net (Joe Perez)
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>At a course closing here in NYC I managed to pick up a Demo set of
>>>>>PING G5 irons. Scrubbed the crud off them and they look almost new.
>>>>>The grips are even still tackey. Great deal for only $200. They are
>>>>>Black Dot (Standard).
>>>>>
>>>>>At address the toe seems to be a liitle upright, so I was wondering if
>>>>>I find myself hitting these irons a little left, could I have them
>>>>>bent a degree flatter (by a local, or sent to PING).
>>>>
>>>>Don't necessarily go by what the lie of the clubhead is at address. At
>>>>impact it may be flatter due to the dynamics of your swing. I would
>>>>suggest you take the clubs to a certified fitter and get them fitted.
>>>
>>>SOME-MA-BITCH, you had that right! I hit some balls off of a lie
>>>board, and the black ks on the sole of the club were on the toe
>>>side, just off of center. When I was fitted for Pings years ago I was
>>>a Blue Dot, 1 Deg upright. I guess some things never change.
>>>
>>>Joe Perez
>>
>>
>>There ya go! Have fun with your clubs!
>>
>>Craig
>>"Nothing matters but the weekend, from a Tuesday point of view."
>
>Not quite yet. They had to go back to Ping to be bent a degree, plus I
>noticed at the range that the 4, 5 and 7 irons had some damage to the
>shafts at the tip. So will probably be a few weeks at least. Too cold
>to play up here where Hell actually *has* frozen over (NYC).
>
>Joe Perez
How did you see "damage at the tips"? You mean at the part of the
shaft that enters the hosel? What kind of damage? Did Ping say they
could/would fix it?
Just curious.
Craig
"Nothing matters but the weekend, from a Tuesday point of view."
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Date: 01 Mar 2007 08:47:08
From: Joe Perez
Subject: Re: Can PING irons be bent?
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>How did you see "damage at the tips"? You mean at the part of the
>shaft that enters the hosel? What kind of damage? Did Ping say they
>could/would fix it?
>
>Just curious.
>
>Craig
>"Nothing matters but the weekend, from a Tuesday point of view."
For the 5 iron, at the tip where the shaft enters the head, the shaft
is frayed, as if it's peeling. The 4 iron looked as if it was starting
to look the same way but perhaps not, but I wasn't going to take the
chance and since it was going to Ping to be ebnt, I figure I'd just
have it reshafted. As for the 7 iron, it has the look near the tip as
if the shaft is starting to split, just a single "line" about 1 1/2
inches from where the tip enters the head.
Since the clubs were demo models, and say so on the grips, I wasn't
going to try to talk Ping into replacing it as warantee work. They can
always just do a re-shafting.
Joe Perez
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Date: 26 Feb 2007 08:03:39
From: Joe Perez
Subject: Re: Can PING irons be bent?
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Thanks to all. I was sure it could be done. Don't know why the store I
usually go to said they couldn't, or rather, I shouldn't. I doubt they
were trying to talk me into buying a "correct" set of clubs.
I'll just have to find another dealer in the area that does the
fitting and take the clubs there.
Joe Perez
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:55:42 -0600, zipper40hDIESPAMMERS@netscape.net
wrote:
>On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:35:31 GMT, joepz@optonline.net (Joe Perez)
>wrote:
>
>>At a course closing here in NYC I managed to pick up a Demo set of
>>PING G5 irons. Scrubbed the crud off them and they look almost new.
>>The grips are even still tackey. Great deal for only $200. They are
>>Black Dot (Standard).
>>
>>At address the toe seems to be a liitle upright, so I was wondering if
>>I find myself hitting these irons a little left, could I have them
>>bent a degree flatter (by a local, or sent to PING).
>
>Don't necessarily go by what the lie of the clubhead is at address. At
>impact it may be flatter due to the dynamics of your swing. I would
>suggest you take the clubs to a certified fitter and get them fitted.
>
>
>>
>>When I called the local shop and asked if I could come in and have
>>each club altered, the guy there told be first that it couldn't be
>>done because the irons are cast, not forged. Then he said it *could*
>>be done but he would not recommend it because it would compromise the
>>integrity of the heads.
>
>They *can* be bent, but I would suggest you contact Ping.
>
>
>>
>>I don't think that PING uses different head casts for each lie angle,
>>so shouldn't it be not big deal to have it done, even if the clubs
>>have to back to PING?
>
>Ping can do it.
>
>Craig
>"Nothing matters but the weekend, from a Tuesday point of view."
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Date: 26 Feb 2007 09:08:46
From: david s-a
Subject: Re: Can PING irons be bent?
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Joe Perez wrote:
>
> I don't think that PING uses different head casts for each lie angle,
> so shouldn't it be not big deal to have it done, even if the clubs
> have to back to PING?
>
Ping actually use a straightforward mallet to alter the lie angles. The
club is held securely in an hydraulic vice at the hosel.....and they are
checked against a relatively simple gauge arrangement, using the shaft
itself as the 'pointer'. Although the clubheads are cast they are said
to be go through some form of post heat treatment at unusually high
temperature to reduce the brittleness of the casting and enable the
bending. Furthermore, there is a specially designed and patented notch
placed in the vicinity of the heel behind the hosel which helps
facilitate any adjustments. The Ping website has (or used to have) a
very informative 'behind the scenes' segment which explains all this
process.
No big deal to alter them.......Ping clubmaker have several years
experience in knowing exactly how much force is required to do
this.......and you would be better advised to send them in...at least
they will replace the head if they break one!
Ping have also been putting out feelers to sponsor an academic project
to design and develop automatic factory equipment that will take the
'skill' out of the process.....enabling their valued and skilled
craftmen to turn their attention to more demanding processes.
cheers
david
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Date: 26 Feb 2007 19:05:50
From: Joe Perez
Subject: Re: Can PING irons be bent?
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>Ping actually use a straightforward mallet to alter the lie angles. The
>club is held securely in an hydraulic vice at the hosel.....and they are
>checked against a relatively simple gauge arrangement, using the shaft
>itself as the 'pointer'. Although the clubheads are cast they are said
>to be go through some form of post heat treatment at unusually high
>temperature to reduce the brittleness of the casting and enable the
>bending. Furthermore, there is a specially designed and patented notch
>placed in the vicinity of the heel behind the hosel which helps
>facilitate any adjustments. The Ping website has (or used to have) a
>very informative 'behind the scenes' segment which explains all this
>process.
>
>No big deal to alter them.......Ping clubmaker have several years
>experience in knowing exactly how much force is required to do
>this.......and you would be better advised to send them in...at least
>they will replace the head if they break one!
>
>Ping have also been putting out feelers to sponsor an academic project
>to design and develop automatic factory equipment that will take the
>'skill' out of the process.....enabling their valued and skilled
>craftmen to turn their attention to more demanding processes.
>
>cheers
>david
Thanks for the help.
I just found info at PING's site that lists the degree of bending that
can be applied to each model of iron. The G5 isn't listed there yet
(or rapture irons either) but the G2 and i5 can be bent an astounding
4 degrees.
Joe Perez
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Date: 25 Feb 2007 13:48:03
From:
Subject: Re: Can PING irons be bent?
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They can definitely be modified by Ping. I purchased a used set of
i5s and sent them to Ping for modification. I don't know if their
previous "job" as demos makes a difference or not.
If they have a serial number, call Ping customer service - they'll
tell you exactly what you need to know.
-TheRambler
On Feb 25, 1:35 pm, j...@optonline.net (Joe Perez) wrote:
> At a course closing here in NYC I managed to pick up a Demo set of
> PING G5 irons. Scrubbed the crud off them and they look almost new.
> The grips are even still tackey. Great deal for only $200. They are
> Black Dot (Standard).
>
> At address the toe seems to be a liitle upright, so I was wondering if
> I find myself hitting these irons a little left, could I have them
> bent a degree flatter (by a local, or sent to PING).
>
> When I called the local shop and asked if I could come in and have
> each club altered, the guy there told be first that it couldn't be
> done because the irons are cast, not forged. Then he said it *could*
> be done but he would not recommend it because it would compromise the
> integrity of the heads.
>
> I don't think that PING uses different head casts for each lie angle,
> so shouldn't it be not big deal to have it done, even if the clubs
> have to back to PING?
>
> The grips actually say DEMO on them, so maybe I should at least change
> them before sending the clubs to PING.
>
> Joe Perez
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