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Date: 07 Sep 2006 21:47:45
From: Steven Paul
Subject: Byron Nelson 1945 Facts
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Jimmy Deet played a full schedule. So did Craig Wood.
Hogan played 19 times and Snead 27.
Nelson played 30 (possibly 31) tournaments. He finished first or second
in 25 of them.
His season scoring average was 68.33.
He had 19 consecutive rounds in the 60s.
In the three years 1944, 1945, and 1946, Nelson finished out of the top
ten only once.
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 01:09:57
From:
Subject: Re: Byron Nelson 1945 Facts
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larry wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 17:36:09 -0600, "k A" <nobody@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
> >"Prilosec" <purple@nni.net> wrote in message
> >news:4OdMg.4759$%k5.1932@trnddc08...
> >>I really don't know the answer to this, but have heard it argued that the
> >>fields of long ago were tough because there was no "exempt tour", and every
> >>player had to qualify every week.
> >
> >We are talking about the years of WWII (1944 and 1945) and the year
> >following (1946). How many able bodied men do you think were not in the
> >military, or not in some other important full-time non-military job in the
> >US (that would prevent them from touring the country playing golf)..
> >
> >Even if you look at the year after WWII (1946), don't you think the pool of
> >quality golfers was still seriously depleted?
> >
> >I am not sure you realize that WWII was unlike the Vietnam War or the Iraq
> >War. During WWII it was a total effort on behalf of all US citizens, either
> >as soldiers, or in defense manufacturing, or in some other civilian support
> >job, etc. Playing professional golf, or even amateur golf on a week day, was
> >not part of the War Effort.
>
> Unlike now-- when essentially NO wealthy liberal's son or daughter is
> anywhere near the military. OTHER people's children are keeping
> America safe for them. Like Clinton, they "loathe" the military.
>
> So lets elect a liberal to Commander-in-Chief-- so the military can
> return the sentiment.
Ooh, politics. Fun....So, are you kidding me? The neo-cons avoided
Vietnam like it was the plague. They were all of the right age, and
they've been sending kids into harm's way so they must have done their
duty when it was their turn, right? Well, let's see....
GW Bush (Texas National Guard)? Let's not get into that.
Dick "I had other priorities in the 1960s than military service"
Cheney? No.
Richard "Permanent Grad Student" Perle? Nope.
Tom "I would have joined up but those minorities took all the places"
DeLay? No, and that's an actual quote.
Newt "Mr. Deferment" Gingrich? No.
Certainly Rush Limbaugh? No -- he used student deferments then failed a
physical because of "anal cysts" (you can't make this stuff up).
Maybe John Ashcroft? No -- he was teaching business education at a
small college in Missouri -- certainly more worthy than going to war,
no?
Karl Rove? Paul Wolfowitz? No and no -- they became permanent students
as well.
Trent Lott? No.
See a trend here?
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 13:38:33
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Byron Nelson 1945 Facts
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multi wrote:
> On 8 Sep 2006 06:22:32 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote:
> >The reference I use only shows how many Top-25 finishes a player has in
> >each year.
>
> What is the reference, and is it available online?
It's a book. "The History of the PGA Tour" by Al Barkow.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 06:22:32
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Byron Nelson 1945 Facts
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Steven Paul wrote:
> Jimmy Deet played a full schedule.
No he didn't. He only played a handful of events.
The reference I use only shows how many Top-25 finishes a player has in
each year.
Deet finished in the Top-25 2 times in 1943, 1 time in 1944, and 6
times in 1945. He finished in the Top-25 25 times in 1946, including 5
wins. From that, it is obvious that he only played a partial schedule
in '45.
>So did Craig Wood.
Yes, he did play a full season but was a no-factor since he never
finished in the Top-3.
Willie Goggin played a full season as well if that helps bolster your
argument. Of course, he didn't record any Top-3 finishes either.
One thing is obvious from all this. The guys like Hogan, Snead, and
Deet who missed action during the war years did a lot of practicing.
The Oldest Member recalls seeing Snead practice at a base somewhere
near San Diego back during that time.
In fact, The Oldest Member says that he and Snead were actually
teammates in a team event that won the World Championship.
I asked the name of it and he answered, "World War II."
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 06:13:19
From: Steven Paul
Subject: Re: Byron Nelson 1945 Facts
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In article <1157721752.102815.204880@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com >,
annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:
> > Jimmy Deet played a full schedule.
>
> No he didn't. He only played a handful of events.
> The reference I use only shows how many Top-25 finishes a player has in
> each year.
> Deet finished in the Top-25 2 times in 1943, 1 time in 1944, and 6
> times in 1945. He finished in the Top-25 25 times in 1946, including 5
> wins. From that, it is obvious that he only played a partial schedule
> in '45.
That makes sense. I was going by what this guy said:
http://golf.about.com/od/golfersmen/a/menstop10years_3.htm
I should have posted that link in the first place. I notice that he
also says:
---------
And unbeknownst to many golf fans, Lord Byron actually won another
tournament in that streak, which would have made the streak 12 straight
and the win total 19. However, the rule in 1945 was that a tournament's
total purse had to be at least $3,000; the purse in Nelson's "lost
victory" was only $2,500, so it is not considered an "official" win.
----------
Which I hadn't heard about. But the annoying "Lord Byron," to me,
slightly reduces his credibility.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 10:24:29
From: multi
Subject: Re: Byron Nelson 1945 Facts
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On 8 Sep 2006 06:22:32 -0700, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:
>The reference I use only shows how many Top-25 finishes a player has in
>each year.
What is the reference, and is it available online?
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 12:44:08
From: Brian Foster
Subject: Re: Byron Nelson 1945 Facts
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So for 3 years he was the dominant force in golf. The scoring average is
incredible as well as 19 consecutive rounds in the 60s. You could look at
that and say, it's Nelson VS the courses, regardless of who else is playing
with him. I'm sure everyone was gunning for him every time he entered a
tournament.
So I think his accomplishments are awesome and speak for themselves. I also
think his record of 11 victories will possibly never be broken because the
fields participating in modern tournaments are just so much deeper than they
were when Nelson won 11 in a row.
Great golfer, much different time than today.
"Steven Paul" <listcatcher@fastOUTmail.fm > wrote in message
news:070920062147459611%listcatcher@fastOUTmail.fm...
> Jimmy Deet played a full schedule. So did Craig Wood.
> Hogan played 19 times and Snead 27.
>
> Nelson played 30 (possibly 31) tournaments. He finished first or second
> in 25 of them.
>
> His season scoring average was 68.33.
>
> He had 19 consecutive rounds in the 60s.
>
> In the three years 1944, 1945, and 1946, Nelson finished out of the top
> ten only once.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 12:58:40
From: Prilosec
Subject: Re: Byron Nelson 1945 Facts
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I really don't know the answer to this, but have heard it argued that the
fields of long ago were tough because there was no "exempt tour", and every
player had to qualify every week. You might think this would keep somebody
out of a field who was not playing their best that particular week....or
not...just something I heard that kind of makes sense. Today's cuts are
pretty much the best of the exempt tour for the season. Yesterday's cuts
were the best players who came to play that week (and in those days the best
players played most of the events because they had to in order to make a
good living). Since we'll never really know, it's just speculation.
"Brian Foster" <brianfoster@houston.rr.com > wrote in message
news:sAdMg.16082$dl.9003@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> So for 3 years he was the dominant force in golf. The scoring average is
> incredible as well as 19 consecutive rounds in the 60s. You could look at
> that and say, it's Nelson VS the courses, regardless of who else is
> playing with him. I'm sure everyone was gunning for him every time he
> entered a tournament.
>
> So I think his accomplishments are awesome and speak for themselves. I
> also think his record of 11 victories will possibly never be broken
> because the fields participating in modern tournaments are just so much
> deeper than they were when Nelson won 11 in a row.
>
> Great golfer, much different time than today.
>
>
> "Steven Paul" <listcatcher@fastOUTmail.fm> wrote in message
> news:070920062147459611%listcatcher@fastOUTmail.fm...
>> Jimmy Deet played a full schedule. So did Craig Wood.
>> Hogan played 19 times and Snead 27.
>>
>> Nelson played 30 (possibly 31) tournaments. He finished first or second
>> in 25 of them.
>>
>> His season scoring average was 68.33.
>>
>> He had 19 consecutive rounds in the 60s.
>>
>> In the three years 1944, 1945, and 1946, Nelson finished out of the top
>> ten only once.
>
>
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 17:36:09
From: Mark A
Subject: Re: Byron Nelson 1945 Facts
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"Prilosec" <purple@nni.net > wrote in message
news:4OdMg.4759$%k5.1932@trnddc08...
>I really don't know the answer to this, but have heard it argued that the
>fields of long ago were tough because there was no "exempt tour", and every
>player had to qualify every week.
We are talking about the years of WWII (1944 and 1945) and the year
following (1946). How many able bodied men do you think were not in the
military, or not in some other important full-time non-military job in the
US (that would prevent them from touring the country playing golf)..
Even if you look at the year after WWII (1946), don't you think the pool of
quality golfers was still seriously depleted?
I am not sure you realize that WWII was unlike the Vietnam War or the Iraq
War. During WWII it was a total effort on behalf of all US citizens, either
as soldiers, or in defense manufacturing, or in some other civilian support
job, etc. Playing professional golf, or even amateur golf on a week day, was
not part of the War Effort.
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Date: 08 Sep 2006 16:41:37
From: larry
Subject: Re: Byron Nelson 1945 Facts
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On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 17:36:09 -0600, "k A" <nobody@nowhere.com >
wrote:
>"Prilosec" <purple@nni.net> wrote in message
>news:4OdMg.4759$%k5.1932@trnddc08...
>>I really don't know the answer to this, but have heard it argued that the
>>fields of long ago were tough because there was no "exempt tour", and every
>>player had to qualify every week.
>
>We are talking about the years of WWII (1944 and 1945) and the year
>following (1946). How many able bodied men do you think were not in the
>military, or not in some other important full-time non-military job in the
>US (that would prevent them from touring the country playing golf)..
>
>Even if you look at the year after WWII (1946), don't you think the pool of
>quality golfers was still seriously depleted?
>
>I am not sure you realize that WWII was unlike the Vietnam War or the Iraq
>War. During WWII it was a total effort on behalf of all US citizens, either
>as soldiers, or in defense manufacturing, or in some other civilian support
>job, etc. Playing professional golf, or even amateur golf on a week day, was
>not part of the War Effort.
Unlike now-- when essentially NO wealthy liberal's son or daughter is
anywhere near the military. OTHER people's children are keeping
America safe for them. Like Clinton, they "loathe" the military.
So lets elect a liberal to Commander-in-Chief-- so the military can
return the sentiment.
Larry
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