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Date: 04 Feb 2007 08:41:30
From: p4o2
Subject: Byron Nelson 1945
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Anyone now where to find his schedule for 1945? He finished 1st in 18
events, 11 in a row. How many did he play in? In the 11 in a row did
he loose any non-PGA events?
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Date: 08 Feb 2007 08:55:44
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Byron Nelson 1945
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On Feb 7, 8:13 am, "p4o2" <p...@webtv.net > wrote:
> The_Professor wrote:
> > On Feb 5, 8:45 am, "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > On Feb 4, 6:30 pm, Robert Hamilton <D...@att.net> wrote:
>
> > > > Keep smiling! There was no PGA Tour in 1945. Just a fact.
>
> > > If you really want to pick nits you can say that the PGA TOUR as we
> > > know it actually started in 1968. That doesn't mean that there wasn't
> > > a structured tour before that, however.
>
> > > >From pgatour.com:
>
> > > In the early 1920s, a series of tournaments was held on the West
> > > Coast, in Texas and Florida. These events were held in the winter, and
> > > the golfers played their way east and up to Pinehurst, N.C., in the
> > > spring. By the middle of the decade, the tour was doing relatively
> > > well -- offering $77,000 in total prize money.
>
> > > The first "playing pros" organization was formed in 1932. Two years
> > > earlier, Bob Harlow had been named manager of the PGA Tournament
> > > Bureau. The tour became more structured following World War II and
> > > exploded in the late 1950s and early '60s. When Arnold Palmer,
> > > televised golf and President Dwight D. Eisenhower arrived on the scene
> > > in the late 1950s, the eyes of the world were on golf. This exposure
> > > inspired millions to try the game.
>
> > > Most golf historians would trace the "formal" beginning of the PGA
> > > TOUR to late 1968, when the "Tournament Players Division" split from
> > > the PGA of America and hired Joseph C. Dey as its first commissioner.
> > > That organization became the modern-day PGA TOUR.
>
> > The PGA of America represented the players. The events were
> > independent. It wasn't till the 1950's that the PGA of America took
> > control of "the tour" in the way we look at it these days. They were
> > independent events and just about anyone could try to qualify, and
> > just about anyone could be given an exemption. Of the big private
> > tournaments, only The Masters was allowed to continue as an
> > independent tournament and be part of the PGA of America Tour. The
> > biggest of them all prizewise was The Tam O'Shanter, which was not
> > allowed to continue as an independent event, and the sponsor withdrew
> > and the event was lost when the PGA of America started to operate the
> > tour more or less the way it is operated by The PGA Tour today.
>
> Anyone want to argue the begining of the term "PGA sanctioned"? Maybe
> when they say BN won 11 PGA in a row they mean "PGA sanctioned".- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
That's accurate.
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Date: 07 Feb 2007 06:13:04
From: p4o2
Subject: Re: Byron Nelson 1945
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The_Professor wrote:
> On Feb 5, 8:45 am, "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 4, 6:30 pm, Robert Hamilton <D...@att.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Keep smiling! There was no PGA Tour in 1945. Just a fact.
> >
> > If you really want to pick nits you can say that the PGA TOUR as we
> > know it actually started in 1968. That doesn't mean that there wasn't
> > a structured tour before that, however.
> >
> > >From pgatour.com:
> >
> > In the early 1920s, a series of tournaments was held on the West
> > Coast, in Texas and Florida. These events were held in the winter, and
> > the golfers played their way east and up to Pinehurst, N.C., in the
> > spring. By the middle of the decade, the tour was doing relatively
> > well -- offering $77,000 in total prize money.
> >
> > The first "playing pros" organization was formed in 1932. Two years
> > earlier, Bob Harlow had been named manager of the PGA Tournament
> > Bureau. The tour became more structured following World War II and
> > exploded in the late 1950s and early '60s. When Arnold Palmer,
> > televised golf and President Dwight D. Eisenhower arrived on the scene
> > in the late 1950s, the eyes of the world were on golf. This exposure
> > inspired millions to try the game.
> >
> > Most golf historians would trace the "formal" beginning of the PGA
> > TOUR to late 1968, when the "Tournament Players Division" split from
> > the PGA of America and hired Joseph C. Dey as its first commissioner.
> > That organization became the modern-day PGA TOUR.
>
> The PGA of America represented the players. The events were
> independent. It wasn't till the 1950's that the PGA of America took
> control of "the tour" in the way we look at it these days. They were
> independent events and just about anyone could try to qualify, and
> just about anyone could be given an exemption. Of the big private
> tournaments, only The Masters was allowed to continue as an
> independent tournament and be part of the PGA of America Tour. The
> biggest of them all prizewise was The Tam O'Shanter, which was not
> allowed to continue as an independent event, and the sponsor withdrew
> and the event was lost when the PGA of America started to operate the
> tour more or less the way it is operated by The PGA Tour today.
Anyone want to argue the begining of the term "PGA sanctioned"? Maybe
when they say BN won 11 PGA in a row they mean "PGA sanctioned".
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Date: 05 Feb 2007 08:40:52
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: Byron Nelson 1945
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On Feb 5, 8:45 am, "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com > wrote:
> On Feb 4, 6:30 pm, Robert Hamilton <D...@att.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Keep smiling! There was no PGA Tour in 1945. Just a fact.
>
> If you really want to pick nits you can say that the PGA TOUR as we
> know it actually started in 1968. That doesn't mean that there wasn't
> a structured tour before that, however.
>
> >From pgatour.com:
>
> In the early 1920s, a series of tournaments was held on the West
> Coast, in Texas and Florida. These events were held in the winter, and
> the golfers played their way east and up to Pinehurst, N.C., in the
> spring. By the middle of the decade, the tour was doing relatively
> well -- offering $77,000 in total prize money.
>
> The first "playing pros" organization was formed in 1932. Two years
> earlier, Bob Harlow had been named manager of the PGA Tournament
> Bureau. The tour became more structured following World War II and
> exploded in the late 1950s and early '60s. When Arnold Palmer,
> televised golf and President Dwight D. Eisenhower arrived on the scene
> in the late 1950s, the eyes of the world were on golf. This exposure
> inspired millions to try the game.
>
> Most golf historians would trace the "formal" beginning of the PGA
> TOUR to late 1968, when the "Tournament Players Division" split from
> the PGA of America and hired Joseph C. Dey as its first commissioner.
> That organization became the modern-day PGA TOUR.
The PGA of America represented the players. The events were
independent. It wasn't till the 1950's that the PGA of America took
control of "the tour" in the way we look at it these days. They were
independent events and just about anyone could try to qualify, and
just about anyone could be given an exemption. Of the big private
tournaments, only The Masters was allowed to continue as an
independent tournament and be part of the PGA of America Tour. The
biggest of them all prizewise was The Tam O'Shanter, which was not
allowed to continue as an independent event, and the sponsor withdrew
and the event was lost when the PGA of America started to operate the
tour more or less the way it is operated by The PGA Tour today.
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Date: 05 Feb 2007 06:45:22
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Byron Nelson 1945
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On Feb 4, 6:30 pm, Robert Hamilton <D...@att.net > wrote:
>
> Keep smiling! There was no PGA Tour in 1945. Just a fact.
If you really want to pick nits you can say that the PGA TOUR as we
know it actually started in 1968. That doesn't mean that there wasn't
a structured tour before that, however.
>From pgatour.com:
In the early 1920s, a series of tournaments was held on the West
Coast, in Texas and Florida. These events were held in the winter, and
the golfers played their way east and up to Pinehurst, N.C., in the
spring. By the middle of the decade, the tour was doing relatively
well -- offering $77,000 in total prize money.
The first "playing pros" organization was formed in 1932. Two years
earlier, Bob Harlow had been named manager of the PGA Tournament
Bureau. The tour became more structured following World War II and
exploded in the late 1950s and early '60s. When Arnold Palmer,
televised golf and President Dwight D. Eisenhower arrived on the scene
in the late 1950s, the eyes of the world were on golf. This exposure
inspired millions to try the game.
Most golf historians would trace the "formal" beginning of the PGA
TOUR to late 1968, when the "Tournament Players Division" split from
the PGA of America and hired Joseph C. Dey as its first commissioner.
That organization became the modern-day PGA TOUR.
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Date: 04 Feb 2007 23:31:46
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Byron Nelson 1945
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annika1980 wrote:
> On Feb 4, 1:30 pm, Robert Hamilton <D...@att.net> wrote:
> > p4o2 wrote:
> > > Anyone now where to find his schedule for 1945? He finished 1st in 18
> > > events, 11 in a row. How many did he play in? In the 11 in a row did
> > > he loose any non-PGA events?
> >
> > All events were non PGA events in those days. The PGA of America didn't
> > set up their tour till the 1950's.
>
> The PGA of America set up their Tournament Bureau in the late 1920's.
> By the late 1930's it was up and running.
That they did, but the events were all independent events until the 1950's,
except things like the PGA Championship, which was put on by the PGA of
America.
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Date: 04 Feb 2007 23:30:46
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Byron Nelson 1945
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annika1980 wrote:
> On Feb 4, 1:30 pm, Robert Hamilton <D...@att.net> wrote:
> > p4o2 wrote:
> > > Anyone now where to find his schedule for 1945? He finished 1st in 18
> > > events, 11 in a row. How many did he play in? In the 11 in a row did
> > > he loose any non-PGA events?
> >
> > All events were non PGA events in those days. The PGA of America didn't
> > set up their tour till the 1950's.
>
> LOL! What Tour was that? The PGA Championship?
Keep smiling! There was no PGA Tour in 1945. Just a fact.
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Date: 04 Feb 2007 11:02:45
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Byron Nelson 1945
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On Feb 4, 1:30 pm, Robert Hamilton <D...@att.net > wrote:
> p4o2 wrote:
> > Anyone now where to find his schedule for 1945? He finished 1st in 18
> > events, 11 in a row. How many did he play in? In the 11 in a row did
> > he loose any non-PGA events?
>
> All events were non PGA events in those days. The PGA of America didn't
> set up their tour till the 1950's.
The PGA of America set up their Tournament Bureau in the late 1920's.
By the late 1930's it was up and running.
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Date: 04 Feb 2007 10:55:49
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Byron Nelson 1945
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On Feb 4, 1:30 pm, Robert Hamilton <D...@att.net > wrote:
> p4o2 wrote:
> > Anyone now where to find his schedule for 1945? He finished 1st in 18
> > events, 11 in a row. How many did he play in? In the 11 in a row did
> > he loose any non-PGA events?
>
> All events were non PGA events in those days. The PGA of America didn't
> set up their tour till the 1950's.
LOL! What Tour was that? The PGA Championship?
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Date: 04 Feb 2007 18:30:15
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: Byron Nelson 1945
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p4o2 wrote:
> Anyone now where to find his schedule for 1945? He finished 1st in 18
> events, 11 in a row. How many did he play in? In the 11 in a row did
> he loose any non-PGA events?
All events were non PGA events in those days. The PGA of America didn't
set up their tour till the 1950's.
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