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Date: 22 Nov 2006 06:54:55
From: Wayne
Subject: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
pathological liar.
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By y Jacoby
Sept. 16, 2004
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Date: 25 Nov 2006 15:24:48
From: Dennis
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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On 22 Nov 2006 06:54:55 -0800, "Wayne" <waynetv50@yahoo.com > wrote:
>His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
>not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
>pathological liar.
why should we care again?
I mean just because he's a Harvard guy, doesn't make him newsworthy...
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Date: 25 Nov 2006 07:03:14
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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RuPEDski wrote:
> "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1164380603.643302.35650@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > RuPEDski wrote:
> >> "Joe Ramirez" <josephmramirez@netzero.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1164313214.364223.72240@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
> >> >
> >> > RuPEDski wrote:
> >> >> "stephenj" <sjek@cox.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:4O29h.59$6g5.6@newsfe22.lga...
> >> >> > Calimero wrote:
> >> >> >> Wayne schrieb:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
> >> >> >>>not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
> >> >> >>>pathological liar. ...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> This professor has no class.
> >> >> >> To make derogatory reks about a former student in public simply
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> classless.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > good point.
> >> >>
> >> >> An excellent point and well stated.
> >> >
> >> > Actually, Calimero's argument is completely wrong. A president has
> >> > absolutely no legitimate expectation of privacy or confidentiality in
> >> > any aspect of his professional or academic careers. Anything he has
> >> > ever said or done, to anyone, in any context, is fair game for public
> >> > discussion.
> >>
> >> That's absurd Joe. Should discussions with his Doctor now be publicly
> >> discussed? How about with his lawyer? How about with his friends and
> >> family?
> >> Spouse? Bedroom talk? Religious leader? Further even if we now say that
> >> his
> >> Doctor has the right to start openly talking about private conversations,
> >> that does not mean that it won't reflect poorly on a Doctor who did so.
> >
> >
> > Unlike doctors and lawyers, college professors don't take a vow of
> > privacy and they don't see their students privately in one-on-one
> > sessions. They see them in classrooms full of other people. A
> > university is a distinctly un-private place. It's your argument that's
> > absurd, not Joe's.
>
> LOL. Since you first agree with my argument saying that some conversations
> are private and then say my argument is absurd, you obviously are having
> some comprehension problems. Please try to read the posts carefully and
> think about them if you wish to be taken seriously.
I generally find that people who resort to insulting my intelligence do
so because they don't have anything better to offer. So, I'll let you
have thst last word, as I'm not particularly concerned with whether or
not you take me seriously.
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Date: 25 Nov 2006 18:51:38
From: RuPEDski
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1164466994.398352.246780@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> RuPEDski wrote:
>> "John B." <johnb505@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1164380603.643302.35650@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > RuPEDski wrote:
>> >> "Joe Ramirez" <josephmramirez@netzero.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1164313214.364223.72240@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > RuPEDski wrote:
>> >> >> "stephenj" <sjek@cox.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:4O29h.59$6g5.6@newsfe22.lga...
>> >> >> > Calimero wrote:
>> >> >> >> Wayne schrieb:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W.
>> >> >> >>>Bush
>> >> >> >>>not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
>> >> >> >>>pathological liar. ...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> This professor has no class.
>> >> >> >> To make derogatory reks about a former student in public
>> >> >> >> simply
>> >> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> classless.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > good point.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> An excellent point and well stated.
>> >> >
>> >> > Actually, Calimero's argument is completely wrong. A president has
>> >> > absolutely no legitimate expectation of privacy or confidentiality
>> >> > in
>> >> > any aspect of his professional or academic careers. Anything he has
>> >> > ever said or done, to anyone, in any context, is fair game for
>> >> > public
>> >> > discussion.
>> >>
>> >> That's absurd Joe. Should discussions with his Doctor now be publicly
>> >> discussed? How about with his lawyer? How about with his friends and
>> >> family?
>> >> Spouse? Bedroom talk? Religious leader? Further even if we now say
>> >> that
>> >> his
>> >> Doctor has the right to start openly talking about private
>> >> conversations,
>> >> that does not mean that it won't reflect poorly on a Doctor who did
>> >> so.
>> >
>> >
>> > Unlike doctors and lawyers, college professors don't take a vow of
>> > privacy and they don't see their students privately in one-on-one
>> > sessions. They see them in classrooms full of other people. A
>> > university is a distinctly un-private place. It's your argument that's
>> > absurd, not Joe's.
>>
>> LOL. Since you first agree with my argument saying that some
>> conversations
>> are private and then say my argument is absurd, you obviously are having
>> some comprehension problems. Please try to read the posts carefully and
>> think about them if you wish to be taken seriously.
>
> I generally find that people who resort to insulting my intelligence do
> so because they don't have anything better to offer.
That is wise as once again, you have a comprehension problem. I did not
insult your intelligence, I pointed out how you have misrepresented the
issue and my previous statements. That cannot be rationally disputed. I then
offered sincere advice, which you obviously did not take, however, since you
then say you dont' care if you are taken seriously I suppose the point is
moot.
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Date: 25 Nov 2006 13:57:39
From: Shepherd z Wong
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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"Wayne" <waynetv50@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1164207295.589957.302490@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
pathological liar.
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By y Jacoby
Sept. 16, 2004
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 07:03:23
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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RuPEDski wrote:
> "Joe Ramirez" <josephmramirez@netzero.com> wrote in message
> news:1164313214.364223.72240@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > RuPEDski wrote:
> >> "stephenj" <sjek@cox.net> wrote in message
> >> news:4O29h.59$6g5.6@newsfe22.lga...
> >> > Calimero wrote:
> >> >> Wayne schrieb:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
> >> >>>not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
> >> >>>pathological liar. ...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> This professor has no class.
> >> >> To make derogatory reks about a former student in public simply is
> >> >> classless.
> >> >
> >> > good point.
> >>
> >> An excellent point and well stated.
> >
> > Actually, Calimero's argument is completely wrong. A president has
> > absolutely no legitimate expectation of privacy or confidentiality in
> > any aspect of his professional or academic careers. Anything he has
> > ever said or done, to anyone, in any context, is fair game for public
> > discussion.
>
> That's absurd Joe. Should discussions with his Doctor now be publicly
> discussed? How about with his lawyer? How about with his friends and family?
> Spouse? Bedroom talk? Religious leader? Further even if we now say that his
> Doctor has the right to start openly talking about private conversations,
> that does not mean that it won't reflect poorly on a Doctor who did so.
Unlike doctors and lawyers, college professors don't take a vow of
privacy and they don't see their students privately in one-on-one
sessions. They see them in classrooms full of other people. A
university is a distinctly un-private place. It's your argument that's
absurd, not Joe's.
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 23:06:36
From: RuPEDski
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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"John B." <johnb505@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1164380603.643302.35650@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
>
> RuPEDski wrote:
>> "Joe Ramirez" <josephmramirez@netzero.com> wrote in message
>> news:1164313214.364223.72240@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > RuPEDski wrote:
>> >> "stephenj" <sjek@cox.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:4O29h.59$6g5.6@newsfe22.lga...
>> >> > Calimero wrote:
>> >> >> Wayne schrieb:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
>> >> >>>not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
>> >> >>>pathological liar. ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This professor has no class.
>> >> >> To make derogatory reks about a former student in public simply
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> classless.
>> >> >
>> >> > good point.
>> >>
>> >> An excellent point and well stated.
>> >
>> > Actually, Calimero's argument is completely wrong. A president has
>> > absolutely no legitimate expectation of privacy or confidentiality in
>> > any aspect of his professional or academic careers. Anything he has
>> > ever said or done, to anyone, in any context, is fair game for public
>> > discussion.
>>
>> That's absurd Joe. Should discussions with his Doctor now be publicly
>> discussed? How about with his lawyer? How about with his friends and
>> family?
>> Spouse? Bedroom talk? Religious leader? Further even if we now say that
>> his
>> Doctor has the right to start openly talking about private conversations,
>> that does not mean that it won't reflect poorly on a Doctor who did so.
>
>
> Unlike doctors and lawyers, college professors don't take a vow of
> privacy and they don't see their students privately in one-on-one
> sessions. They see them in classrooms full of other people. A
> university is a distinctly un-private place. It's your argument that's
> absurd, not Joe's.
LOL. Since you first agree with my argument saying that some conversations
are private and then say my argument is absurd, you obviously are having
some comprehension problems. Please try to read the posts carefully and
think about them if you wish to be taken seriously.
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 05:36:11
From: aaa
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
> Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
> student that took place 33 years ago.
It=B4s all a lie - typical commie misinformation. a
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 22:09:03
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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RuPEDski wrote:
> "Joe Ramirez" <josephmramirez@netzero.com> wrote in message
> news:1164313214.364223.72240@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > RuPEDski wrote:
> >> "stephenj" <sjek@cox.net> wrote in message
> >> news:4O29h.59$6g5.6@newsfe22.lga...
> >> > Calimero wrote:
> >> >> Wayne schrieb:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
> >> >>>not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
> >> >>>pathological liar. ...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> This professor has no class.
> >> >> To make derogatory reks about a former student in public simply is
> >> >> classless.
> >> >
> >> > good point.
> >>
> >> An excellent point and well stated.
> >
> > Actually, Calimero's argument is completely wrong. A president has
> > absolutely no legitimate expectation of privacy or confidentiality in
> > any aspect of his professional or academic careers. Anything he has
> > ever said or done, to anyone, in any context, is fair game for public
> > discussion.
>
> That's absurd Joe. Should discussions with his Doctor now be publicly
> discussed? How about with his lawyer? How about with his friends and family?
> Spouse? Bedroom talk? Religious leader? Further even if we now say that his
> Doctor has the right to start openly talking about private conversations,
> that does not mean that it won't reflect poorly on a Doctor who did so.
Read what I wrote: "professional or academic careers." That does not
include (at least not in normal circumstances) traditionally privileged
relationships such as doctor-patient or clergy-penitent. Still less
does it include a relationship with one's spouse. The third sentence in
the paragraph you quote is limited by the second sentence.
Academic stuff is always on the record. Employers get transcripts and
letters of reference all the time. The FBI conducts intrusive
background checks of people applying for the most menial sorts of
federal jobs; they conduct in-depth interviews with whomever they
please, including teachers, classmates, etc. In a president's case, the
prospective "employer" is the electorate.
Joe Ramirez
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 07:05:35
From: RuPEDski
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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"Joe Ramirez" <josephmramirez@netzero.com > wrote in message
news:1164348543.494759.282570@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
>
> RuPEDski wrote:
>> "Joe Ramirez" <josephmramirez@netzero.com> wrote in message
>> news:1164313214.364223.72240@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > RuPEDski wrote:
>> >> "stephenj" <sjek@cox.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:4O29h.59$6g5.6@newsfe22.lga...
>> >> > Calimero wrote:
>> >> >> Wayne schrieb:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
>> >> >>>not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
>> >> >>>pathological liar. ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This professor has no class.
>> >> >> To make derogatory reks about a former student in public simply
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> classless.
>> >> >
>> >> > good point.
>> >>
>> >> An excellent point and well stated.
>> >
>> > Actually, Calimero's argument is completely wrong. A president has
>> > absolutely no legitimate expectation of privacy or confidentiality in
>> > any aspect of his professional or academic careers. Anything he has
>> > ever said or done, to anyone, in any context, is fair game for public
>> > discussion.
>>
>> That's absurd Joe. Should discussions with his Doctor now be publicly
>> discussed? How about with his lawyer? How about with his friends and
>> family?
>> Spouse? Bedroom talk? Religious leader? Further even if we now say that
>> his
>> Doctor has the right to start openly talking about private conversations,
>> that does not mean that it won't reflect poorly on a Doctor who did so.
>
> Read what I wrote: "professional or academic careers." That does not
> include (at least not in normal circumstances) traditionally privileged
> relationships such as doctor-patient or clergy-penitent. Still less
> does it include a relationship with one's spouse. The third sentence in
> the paragraph you quote is limited by the second sentence.
AH, OK, i did read that line but thought you were talking about Bush's
current professional or academic pursuits.
> Academic stuff is always on the record. Employers get transcripts and
> letters of reference all the time. The FBI conducts intrusive
> background checks of people applying for the most menial sorts of
> federal jobs; they conduct in-depth interviews with whomever they
> please, including teachers, classmates, etc. In a president's case, the
> prospective "employer" is the electorate.
I do agree with that, however, I'm not comfortable or impressed at all by
the revealing of personal conversations the 2 might have had. If they wish
to discuss academic performance, fine. The personal conversations and rather
gossipy nature with which this prof. is speaking(which is outside of his
area of expertise and no better than anyone who says, "bush once told
me....blah!") is most repulsive to me.
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 12:20:14
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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RuPEDski wrote:
> "stephenj" <sjek@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:4O29h.59$6g5.6@newsfe22.lga...
> > Calimero wrote:
> >> Wayne schrieb:
> >>
> >>
> >>>His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
> >>>not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
> >>>pathological liar. ...
> >>
> >>
> >> This professor has no class.
> >> To make derogatory reks about a former student in public simply is
> >> classless.
> >
> > good point.
>
> An excellent point and well stated.
Actually, Calimero's argument is completely wrong. A president has
absolutely no legitimate expectation of privacy or confidentiality in
any aspect of his professional or academic careers. Anything he has
ever said or done, to anyone, in any context, is fair game for public
discussion. The voters can decide whether it is relevant. No obligation
of courtesy on the part of a professor to a former student can
supersede the public's right to know. When you seek such a high office,
you simply cannot demand or expect that your former teachers keep quiet
about their opinions of you.
Bush himself would never make such an argument. If one of his former
professors appeared on national TV and asserted that Bush was an ass in
college, Tony Snow might deny it, or claim that the professor took
Bush's reks out of context, or that the professor is senile or
perhaps a paid operative of the Democrats. Karl Rove might even launch
a smear campaign to destroy the professor's credibility. But no one
would argue that the professor was being rude, unprofessional, or
"classless" by discussing Bush's record or behavior. That approach
would be a nonstarter.
Joe Ramirez
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 05:36:00
From: RuPEDski
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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"Joe Ramirez" <josephmramirez@netzero.com > wrote in message
news:1164313214.364223.72240@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
>
> RuPEDski wrote:
>> "stephenj" <sjek@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:4O29h.59$6g5.6@newsfe22.lga...
>> > Calimero wrote:
>> >> Wayne schrieb:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
>> >>>not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
>> >>>pathological liar. ...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> This professor has no class.
>> >> To make derogatory reks about a former student in public simply is
>> >> classless.
>> >
>> > good point.
>>
>> An excellent point and well stated.
>
> Actually, Calimero's argument is completely wrong. A president has
> absolutely no legitimate expectation of privacy or confidentiality in
> any aspect of his professional or academic careers. Anything he has
> ever said or done, to anyone, in any context, is fair game for public
> discussion.
That's absurd Joe. Should discussions with his Doctor now be publicly
discussed? How about with his lawyer? How about with his friends and family?
Spouse? Bedroom talk? Religious leader? Further even if we now say that his
Doctor has the right to start openly talking about private conversations,
that does not mean that it won't reflect poorly on a Doctor who did so.
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 05:51:49
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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In article <4xv9h.363762$R63.181499@pd7urf1no >,
"RuPEDski" <datacipher@hotmail.com > wrote:
> "Joe Ramirez" <josephmramirez@netzero.com> wrote in message
> news:1164313214.364223.72240@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > RuPEDski wrote:
> >> "stephenj" <sjek@cox.net> wrote in message
> >> news:4O29h.59$6g5.6@newsfe22.lga...
> >> > Calimero wrote:
> >> >> Wayne schrieb:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
> >> >>>not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
> >> >>>pathological liar. ...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> This professor has no class.
> >> >> To make derogatory reks about a former student in public simply is
> >> >> classless.
> >> >
> >> > good point.
> >>
> >> An excellent point and well stated.
> >
> > Actually, Calimero's argument is completely wrong. A president has
> > absolutely no legitimate expectation of privacy or confidentiality in
> > any aspect of his professional or academic careers. Anything he has
> > ever said or done, to anyone, in any context, is fair game for public
> > discussion.
>
> That's absurd Joe. Should discussions with his Doctor now be publicly
> discussed? How about with his lawyer?
No. Both of those groups are people to whom we are expected to speak in
confidence and thus are expected by their respective professions to keep
those confidences.
Professors are *not* people we expect to keep our confidences, nor are
public discussions subject to such restrictions anyway.
> How about with his friends and family?
Sure. If those people come to see the person in a different light.
Put it another way: it seems that according to you, no one should ever
reveal anything negative about anyone. How far would you take that?
> Spouse? Bedroom talk? Religious leader? Further even if we now say that his
> Doctor has the right to start openly talking about private conversations,
> that does not mean that it won't reflect poorly on a Doctor who did so.
Doctor's don't have that right. There is an implicit (if not explicit)
agreement of confidentiality between a doctor and a patient.
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 06:42:20
From: drew
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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stephenj wrote:
>
> btw, do you still doubt that leftists and libertarians tend to be
> atheists? i sure hope not ...
It would be easier for you if everyone should have their preferences
tattooed on the forehead.
You'd be far less insecure when dealing with opinions you fear. Of
course it would be very confusing for you because the world would not
be so black and white as you would like it to be.
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 18:50:23
From: Sao Paulo Swallow
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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stephenj wrote:
> rich hammett wrote:
> > In rec.sport.football.college stephenj <sjek@cox.net> sanoi, hitaasti k=
uin h=E4m=E4h=E4kki:
> >
> >>Joe Ramirez wrote:
> >>
> >>>stephenj wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>drew wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an aver=
age
> >>>>>>student that took place 33 years ago.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>This professor was clearly impressed by Bush's lack of
> >>>>>character and his poor academic performance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>since he managed to graduate, he probably did better in other classes.
> >>>>so perhaps it was the professor's liberal bias that 'caused' bush's p=
oor
> >>>>performance in his class .. ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Well, the stereotype from the right side of the aisle is that
> >>>conservative profs are rigorous graders who cut no corners and extend
> >>>no favors, whereas liberals are softies who promote grade inflation to
> >>>avoid damaging their students' self-esteem. Right? :)
> >
> >
> >>in classes with politically contentious content, the prof usually has
> >>his personal political biases. those biases were probably what motivated
> >>them to take an interest in the subject to begin with.
> >
> >
> >>that said, in my experience, which admittedely isn't necessarily
> >>representative, a liberal student (in a class run by a conservative
> >>professor) who is otherwise intelligent and does his/her work is more
> >>likely to *not* have their personal ideology count against them come
> >>grading time than a conservative student is vis-a-vis a liberal
> >>professor. the liberal profs tend to 'bleed' over this stuff far more.
> >>conservative profs tend to be more detached, more intellectual about it.
> >
> >
> > Lemme guess
>
> .. you are once again clueless.
>
> btw, do you still doubt that leftists and libertarians tend to be
> atheists? i sure hope not ...
>=20
>=20
Links?
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 08:04:03
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
> stephenj wrote:
>
>>rich hammett wrote:
>>
>>>In rec.sport.football.college stephenj <sjek@cox.net> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Joe Ramirez wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>stephenj wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>drew wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
>>>>>>>>student that took place 33 years ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This professor was clearly impressed by Bush's lack of
>>>>>>>character and his poor academic performance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>since he managed to graduate, he probably did better in other classes.
>>>>>>so perhaps it was the professor's liberal bias that 'caused' bush's poor
>>>>>>performance in his class .. ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, the stereotype from the right side of the aisle is that
>>>>>conservative profs are rigorous graders who cut no corners and extend
>>>>>no favors, whereas liberals are softies who promote grade inflation to
>>>>>avoid damaging their students' self-esteem. Right? :)
>>>
>>>
>>>>in classes with politically contentious content, the prof usually has
>>>>his personal political biases. those biases were probably what motivated
>>>>them to take an interest in the subject to begin with.
>>>
>>>
>>>>that said, in my experience, which admittedely isn't necessarily
>>>>representative, a liberal student (in a class run by a conservative
>>>>professor) who is otherwise intelligent and does his/her work is more
>>>>likely to *not* have their personal ideology count against them come
>>>>grading time than a conservative student is vis-a-vis a liberal
>>>>professor. the liberal profs tend to 'bleed' over this stuff far more.
>>>>conservative profs tend to be more detached, more intellectual about it.
>>>
>>>
>>>Lemme guess
>>
>>.. you are once again clueless.
>>
>>btw, do you still doubt that leftists and libertarians tend to be
>>atheists? i sure hope not ...
>>
>>
>
>
> Links?
to proof that you are clueless? just google 'sao paulo swallow' and click.
--
"when i visited Aden before collectivization,
all the kets were full of fish product. After
collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
- Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 18:24:41
From: ken.overton@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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drew wrote:
>
> I didn't know there was a church of the moronic. If there is one, I'm
> sure you would be the priest and choirboy.
Translation: "Go fuck yourself."
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 18:20:46
From: drew
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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stephenj wrote:
> Jon Enslin wrote:
> > drew wrote:
> >
> >>stephenj wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> "drew" is a confirmed moron on several ng's. not funny but sad, if you
> frequent them.
I didn't know there was a church of the moronic. If there is one, I'm
sure you would be the priest and choirboy.
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 20:40:58
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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drew wrote:
> stephenj wrote:
>
>>Jon Enslin wrote:
>>
>>>drew wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>stephenj wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>"drew" is a confirmed moron on several ng's. not funny but sad, if you
>>frequent them.
>
>
> I didn't know there was a church of the moronic.
yes - and you're the pope of it.
--
"when i visited Aden before collectivization,
all the kets were full of fish product. After
collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
- Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 16:52:38
From: Tighthead
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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Wayne wrote:
> His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
> not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
> pathological liar.
>
Does showing a popular movie in a HBS class seem a little lame? Maybe
for a high school class...
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 18:57:23
From: The Grand Beckoning
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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And does this little jap also complain about the Swiftboat Vets?
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 15:52:08
From: Calimero
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
Alan Baker schrieb:
> In article <1164219398.762016.159120@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "Calimero" <calimero377@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> > Wayne schrieb:
> >
> > > His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
> > > not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
> > > pathological liar. ...
> >
> > This professor has no class.
> > To make derogatory reks about a former student in public simply is
> > classless.
> > And I don't believe classless people.
> > They usually lie.
> >
> > Max
>
> Why am I sure you'd have no trouble believing him if he'd been talking
> about, say, Hilary Clinton?
I wouldn't believe him.
But it is telling that "liberals" don't even seem to grasp what I mean
by classless.
There are certain things you just don't do. One of them is to diss
former students publicly.
Someone who is able to do this has no problems to tell outright lies.
If it only help his political agenda.
Max
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 03:33:02
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
In article <1164239528.445420.215280@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com >,
"Calimero" <calimero377@gmx.de > wrote:
> Alan Baker schrieb:
>
> > In article <1164219398.762016.159120@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Calimero" <calimero377@gmx.de> wrote:
> >
> > > Wayne schrieb:
> > >
> > > > His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
> > > > not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
> > > > pathological liar. ...
> > >
> > > This professor has no class.
> > > To make derogatory reks about a former student in public simply is
> > > classless.
> > > And I don't believe classless people.
> > > They usually lie.
> > >
> > > Max
> >
> > Why am I sure you'd have no trouble believing him if he'd been talking
> > about, say, Hilary Clinton?
>
> I wouldn't believe him.
I don't believe you.
> But it is telling that "liberals" don't even seem to grasp what I mean
> by classless.
I grasp what you mean, fine. I just disagree.
But then, I'm not a liberal.
> There are certain things you just don't do. One of them is to diss
> former students publicly.
Even if it's the truth and that person holds high office where it might
be considered an obligation to reveal their shortcomings.
> Someone who is able to do this has no problems to tell outright lies.
> If it only help his political agenda.
Nice bit of circular logic. Someone who tells an unpleasant truth is --
according to you -- capable of telling lies, therefore the unpleasant
truth can be dismissed as an "outright lie".
--
'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.'
"It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix'
(Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a keting rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 14:30:33
From: RuPEDski
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net > wrote in message
news:alangbaker-808423.19330122112006@news.telus.net...
> In article <1164239528.445420.215280@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
> "Calimero" <calimero377@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> Alan Baker schrieb:
>>
>> > In article <1164219398.762016.159120@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>> > "Calimero" <calimero377@gmx.de> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Wayne schrieb:
>> > >
>> > > > His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
>> > > > not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
>> > > > pathological liar. ...
>> > >
>> > > This professor has no class.
>> > > To make derogatory reks about a former student in public simply is
>> > > classless.
>> > > And I don't believe classless people.
>> > > They usually lie.
>> > >
>> > > Max
>> >
>> > Why am I sure you'd have no trouble believing him if he'd been talking
>> > about, say, Hilary Clinton?
>>
>> I wouldn't believe him.
>
> I don't believe you.
>
>> But it is telling that "liberals" don't even seem to grasp what I mean
>> by classless.
>
> I grasp what you mean, fine. I just disagree.
>
> But then, I'm not a liberal.
>
>> There are certain things you just don't do. One of them is to diss
>> former students publicly.
>
> Even if it's the truth and that person holds high office where it might
> be considered an obligation to reveal their shortcomings.
>
>> Someone who is able to do this has no problems to tell outright lies.
>> If it only help his political agenda.
>
> Nice bit of circular logic. Someone who tells an unpleasant truth is --
> according to you -- capable of telling lies, therefore the unpleasant
> truth can be dismissed as an "outright lie".
No, I believe what he is saying is that somebody who would actually do that
would be capable of outright lies and therefore has shown his word to be
untrustworthy. ie. Somebody who confesses to be being a rapist cannot be
trusted when he then says he wouldn't murder somebody...
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 19:58:38
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
In article <dgi9h.354008$5R2.1867@pd7urf3no >,
"RuPEDski" <datacipher@hotmail.com > wrote:
> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-808423.19330122112006@news.telus.net...
> > In article <1164239528.445420.215280@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Calimero" <calimero377@gmx.de> wrote:
> >
> >> Alan Baker schrieb:
> >>
> >> > In article <1164219398.762016.159120@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> >> > "Calimero" <calimero377@gmx.de> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Wayne schrieb:
> >> > >
> >> > > > His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
> >> > > > not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
> >> > > > pathological liar. ...
> >> > >
> >> > > This professor has no class.
> >> > > To make derogatory reks about a former student in public simply is
> >> > > classless.
> >> > > And I don't believe classless people.
> >> > > They usually lie.
> >> > >
> >> > > Max
> >> >
> >> > Why am I sure you'd have no trouble believing him if he'd been talking
> >> > about, say, Hilary Clinton?
> >>
> >> I wouldn't believe him.
> >
> > I don't believe you.
> >
> >> But it is telling that "liberals" don't even seem to grasp what I mean
> >> by classless.
> >
> > I grasp what you mean, fine. I just disagree.
> >
> > But then, I'm not a liberal.
> >
> >> There are certain things you just don't do. One of them is to diss
> >> former students publicly.
> >
> > Even if it's the truth and that person holds high office where it might
> > be considered an obligation to reveal their shortcomings.
> >
> >> Someone who is able to do this has no problems to tell outright lies.
> >> If it only help his political agenda.
> >
> > Nice bit of circular logic. Someone who tells an unpleasant truth is --
> > according to you -- capable of telling lies, therefore the unpleasant
> > truth can be dismissed as an "outright lie".
>
> No, I believe what he is saying is that somebody who would actually do that
> would be capable of outright lies and therefore has shown his word to be
> untrustworthy. ie. Somebody who confesses to be being a rapist cannot be
> trusted when he then says he wouldn't murder somebody...
The trouble is, you have to equate discussing the character of an
ex-student who now holds a position of trust with rape for that to make
sense.
--
'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.'
"It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix'
(Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a keting rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 05:31:39
From: RuPEDski
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net > wrote in message
news:alangbaker-EC3ECF.11583823112006@news.telus.net...
> In article <dgi9h.354008$5R2.1867@pd7urf3no>,
> "RuPEDski" <datacipher@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
>> news:alangbaker-808423.19330122112006@news.telus.net...
>> > In article <1164239528.445420.215280@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
>> > "Calimero" <calimero377@gmx.de> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Alan Baker schrieb:
>> >>
>> >> > In article <1164219398.762016.159120@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>> >> > "Calimero" <calimero377@gmx.de> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Wayne schrieb:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W.
>> >> > > > Bush
>> >> > > > not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
>> >> > > > pathological liar. ...
>> >> > >
>> >> > > This professor has no class.
>> >> > > To make derogatory reks about a former student in public simply
>> >> > > is
>> >> > > classless.
>> >> > > And I don't believe classless people.
>> >> > > They usually lie.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Max
>> >> >
>> >> > Why am I sure you'd have no trouble believing him if he'd been
>> >> > talking
>> >> > about, say, Hilary Clinton?
>> >>
>> >> I wouldn't believe him.
>> >
>> > I don't believe you.
>> >
>> >> But it is telling that "liberals" don't even seem to grasp what I mean
>> >> by classless.
>> >
>> > I grasp what you mean, fine. I just disagree.
>> >
>> > But then, I'm not a liberal.
>> >
>> >> There are certain things you just don't do. One of them is to diss
>> >> former students publicly.
>> >
>> > Even if it's the truth and that person holds high office where it might
>> > be considered an obligation to reveal their shortcomings.
>> >
>> >> Someone who is able to do this has no problems to tell outright lies.
>> >> If it only help his political agenda.
>> >
>> > Nice bit of circular logic. Someone who tells an unpleasant truth is --
>> > according to you -- capable of telling lies, therefore the unpleasant
>> > truth can be dismissed as an "outright lie".
>>
>> No, I believe what he is saying is that somebody who would actually do
>> that
>> would be capable of outright lies and therefore has shown his word to be
>> untrustworthy. ie. Somebody who confesses to be being a rapist cannot be
>> trusted when he then says he wouldn't murder somebody...
>
> The trouble is, you have to equate discussing the character of an
> ex-student who now holds a position of trust with rape for that to make
> sense.
No, you don't. It is a metaphor to demonstrate the reasoning. I am not
equating the 2 examples in content. Quite the opposite, I chose kedly
different content to remove the political bias.
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 05:47:19
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
In article <%sv9h.355977$1T2.339223@pd7urf2no >,
"RuPEDski" <datacipher@hotmail.com > wrote:
> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-EC3ECF.11583823112006@news.telus.net...
> > In article <dgi9h.354008$5R2.1867@pd7urf3no>,
> > "RuPEDski" <datacipher@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
> >> news:alangbaker-808423.19330122112006@news.telus.net...
> >> > In article <1164239528.445420.215280@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
> >> > "Calimero" <calimero377@gmx.de> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Alan Baker schrieb:
> >> >>
> >> >> > In article <1164219398.762016.159120@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> > "Calimero" <calimero377@gmx.de> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > Wayne schrieb:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W.
> >> >> > > > Bush
> >> >> > > > not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
> >> >> > > > pathological liar. ...
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > This professor has no class.
> >> >> > > To make derogatory reks about a former student in public simply
> >> >> > > is
> >> >> > > classless.
> >> >> > > And I don't believe classless people.
> >> >> > > They usually lie.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Max
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Why am I sure you'd have no trouble believing him if he'd been
> >> >> > talking
> >> >> > about, say, Hilary Clinton?
> >> >>
> >> >> I wouldn't believe him.
> >> >
> >> > I don't believe you.
> >> >
> >> >> But it is telling that "liberals" don't even seem to grasp what I mean
> >> >> by classless.
> >> >
> >> > I grasp what you mean, fine. I just disagree.
> >> >
> >> > But then, I'm not a liberal.
> >> >
> >> >> There are certain things you just don't do. One of them is to diss
> >> >> former students publicly.
> >> >
> >> > Even if it's the truth and that person holds high office where it might
> >> > be considered an obligation to reveal their shortcomings.
> >> >
> >> >> Someone who is able to do this has no problems to tell outright lies.
> >> >> If it only help his political agenda.
> >> >
> >> > Nice bit of circular logic. Someone who tells an unpleasant truth is --
> >> > according to you -- capable of telling lies, therefore the unpleasant
> >> > truth can be dismissed as an "outright lie".
> >>
> >> No, I believe what he is saying is that somebody who would actually do
> >> that
> >> would be capable of outright lies and therefore has shown his word to be
> >> untrustworthy. ie. Somebody who confesses to be being a rapist cannot be
> >> trusted when he then says he wouldn't murder somebody...
> >
> > The trouble is, you have to equate discussing the character of an
> > ex-student who now holds a position of trust with rape for that to make
> > sense.
>
> No, you don't. It is a metaphor to demonstrate the reasoning. I am not
> equating the 2 examples in content. Quite the opposite, I chose kedly
> different content to remove the political bias.
I'm sorry that you can't get this: you said basically that talking about
a student was sufficiently horrible that one must assume someone who
would do that would lie and analogized the levels with those of rape and
murder.
But that assumes that there is a relationship like (talk about a former
student):(lie about a former student)::(rape):(murder), and that just
doesn't wash.
One *can* assume that someone who is willing to rape might also be
willing to murder; both are sufficiently universally reviled acts. But
you cannot assume that someone who is willing to talk about a former
student is also willing to lie because *you* believe that the former is
reprehensible. There is no similar universality as to where or not such
an act is on a moral level with outright lying.
Now: have I spelled it out sufficiently for you?
--
'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.'
"It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix'
(Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a keting rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 07:00:36
From: RuPEDski
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net > wrote in message
news:alangbaker-76527A.21471923112006@news.telus.net...
> In article <%sv9h.355977$1T2.339223@pd7urf2no>,
> "RuPEDski" <datacipher@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
>> news:alangbaker-EC3ECF.11583823112006@news.telus.net...
>> > In article <dgi9h.354008$5R2.1867@pd7urf3no>,
>> > "RuPEDski" <datacipher@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:alangbaker-808423.19330122112006@news.telus.net...
>> >> > In article <1164239528.445420.215280@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
>> >> > "Calimero" <calimero377@gmx.de> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Alan Baker schrieb:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > In article
>> >> >> > <1164219398.762016.159120@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>> >> >> > "Calimero" <calimero377@gmx.de> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > Wayne schrieb:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > > His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George
>> >> >> > > > W.
>> >> >> > > > Bush
>> >> >> > > > not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
>> >> >> > > > pathological liar. ...
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > This professor has no class.
>> >> >> > > To make derogatory reks about a former student in public
>> >> >> > > simply
>> >> >> > > is
>> >> >> > > classless.
>> >> >> > > And I don't believe classless people.
>> >> >> > > They usually lie.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Max
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Why am I sure you'd have no trouble believing him if he'd been
>> >> >> > talking
>> >> >> > about, say, Hilary Clinton?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I wouldn't believe him.
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't believe you.
>> >> >
>> >> >> But it is telling that "liberals" don't even seem to grasp what I
>> >> >> mean
>> >> >> by classless.
>> >> >
>> >> > I grasp what you mean, fine. I just disagree.
>> >> >
>> >> > But then, I'm not a liberal.
>> >> >
>> >> >> There are certain things you just don't do. One of them is to diss
>> >> >> former students publicly.
>> >> >
>> >> > Even if it's the truth and that person holds high office where it
>> >> > might
>> >> > be considered an obligation to reveal their shortcomings.
>> >> >
>> >> >> Someone who is able to do this has no problems to tell outright
>> >> >> lies.
>> >> >> If it only help his political agenda.
>> >> >
>> >> > Nice bit of circular logic. Someone who tells an unpleasant truth
>> >> > is --
>> >> > according to you -- capable of telling lies, therefore the
>> >> > unpleasant
>> >> > truth can be dismissed as an "outright lie".
>> >>
>> >> No, I believe what he is saying is that somebody who would actually do
>> >> that
>> >> would be capable of outright lies and therefore has shown his word to
>> >> be
>> >> untrustworthy. ie. Somebody who confesses to be being a rapist cannot
>> >> be
>> >> trusted when he then says he wouldn't murder somebody...
>> >
>> > The trouble is, you have to equate discussing the character of an
>> > ex-student who now holds a position of trust with rape for that to make
>> > sense.
>>
>> No, you don't. It is a metaphor to demonstrate the reasoning. I am not
>> equating the 2 examples in content. Quite the opposite, I chose kedly
>> different content to remove the political bias.
>
> I'm sorry that you can't get this: you said basically that talking about
> a student was sufficiently horrible that one must assume someone who
> would do that would lie and analogized the levels with those of rape and
> murder.
No, I'm sorry that you don't get even realize that I never said that any of
those things. The whole premise was started by somebody else. You simply
either purposely or ignorantly misinterpreted their reasoning with poor
logic and i attempted to help you see that. Now I see that you are either
not capable or not willing to discuss this rationally.
> But that assumes that there is a relationship like (talk about a former
> student):(lie about a former student)::(rape):(murder), and that just
> doesn't wash.
ROFL. I did note even assert the first statement and the 2nd relationship is
completely irrelevant as it was merely an illustration to HELP you
understand what I believe the original poster was saying.
> One *can* assume that someone who is willing to rape might also be
> willing to murder; both are sufficiently universally reviled acts. But
> you cannot assume that someone who is willing to talk about a former
> student is also willing to lie because *you* believe that the former is
> reprehensible. There is no similar universality as to where or not such
> an act is on a moral level with outright lying.
How sad. AGAIN, I did not make the original statement. I explained to you
the reasoning. Now that you understand the reasoning, if you disagree with
it, you can address it with the original poster. Even funnier, you are now
agreeing that my example was a good one.
> Now: have I spelled it out sufficiently for you?
Yes, you have sufficiently demonstrated your utter confusion. Again, if you
don't believe the premise that somebody who would talk about personal
conversations with a former student would also lie, you should address your
objection to the original poster. Glad to be of help.
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 15:28:15
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
stephenj wrote:
> Calimero wrote:
> > Wayne schrieb:
> >
> >
> >>His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
> >>not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
> >>pathological liar. ...
> >
> >
> > This professor has no class.
> > To make derogatory reks about a former student in public simply is
> > classless.
>
> good point.
Not when the former student is president of the United States. What
amazes me is that there is even one person left on the planet defending
GW Bush's competence and intelligence after 6 yrs. of appalling
stupidity, ignorance, arrogance and semi-literacy. I believe everything
that professor said because it squares with everything I've observed
since Bush ran for president in 2000.
>
>
> --
> "when i visited Aden before collectivization,
> all the kets were full of fish product. After
> collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
>
> - Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official
|
| |
Date: 22 Nov 2006 14:40:27
From: Sao Paulo Swallow
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
stephenj wrote:
> Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
> > stephenj wrote:
> >
> >>Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
> >>
> >>>stephenj wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>stephenj wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>drew wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
> >>>>>>>>student that took place 33 years ago.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>This professor was clearly impressed by Bush's lack of
> >>>>>>>character and his poor academic performance.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>since he managed to graduate, he probably did better in other classes.
> >>>>>>so perhaps it was the professor's liberal bias that 'caused' bush's poor
> >>>>>>performance in his class .. ?
> >>>>
> >>>>>Oh, that's rich. Forget about the dog eating the homework:
> >>>>
> >>>>look at the topics that the professor singles out for his complaints
> >>>>against bush: government providing heating oil money for the poor,
> >>>>discussions of the new deal, social security, medicare, unionization..
> >>>>
> >>>>that's all liberal stuff.
> >>>>
> >>>>what probably happened is that this liberal prof tried to indoctrinate
> >>>>the class in bleeding-heart pinko socialistic welfare-state ideology,
> >>>>and bush hammered him badly on it, shamed and humbled the prof before
> >>>>the whole class. he's still licking his wounds 30 years later ..
> >>>>
> >>>>too bad his attempt to smear bush before the 04 election failed. lol.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Wow, Your delusions about Bush run very deep.
> >>
> >>no, your hatred of bush is worn on your sleeve. and it has obviously
> >>pickled your brain.
>
> > So you break ranks with major conservative pundits
>
> .. ones who claim Bush is a pathological liar? I sure do.
>
>
Hmmm. Haven't heard any serious conservatives call Bush a pathological
liar. But heard plenty else, like David Frum saying he overestimated
Bush's intelligence when wrote speeches for him and economic experts
like Pete Peterson saying Bush's econimic policies are a disaster and
Buckley saying Bush, et al., have destroyed American foriegn policy and
the military.
How 'bout those?
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| | |
Date: 22 Nov 2006 16:59:05
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
> stephenj wrote:
>
>>Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
>>
>>>stephenj wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>stephenj wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>stephenj wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>drew wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
>>>>>>>>>>student that took place 33 years ago.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>This professor was clearly impressed by Bush's lack of
>>>>>>>>>character and his poor academic performance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>since he managed to graduate, he probably did better in other classes.
>>>>>>>>so perhaps it was the professor's liberal bias that 'caused' bush's poor
>>>>>>>>performance in his class .. ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Oh, that's rich. Forget about the dog eating the homework:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>look at the topics that the professor singles out for his complaints
>>>>>>against bush: government providing heating oil money for the poor,
>>>>>>discussions of the new deal, social security, medicare, unionization..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>that's all liberal stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>what probably happened is that this liberal prof tried to indoctrinate
>>>>>>the class in bleeding-heart pinko socialistic welfare-state ideology,
>>>>>>and bush hammered him badly on it, shamed and humbled the prof before
>>>>>>the whole class. he's still licking his wounds 30 years later ..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>too bad his attempt to smear bush before the 04 election failed. lol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Wow, Your delusions about Bush run very deep.
>>>>
>>>>no, your hatred of bush is worn on your sleeve. and it has obviously
>>>>pickled your brain.
>>
>>>So you break ranks with major conservative pundits
>>
>>.. ones who claim Bush is a pathological liar? I sure do.
>>
>>
>
>
> Hmmm. Haven't heard any serious conservatives call Bush a pathological
> liar.
ok, well that's what the commie pinko liberal harvard professor called
him. so come up with some of those. lol.
--
"when i visited Aden before collectivization,
all the kets were full of fish product. After
collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
- Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official
|
| |
Date: 22 Nov 2006 13:35:55
From: Sao Paulo Swallow
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
stephenj wrote:
> Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
> > stephenj wrote:
> >
> >>Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
> >>
> >>>stephenj wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>drew wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
> >>>>>>student that took place 33 years ago.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>This professor was clearly impressed by Bush's lack of
> >>>>>character and his poor academic performance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>since he managed to graduate, he probably did better in other classes.
> >>>>so perhaps it was the professor's liberal bias that 'caused' bush's poor
> >>>>performance in his class .. ?
> >>
> >>>Oh, that's rich. Forget about the dog eating the homework:
> >>
> >>look at the topics that the professor singles out for his complaints
> >>against bush: government providing heating oil money for the poor,
> >>discussions of the new deal, social security, medicare, unionization..
> >>
> >>that's all liberal stuff.
> >>
> >>what probably happened is that this liberal prof tried to indoctrinate
> >>the class in bleeding-heart pinko socialistic welfare-state ideology,
> >>and bush hammered him badly on it, shamed and humbled the prof before
> >>the whole class. he's still licking his wounds 30 years later ..
> >>
> >>too bad his attempt to smear bush before the 04 election failed. lol.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Wow, Your delusions about Bush run very deep.
>
> no, your hatred of bush is worn on your sleeve. and it has obviously
> pickled your brain.
>
>
> --
> I believe in Academic Freedom, but not as it is expounded
> by kooks and commies and egghead professors.
>
> - Tip 'O Neill
So you break ranks with major conservative pundits like former Bush
speechwriter David Frum, Pete Peterson, Francis Fukuyama, and WIlliam
F. Buckley, the granddaddy of them all?
Oh, you're probably a Pat Robertson conservative. That explanis it.
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| | |
Date: 22 Nov 2006 16:23:49
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
> stephenj wrote:
>
>>Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
>>
>>>stephenj wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>stephenj wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>drew wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
>>>>>>>>student that took place 33 years ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This professor was clearly impressed by Bush's lack of
>>>>>>>character and his poor academic performance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>since he managed to graduate, he probably did better in other classes.
>>>>>>so perhaps it was the professor's liberal bias that 'caused' bush's poor
>>>>>>performance in his class .. ?
>>>>
>>>>>Oh, that's rich. Forget about the dog eating the homework:
>>>>
>>>>look at the topics that the professor singles out for his complaints
>>>>against bush: government providing heating oil money for the poor,
>>>>discussions of the new deal, social security, medicare, unionization..
>>>>
>>>>that's all liberal stuff.
>>>>
>>>>what probably happened is that this liberal prof tried to indoctrinate
>>>>the class in bleeding-heart pinko socialistic welfare-state ideology,
>>>>and bush hammered him badly on it, shamed and humbled the prof before
>>>>the whole class. he's still licking his wounds 30 years later ..
>>>>
>>>>too bad his attempt to smear bush before the 04 election failed. lol.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wow, Your delusions about Bush run very deep.
>>
>>no, your hatred of bush is worn on your sleeve. and it has obviously
>>pickled your brain.
> So you break ranks with major conservative pundits
.. ones who claim Bush is a pathological liar? I sure do.
--
"when i visited Aden before collectivization,
all the kets were full of fish product. After
collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
- Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official
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| |
Date: 22 Nov 2006 13:27:23
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
stephenj wrote:
> Joe Ramirez wrote:
> > stephenj wrote:
> >
> >>drew wrote:
> >>
> >>>lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
> >>>>student that took place 33 years ago.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This professor was clearly impressed by Bush's lack of
> >>>character and his poor academic performance.
> >>>
> >>
> >>since he managed to graduate, he probably did better in other classes.
> >>so perhaps it was the professor's liberal bias that 'caused' bush's poor
> >>performance in his class .. ?
> >
> >
> > Well, the stereotype from the right side of the aisle is that
> > conservative profs are rigorous graders who cut no corners and extend
> > no favors, whereas liberals are softies who promote grade inflation to
> > avoid damaging their students' self-esteem. Right? :)
>
> in classes with politically contentious content, the prof usually has
> his personal political biases. those biases were probably what motivated
> them to take an interest in the subject to begin with.
>
> that said, in my experience, which admittedely isn't necessarily
> representative, a liberal student (in a class run by a conservative
> professor) who is otherwise intelligent and does his/her work is more
> likely to *not* have their personal ideology count against them come
> grading time than a conservative student is vis-a-vis a liberal
> professor. the liberal profs tend to 'bleed' over this stuff far more.
> conservative profs tend to be more detached, more intellectual about it.
Ideological professors have to achieve a balance between
craft/conscientiousness and their political views, and I think it's
different for everyone, but not necessarily dependent on left vs. right
orientation. For example, Harvard geologist/evolutionary biologist
Stephen Jay Gould -- notably leftward on the spectrum; you might label
him a "socialist" or "communist" or something like that -- once had a
graduate student who was a hardcore creationist. A graduate student!
This means Gould was not averse to turning out a PhD who thought kindly
of Flood Geology. But the guy did the technical work and understood how
to separate his religious views from the facts in the ground, and AFAIK
he got through the program with a good grade from Gould.
Joe Ramirez
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 16:22:25
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
Joe Ramirez wrote:
> stephenj wrote:
>
>>Joe Ramirez wrote:
>>
>>>stephenj wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>drew wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
>>>>>>student that took place 33 years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>This professor was clearly impressed by Bush's lack of
>>>>>character and his poor academic performance.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>since he managed to graduate, he probably did better in other classes.
>>>>so perhaps it was the professor's liberal bias that 'caused' bush's poor
>>>>performance in his class .. ?
>>>
>>>
>>>Well, the stereotype from the right side of the aisle is that
>>>conservative profs are rigorous graders who cut no corners and extend
>>>no favors, whereas liberals are softies who promote grade inflation to
>>>avoid damaging their students' self-esteem. Right? :)
>>
>>in classes with politically contentious content, the prof usually has
>>his personal political biases. those biases were probably what motivated
>>them to take an interest in the subject to begin with.
>>
>>that said, in my experience, which admittedely isn't necessarily
>>representative, a liberal student (in a class run by a conservative
>>professor) who is otherwise intelligent and does his/her work is more
>>likely to *not* have their personal ideology count against them come
>>grading time than a conservative student is vis-a-vis a liberal
>>professor. the liberal profs tend to 'bleed' over this stuff far more.
>>conservative profs tend to be more detached, more intellectual about it.
>
>
> Ideological professors have to achieve a balance between
> craft/conscientiousness and their political views, and I think it's
> different for everyone, but not necessarily dependent on left vs. right
> orientation. For example, Harvard geologist/evolutionary biologist
> Stephen Jay Gould -- notably leftward on the spectrum; you might label
> him a "socialist" or "communist" or something like that -- once had a
> graduate student who was a hardcore creationist. A graduate student!
> This means Gould was not averse to turning out a PhD who thought kindly
> of Flood Geology. But the guy did the technical work and understood how
> to separate his religious views from the facts in the ground, and AFAIK
> he got through the program with a good grade from Gould.
Props to Gould! :)
--
"when i visited Aden before collectivization,
all the kets were full of fish product. After
collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
- Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 03:32:27
From: RuPEDski
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
"stephenj" <sjek@cox.net > wrote in message
news:D449h.256$jH3.61@newsfe14.lga...
> Joe Ramirez wrote:
>> stephenj wrote:
>>
>>>Joe Ramirez wrote:
>>>
>>>>stephenj wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>drew wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an
>>>>>>>average
>>>>>>>student that took place 33 years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This professor was clearly impressed by Bush's lack of
>>>>>>character and his poor academic performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>since he managed to graduate, he probably did better in other classes.
>>>>>so perhaps it was the professor's liberal bias that 'caused' bush's
>>>>>poor
>>>>>performance in his class .. ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Well, the stereotype from the right side of the aisle is that
>>>>conservative profs are rigorous graders who cut no corners and extend
>>>>no favors, whereas liberals are softies who promote grade inflation to
>>>>avoid damaging their students' self-esteem. Right? :)
>>>
>>>in classes with politically contentious content, the prof usually has
>>>his personal political biases. those biases were probably what motivated
>>>them to take an interest in the subject to begin with.
>>>
>>>that said, in my experience, which admittedely isn't necessarily
>>>representative, a liberal student (in a class run by a conservative
>>>professor) who is otherwise intelligent and does his/her work is more
>>>likely to *not* have their personal ideology count against them come
>>>grading time than a conservative student is vis-a-vis a liberal
>>>professor. the liberal profs tend to 'bleed' over this stuff far more.
>>>conservative profs tend to be more detached, more intellectual about it.
>>
>>
>> Ideological professors have to achieve a balance between
>> craft/conscientiousness and their political views, and I think it's
>> different for everyone, but not necessarily dependent on left vs. right
>> orientation. For example, Harvard geologist/evolutionary biologist
>> Stephen Jay Gould -- notably leftward on the spectrum; you might label
>> him a "socialist" or "communist" or something like that -- once had a
>> graduate student who was a hardcore creationist. A graduate student!
>> This means Gould was not averse to turning out a PhD who thought kindly
>> of Flood Geology. But the guy did the technical work and understood how
>> to separate his religious views from the facts in the ground, and AFAIK
>> he got through the program with a good grade from Gould.
>
> Props to Gould! :)
Yes, there are certainly exceptions. Though we dont' know if Gould for
example is always that open or if he had a unique relationships with that
student. In any case though, I tend to think Steve right for my experience,
the ultra conservatives may be just as polarized in belief as the leftists,
but the liberals tend to be much more emotionally charged on average. It
leaks through much more into their classes in general.
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 06:11:26
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
RuPEDski wrote:
> "stephenj" <sjek@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> Yes, there are certainly exceptions. Though we dont' know if Gould for
> example is always that open or if he had a unique relationships with that
> student. In any case though, I tend to think Steve right for my experience,
> the ultra conservatives may be just as polarized in belief as the leftists,
> but the liberals tend to be much more emotionally charged on average. It
> leaks through much more into their classes in general.
part of that is the content of some radical leftist ideology. for
example, to some leftists, saying that roe v. wade was a bad decision
isn't just a political opinion, voicing that opinion is itself
tanatamount to committing an "act of violence against women", and so the
radical tends to treat you that way. likewise, to some leftists, being
against affirmative action isn't a political opinion that reasonable
people can differ on, it is a racist belief that reveals you to be a
racist, etc.
--
"when i visited Aden before collectivization,
all the kets were full of fish product. After
collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
- Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official
|
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 05:30:46
From: RuPEDski
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
"stephenj" <sjek@cox.net > wrote in message
news:Rdg9h.64$Rx7.34@newsfe23.lga...
> RuPEDski wrote:
>> "stephenj" <sjek@cox.net> wrote in message
>
>>
>> Yes, there are certainly exceptions. Though we dont' know if Gould for
>> example is always that open or if he had a unique relationships with that
>> student. In any case though, I tend to think Steve right for my
>> experience, the ultra conservatives may be just as polarized in belief as
>> the leftists, but the liberals tend to be much more emotionally charged
>> on average. It leaks through much more into their classes in general.
>
> part of that is the content of some radical leftist ideology. for example,
> to some leftists, saying that roe v. wade was a bad decision isn't just a
> political opinion, voicing that opinion is itself tanatamount to
> committing an "act of violence against women", and so the radical tends to
> treat you that way. likewise, to some leftists, being against affirmative
> action isn't a political opinion that reasonable people can differ on, it
> is a racist belief that reveals you to be a racist, etc.
Indeed. Again, their emotions make them unable to stick to the facts or to
pure logic. Things are not taken for what they are, but must be changed into
something which justifies their own bias. In a nutshell this is also why
some of the biggest idiots in this ng hate me! I state it as I see it
without cushioning and double talk, when this infringes on their emotional
attachments(what!! That was vaguely negative towards R. FED!!!!!!NOO!!!!!!!)
they go ballistic and later angry when their emotional arguments fall apart.
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| |
Date: 22 Nov 2006 13:16:44
From: Sao Paulo Swallow
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
stephenj wrote:
> Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
> > stephenj wrote:
> >
> >>drew wrote:
> >>
> >>>lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
> >>>>student that took place 33 years ago.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This professor was clearly impressed by Bush's lack of
> >>>character and his poor academic performance.
> >>>
> >>
> >>since he managed to graduate, he probably did better in other classes.
> >>so perhaps it was the professor's liberal bias that 'caused' bush's poor
> >>performance in his class .. ?
>
> > Oh, that's rich. Forget about the dog eating the homework:
>
> look at the topics that the professor singles out for his complaints
> against bush: government providing heating oil money for the poor,
> discussions of the new deal, social security, medicare, unionization..
>
> that's all liberal stuff.
>
> what probably happened is that this liberal prof tried to indoctrinate
> the class in bleeding-heart pinko socialistic welfare-state ideology,
> and bush hammered him badly on it, shamed and humbled the prof before
> the whole class. he's still licking his wounds 30 years later ..
>
> too bad his attempt to smear bush before the 04 election failed. lol.
>
>
>
Wow, Your delusions about Bush run very deep. I suggest you read some
good conservatives at the stalwart National Review. Even their eyes
have been opened. You may be the last person, liberal or conservative,
Dem or Repub, who thinks Bush is brainy.
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 15:22:00
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
> stephenj wrote:
>
>>Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
>>
>>>stephenj wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>drew wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
>>>>>>student that took place 33 years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>This professor was clearly impressed by Bush's lack of
>>>>>character and his poor academic performance.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>since he managed to graduate, he probably did better in other classes.
>>>>so perhaps it was the professor's liberal bias that 'caused' bush's poor
>>>>performance in his class .. ?
>>
>>>Oh, that's rich. Forget about the dog eating the homework:
>>
>>look at the topics that the professor singles out for his complaints
>>against bush: government providing heating oil money for the poor,
>>discussions of the new deal, social security, medicare, unionization..
>>
>>that's all liberal stuff.
>>
>>what probably happened is that this liberal prof tried to indoctrinate
>>the class in bleeding-heart pinko socialistic welfare-state ideology,
>>and bush hammered him badly on it, shamed and humbled the prof before
>>the whole class. he's still licking his wounds 30 years later ..
>>
>>too bad his attempt to smear bush before the 04 election failed. lol.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Wow, Your delusions about Bush run very deep.
no, your hatred of bush is worn on your sleeve. and it has obviously
pickled your brain.
--
I believe in Academic Freedom, but not as it is expounded
by kooks and commies and egghead professors.
- Tip 'O Neill
|
| | | |
Date: 22 Nov 2006 18:33:41
From: Georgiana Gates
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
stephenj wrote:
> Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
>
>> stephenj wrote:
>>
>>> Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
>>>
>>>> stephenj wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> drew wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an
>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>> student that took place 33 years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This professor was clearly impressed by Bush's lack of
>>>>>> character and his poor academic performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> since he managed to graduate, he probably did better in other classes.
>>>>> so perhaps it was the professor's liberal bias that 'caused' bush's
>>>>> poor
>>>>> performance in his class .. ?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Oh, that's rich. Forget about the dog eating the homework:
>>>
>>>
>>> look at the topics that the professor singles out for his complaints
>>> against bush: government providing heating oil money for the poor,
>>> discussions of the new deal, social security, medicare, unionization..
>>>
>>> that's all liberal stuff.
>>>
>>> what probably happened is that this liberal prof tried to indoctrinate
>>> the class in bleeding-heart pinko socialistic welfare-state ideology,
>>> and bush hammered him badly on it, shamed and humbled the prof before
>>> the whole class. he's still licking his wounds 30 years later ..
>>>
>>> too bad his attempt to smear bush before the 04 election failed. lol.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Wow, Your delusions about Bush run very deep.
>
>
> no, your hatred of bush is worn on your sleeve. and it has obviously
> pickled your brain.
>
>
The election is over. Your side lost. Get over it.
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| |
Date: 22 Nov 2006 13:03:39
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
stephenj wrote:
> drew wrote:
> > lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
> >
> >>Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
> >>student that took place 33 years ago.
> >
> >
> > This professor was clearly impressed by Bush's lack of
> > character and his poor academic performance.
> >
>
> since he managed to graduate, he probably did better in other classes.
> so perhaps it was the professor's liberal bias that 'caused' bush's poor
> performance in his class .. ?
Well, the stereotype from the right side of the aisle is that
conservative profs are rigorous graders who cut no corners and extend
no favors, whereas liberals are softies who promote grade inflation to
avoid damaging their students' self-esteem. Right? :)
Joe Ramirez
|
| | |
Date: 22 Nov 2006 15:14:06
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
Joe Ramirez wrote:
> stephenj wrote:
>
>>drew wrote:
>>
>>>lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
>>>>student that took place 33 years ago.
>>>
>>>
>>> This professor was clearly impressed by Bush's lack of
>>>character and his poor academic performance.
>>>
>>
>>since he managed to graduate, he probably did better in other classes.
>>so perhaps it was the professor's liberal bias that 'caused' bush's poor
>>performance in his class .. ?
>
>
> Well, the stereotype from the right side of the aisle is that
> conservative profs are rigorous graders who cut no corners and extend
> no favors, whereas liberals are softies who promote grade inflation to
> avoid damaging their students' self-esteem. Right? :)
in classes with politically contentious content, the prof usually has
his personal political biases. those biases were probably what motivated
them to take an interest in the subject to begin with.
that said, in my experience, which admittedely isn't necessarily
representative, a liberal student (in a class run by a conservative
professor) who is otherwise intelligent and does his/her work is more
likely to *not* have their personal ideology count against them come
grading time than a conservative student is vis-a-vis a liberal
professor. the liberal profs tend to 'bleed' over this stuff far more.
conservative profs tend to be more detached, more intellectual about it.
--
"when i visited Aden before collectivization,
all the kets were full of fish product. After
collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
- Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 01:51:05
From: rich hammett
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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In rec.sport.football.college stephenj <sjek@cox.net > sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
> Joe Ramirez wrote:
>> stephenj wrote:
>>
>>>drew wrote:
>>>
>>>>lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
>>>>>student that took place 33 years ago.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This professor was clearly impressed by Bush's lack of
>>>>character and his poor academic performance.
>>>>
>>>
>>>since he managed to graduate, he probably did better in other classes.
>>>so perhaps it was the professor's liberal bias that 'caused' bush's poor
>>>performance in his class .. ?
>>
>>
>> Well, the stereotype from the right side of the aisle is that
>> conservative profs are rigorous graders who cut no corners and extend
>> no favors, whereas liberals are softies who promote grade inflation to
>> avoid damaging their students' self-esteem. Right? :)
> in classes with politically contentious content, the prof usually has
> his personal political biases. those biases were probably what motivated
> them to take an interest in the subject to begin with.
> that said, in my experience, which admittedely isn't necessarily
> representative, a liberal student (in a class run by a conservative
> professor) who is otherwise intelligent and does his/her work is more
> likely to *not* have their personal ideology count against them come
> grading time than a conservative student is vis-a-vis a liberal
> professor. the liberal profs tend to 'bleed' over this stuff far more.
> conservative profs tend to be more detached, more intellectual about it.
Lemme guess, you have just as much evidence for this claim
as you do for every other absurd claim you make.
rich
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 20:42:22
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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rich hammett wrote:
> In rec.sport.football.college stephenj <sjek@cox.net> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
>
>>Joe Ramirez wrote:
>>
>>>stephenj wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>drew wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
>>>>>>student that took place 33 years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>This professor was clearly impressed by Bush's lack of
>>>>>character and his poor academic performance.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>since he managed to graduate, he probably did better in other classes.
>>>>so perhaps it was the professor's liberal bias that 'caused' bush's poor
>>>>performance in his class .. ?
>>>
>>>
>>>Well, the stereotype from the right side of the aisle is that
>>>conservative profs are rigorous graders who cut no corners and extend
>>>no favors, whereas liberals are softies who promote grade inflation to
>>>avoid damaging their students' self-esteem. Right? :)
>
>
>>in classes with politically contentious content, the prof usually has
>>his personal political biases. those biases were probably what motivated
>>them to take an interest in the subject to begin with.
>
>
>>that said, in my experience, which admittedely isn't necessarily
>>representative, a liberal student (in a class run by a conservative
>>professor) who is otherwise intelligent and does his/her work is more
>>likely to *not* have their personal ideology count against them come
>>grading time than a conservative student is vis-a-vis a liberal
>>professor. the liberal profs tend to 'bleed' over this stuff far more.
>>conservative profs tend to be more detached, more intellectual about it.
>
>
> Lemme guess
.. you are once again clueless.
btw, do you still doubt that leftists and libertarians tend to be
atheists? i sure hope not ...
--
I believe in Academic Freedom, but not as it is expounded
by kooks and commies and egghead professors.
- Tip 'O Neill
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 16:24:53
From: rich hammett
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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In rec.sport.football.college stephenj <sjek@cox.net > sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
> rich hammett wrote:
>> In rec.sport.football.college stephenj <sjek@cox.net> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
>>
>>>Joe Ramirez wrote:
>>>
>>>>stephenj wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>drew wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
>>>>>>>student that took place 33 years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This professor was clearly impressed by Bush's lack of
>>>>>>character and his poor academic performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>since he managed to graduate, he probably did better in other classes.
>>>>>so perhaps it was the professor's liberal bias that 'caused' bush's poor
>>>>>performance in his class .. ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Well, the stereotype from the right side of the aisle is that
>>>>conservative profs are rigorous graders who cut no corners and extend
>>>>no favors, whereas liberals are softies who promote grade inflation to
>>>>avoid damaging their students' self-esteem. Right? :)
>>
>>
>>>in classes with politically contentious content, the prof usually has
>>>his personal political biases. those biases were probably what motivated
>>>them to take an interest in the subject to begin with.
>>
>>
>>>that said, in my experience, which admittedely isn't necessarily
>>>representative, a liberal student (in a class run by a conservative
>>>professor) who is otherwise intelligent and does his/her work is more
>>>likely to *not* have their personal ideology count against them come
>>>grading time than a conservative student is vis-a-vis a liberal
>>>professor. the liberal profs tend to 'bleed' over this stuff far more.
>>>conservative profs tend to be more detached, more intellectual about it.
>>
>>
>> Lemme guess
> .. you are once again clueless.
This time, you feel so weak about your claims that you
even snip my challenges to them.
> btw, do you still doubt that leftists and libertarians tend to be
> atheists? i sure hope not ...
Yes, you are completely and utterly wrong about that, and you
have still offered nothing but that same sentence as your
"argument."
rich
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 11:28:36
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
rich hammett wrote:
> In rec.sport.football.college stephenj <sjek@cox.net> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
>
>>rich hammett wrote:
>>
>>>In rec.sport.football.college stephenj <sjek@cox.net> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Joe Ramirez wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>stephenj wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>drew wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
>>>>>>>>student that took place 33 years ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This professor was clearly impressed by Bush's lack of
>>>>>>>character and his poor academic performance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>since he managed to graduate, he probably did better in other classes.
>>>>>>so perhaps it was the professor's liberal bias that 'caused' bush's poor
>>>>>>performance in his class .. ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, the stereotype from the right side of the aisle is that
>>>>>conservative profs are rigorous graders who cut no corners and extend
>>>>>no favors, whereas liberals are softies who promote grade inflation to
>>>>>avoid damaging their students' self-esteem. Right? :)
>>>
>>>
>>>>in classes with politically contentious content, the prof usually has
>>>>his personal political biases. those biases were probably what motivated
>>>>them to take an interest in the subject to begin with.
>>>
>>>
>>>>that said, in my experience, which admittedely isn't necessarily
>>>>representative, a liberal student (in a class run by a conservative
>>>>professor) who is otherwise intelligent and does his/her work is more
>>>>likely to *not* have their personal ideology count against them come
>>>>grading time than a conservative student is vis-a-vis a liberal
>>>>professor. the liberal profs tend to 'bleed' over this stuff far more.
>>>>conservative profs tend to be more detached, more intellectual about it.
>>>
>>>
>>>Lemme guess
>
>
>>.. you are once again clueless.
>
>
> This time, you feel so weak about your claims that you
> even snip my challenges to them.
what challenge? i gave my personal experience on the issue and you asked
for what, 'evidence', 'links'? are you a nutcase?
>>btw, do you still doubt that leftists and libertarians tend to be
>>atheists? i sure hope not ...
> Yes, you are completely and utterly wrong about that, and you
> have still offered nothing but that same sentence as your
> "argument."
... and you have still offered nothing but your sentence to back up your
claim that i am utterly wrong about that.
i, at least, have an understanding of leftist and libertarian ideology
on my side.
--
"when i visited Aden before collectivization,
all the kets were full of fish product. After
collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
- Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 12:26:31
From:
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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>On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:28:36 -0600, stephenj <sjek@cox.net> wrote:
>>rich hammett wrote:
>>>btw, do you still doubt that leftists and libertarians tend to be
>>>atheists? i sure hope not ...
>> Yes, you are completely and utterly wrong about that, and you
>> have still offered nothing but that same sentence as your
>> "argument."
>... and you have still offered nothing but your sentence to back up your
>claim that i am utterly wrong about that.
>i, at least, have an understanding of leftist and libertarian ideology
>on my side.
Which clearly is not the case, since the leftists and libertarians in
this newsgroup are telling you that you're full of shit.
I can't figure out if both this and the Brady Quinn stupidity are lame
attempts at fishing or if you truly are a moron in professor's
clothing.
..."I mean what I say and unlike Dylan I know what I am talking about."
Charles Beauchamp, 22 Oct 06
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 14:30:59
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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In article <nspbm29qq8rvv08fgop1f1chjkfuv3l3cg@4ax.com >,
woodruffs@cableone.net wrote:
> >On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:28:36 -0600, stephenj <sjek@cox.net> wrote:
> >>rich hammett wrote:
>
> >>>btw, do you still doubt that leftists and libertarians tend to be
> >>>atheists? i sure hope not ...
>
> >> Yes, you are completely and utterly wrong about that, and you
> >> have still offered nothing but that same sentence as your
> >> "argument."
>
> >... and you have still offered nothing but your sentence to back up your
> >claim that i am utterly wrong about that.
> >i, at least, have an understanding of leftist and libertarian ideology
> >on my side.
>
> Which clearly is not the case, since the leftists and libertarians in
> this newsgroup are telling you that you're full of shit.
>
> I can't figure out if both this and the Brady Quinn stupidity are lame
> attempts at fishing or if you truly are a moron in professor's
> clothing.
>
>
> ..."I mean what I say and unlike Dylan I know what I am talking about."
> Charles Beauchamp, 22 Oct 06
I missed something - what has Brady Quinn got to do with it? He may be
from a couple of blocks away, but it is clearly Troy Smith for the
Heisman. No contest.
William Clark
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 12:47:09
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
woodruffs@cableone.net wrote:
>>On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:28:36 -0600, stephenj <sjek@cox.net> wrote:
.. and you have still offered nothing but your sentence to back up your
>>claim that i am utterly wrong about that.
>>i, at least, have an understanding of leftist and libertarian ideology
>>on my side.
>
>
> Which clearly is not the case, since the leftists and libertarians in
> this newsgroup are telling you that you're full of shit.
sure, that's a representative sample. the woodruff brane firing on all
cylinders - a sight to behold.
--
"when i visited Aden before collectivization,
all the kets were full of fish product. After
collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
- Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 18:13:25
From:
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
>On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:47:09 -0600, stephenj <sjek@cox.net> wrote:
>>woodruffs@cableone.net wrote:
>>>On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:28:36 -0600, stephenj <sjek@cox.net> wrote:
>>>.. and you have still offered nothing but your sentence to back up your
>>>claim that i am utterly wrong about that.
>>>i, at least, have an understanding of leftist and libertarian ideology
>>>on my side.
>> Which clearly is not the case, since the leftists and libertarians in
>> this newsgroup are telling you that you're full of shit.
>sure, that's a representative sample. the woodruff brane firing on all
>cylinders - a sight to behold.
It's a hell of a lot more representative than anything your cowardly
butt has cited on the subject.
..."I mean what I say and unlike Dylan I know what I am talking about."
Charles Beauchamp, 22 Oct 06
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 19:29:40
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
woodruffs@cableone.net wrote:
>>On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:47:09 -0600, stephenj <sjek@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>woodruffs@cableone.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:28:36 -0600, stephenj <sjek@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>>.. and you have still offered nothing but your sentence to back up your
>>>>claim that i am utterly wrong about that.
>>>>i, at least, have an understanding of leftist and libertarian ideology
>>>>on my side.
>
>
>>>Which clearly is not the case, since the leftists and libertarians in
>>>this newsgroup are telling you that you're full of shit.
>
>
>>sure, that's a representative sample. the woodruff brane firing on all
>>cylinders - a sight to behold.
>
>
> It's a hell of a lot more representative than anything your cowardly
> butt has cited on the subject.
it's obvious that libertarians and leftists tend to be atheists. ok, at
least agnostics. if you doubt it, take a stress pill, or hire the gallup
organization and do a survey.
--
"when i visited Aden before collectivization,
all the kets were full of fish product. After
collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
- Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 22:42:29
From: William A. T. Clark
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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In article <9Wr9h.2072$%_2.849@newsfe19.lga >, stephenj <sjek@cox.net>
wrote:
> woodruffs@cableone.net wrote:
> >>On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:47:09 -0600, stephenj <sjek@cox.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>woodruffs@cableone.net wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:28:36 -0600, stephenj <sjek@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>>.. and you have still offered nothing but your sentence to back up your
> >>>>claim that i am utterly wrong about that.
> >>>>i, at least, have an understanding of leftist and libertarian ideology
> >>>>on my side.
> >
> >
> >>>Which clearly is not the case, since the leftists and libertarians in
> >>>this newsgroup are telling you that you're full of shit.
> >
> >
> >>sure, that's a representative sample. the woodruff brane firing on all
> >>cylinders - a sight to behold.
> >
> >
> > It's a hell of a lot more representative than anything your cowardly
> > butt has cited on the subject.
>
> it's obvious that libertarians and leftists tend to be atheists. ok, at
> least agnostics. if you doubt it, take a stress pill, or hire the gallup
> organization and do a survey.
Why is it "obvious"? One can make an equally strong case that those with
liberal tendencies tend to be more open minded, and so more receptive to
believing in a higher being.
William Clark
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 21:17:38
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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On 23-Nov-2006, "William A. T. Clark" <clark.31@osu.edu > wrote:
> > it's obvious that libertarians and leftists tend to be atheists. ok, at
> > least agnostics. if you doubt it, take a stress pill, or hire the gallup
> >
> > organization and do a survey.
>
> Why is it "obvious"? One can make an equally strong case that those with
> liberal tendencies tend to be more open minded, and so more receptive to
> believing in a higher being.
The only thing that is obvious is that individuals vary.
--
bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 20:37:07
From:
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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>On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 19:29:40 -0600, stephenj <sjek@cox.net> wrote:
>>woodruffs@cableone.net wrote:
>>>On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:47:09 -0600, stephenj <sjek@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>woodruffs@cableone.net wrote:
>>>>>On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:28:36 -0600, stephenj <sjek@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>.. and you have still offered nothing but your sentence to back up your
>>>>>claim that i am utterly wrong about that.
>>>>>i, at least, have an understanding of leftist and libertarian ideology
>>>>>on my side.
>>>>Which clearly is not the case, since the leftists and libertarians in
>>>>this newsgroup are telling you that you're full of shit.
>>>sure, that's a representative sample. the woodruff brane firing on all
>>>cylinders - a sight to behold.
>> It's a hell of a lot more representative than anything your cowardly
>> butt has cited on the subject.
>it's obvious that libertarians and leftists tend to be atheists. ok, at
>least agnostics. if you doubt it, take a stress pill, or hire the gallup
>organization and do a survey.
Just as it's obvious that conservatives tend to be Satan-worshippers.
..."I mean what I say and unlike Dylan I know what I am talking about."
Charles Beauchamp, 22 Oct 06
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 21:30:34
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
woodruffs@cableone.net wrote:
>>On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 19:29:40 -0600, stephenj <sjek@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>woodruffs@cableone.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:47:09 -0600, stephenj <sjek@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>woodruffs@cableone.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:28:36 -0600, stephenj <sjek@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>>>>.. and you have still offered nothing but your sentence to back up your
>>>>>>claim that i am utterly wrong about that.
>>>>>>i, at least, have an understanding of leftist and libertarian ideology
>>>>>>on my side.
>
>
>>>>>Which clearly is not the case, since the leftists and libertarians in
>>>>>this newsgroup are telling you that you're full of shit.
>
>
>>>>sure, that's a representative sample. the woodruff brane firing on all
>>>>cylinders - a sight to behold.
>
>
>>>It's a hell of a lot more representative than anything your cowardly
>>>butt has cited on the subject.
>
>
>>it's obvious that libertarians and leftists tend to be atheists. ok, at
>>least agnostics. if you doubt it, take a stress pill, or hire the gallup
>>organization and do a survey.
>
>
> Just as it's obvious that conservatives tend to be Satan-worshippers.
why didn't you just let your 1 yr old spill his applesauce on the
keyboard ... ?
--
"when i visited Aden before collectivization,
all the kets were full of fish product. After
collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
- Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official
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Date: 24 Nov 2006 10:32:38
From:
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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>On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 21:30:34 -0600, stephenj <sjek@cox.net> wrote:
>>woodruffs@cableone.net wrote:
>>>On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 19:29:40 -0600, stephenj <sjek@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>woodruffs@cableone.net wrote:
>>>>>On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:47:09 -0600, stephenj <sjek@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>sure, that's a representative sample. the woodruff brane firing on all
>>>>>cylinders - a sight to behold.
>>>>It's a hell of a lot more representative than anything your cowardly
>>>>butt has cited on the subject.
>>>it's obvious that libertarians and leftists tend to be atheists. ok, at
>>>least agnostics. if you doubt it, take a stress pill, or hire the gallup
>>>organization and do a survey.
>> Just as it's obvious that conservatives tend to be Satan-worshippers.
>why didn't you just let your 1 yr old spill his applesauce on the
>keyboard ... ?
Because I didn't want his postings to drop down to the quality level
of yours.
..."I mean what I say and unlike Dylan I know what I am talking about."
Charles Beauchamp, 22 Oct 06
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 12:56:08
From: Sao Paulo Swallow
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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stephenj wrote:
> drew wrote:
> > lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
> >
> >>Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
> >>student that took place 33 years ago.
> >
> >
> > This professor was clearly impressed by Bush's lack of
> > character and his poor academic performance.
> >
>
> since he managed to graduate, he probably did better in other classes.
> so perhaps it was the professor's liberal bias that 'caused' bush's poor
> performance in his class .. ?
>
>
Oh, that's rich. Forget about the dog eating the homework: "I did
poorly because my teacher was too liberal!"
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 15:09:11
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
> stephenj wrote:
>
>>drew wrote:
>>
>>>lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
>>>>student that took place 33 years ago.
>>>
>>>
>>> This professor was clearly impressed by Bush's lack of
>>>character and his poor academic performance.
>>>
>>
>>since he managed to graduate, he probably did better in other classes.
>>so perhaps it was the professor's liberal bias that 'caused' bush's poor
>>performance in his class .. ?
> Oh, that's rich. Forget about the dog eating the homework:
look at the topics that the professor singles out for his complaints
against bush: government providing heating oil money for the poor,
discussions of the new deal, social security, medicare, unionization..
that's all liberal stuff.
what probably happened is that this liberal prof tried to indoctrinate
the class in bleeding-heart pinko socialistic welfare-state ideology,
and bush hammered him badly on it, shamed and humbled the prof before
the whole class. he's still licking his wounds 30 years later ..
too bad his attempt to smear bush before the 04 election failed. lol.
--
"when i visited Aden before collectivization,
all the kets were full of fish product. After
collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
- Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 12:02:15
From: drew
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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Jon Enslin wrote:
> drew wrote:
> > stephenj wrote:
> > > lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > > > Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
> > > > student that took place 33 years ago.
> > >
> > > the professor sounds like a liberal.
> >
> > What's your point Gerbilos? Or is it sufficient for you to just trot
> > out the description "liberal" and dismiss him? Of course it is. You
> > probably forget the roots of liberalism because if you ever studied
> > political philosophy you probably paid about as much attention to your
> > studies as Dubya himself did.
> >
> > I knew guys like you in university. They prided themselves on not
> > cracking a book but still managing to pass courses. Bullshit artists
> > who were proud of their own ignorance.
> >
> > Now Gerbilos, you sound like an idiot.
>
>
> What is so ironic is that you dismiss him for jumping to conclusions
> when that is the exact same thing you did.
>
> Funny.
No, we all know the Gerbilos here in rst and what he means when he
makes reference to liberals or anything that isn't right wing
Republican. Gerbilos is a Bush-lover, a liar and a simpleton.
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 19:25:41
From: tiggerspalewife
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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In article <1164207295.589957.302490@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >
"Wayne" <waynetv50@yahoo.com > wrote:
You can fix a lot of things but you just can't fix stupid.
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 10:16:38
From: Calimero
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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Wayne schrieb:
> His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
> not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
> pathological liar. ...
This professor has no class.
To make derogatory reks about a former student in public simply is
classless.
And I don't believe classless people.
They usually lie.
Max
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 14:54:22
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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Calimero wrote:
> Wayne schrieb:
>
>
>>His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
>>not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
>>pathological liar. ...
>
>
> This professor has no class.
> To make derogatory reks about a former student in public simply is
> classless.
good point.
--
"when i visited Aden before collectivization,
all the kets were full of fish product. After
collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
- Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 03:27:45
From: RuPEDski
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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"stephenj" <sjek@cox.net > wrote in message
news:4O29h.59$6g5.6@newsfe22.lga...
> Calimero wrote:
>> Wayne schrieb:
>>
>>
>>>His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
>>>not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
>>>pathological liar. ...
>>
>>
>> This professor has no class.
>> To make derogatory reks about a former student in public simply is
>> classless.
>
> good point.
An excellent point and well stated.
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 03:30:03
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 03:27:45 GMT, "RuPEDski" <datacipher@hotmail.com >
wrote:
>
>"stephenj" <sjek@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:4O29h.59$6g5.6@newsfe22.lga...
>> Calimero wrote:
>>> Wayne schrieb:
>>>
>>>
>>>>His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
>>>>not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
>>>>pathological liar. ...
>>>
>>>
>>> This professor has no class.
>>> To make derogatory reks about a former student in public simply is
>>> classless.
>>
>> good point.
>
>An excellent point and well stated.
>
NO. Chewing tobacco and using a cup as a spitune in class is
classless. !
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 20:31:57
From: Alan Baker
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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In article <1164219398.762016.159120@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >,
"Calimero" <calimero377@gmx.de > wrote:
> Wayne schrieb:
>
> > His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
> > not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
> > pathological liar. ...
>
> This professor has no class.
> To make derogatory reks about a former student in public simply is
> classless.
> And I don't believe classless people.
> They usually lie.
>
> Max
Why am I sure you'd have no trouble believing him if he'd been talking
about, say, Hilary Clinton?
LOL
--
'It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix.'
"It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix'
(Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a keting rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 09:19:24
From: John B.
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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Joe Ramirez wrote:
> Erich wrote:
> > lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote in news:1164208196.008506.151490
> > @j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> >
> > > Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
> > > student that took place 33 years ago.
> >
> > You think the average Harvard student is a spoiled, loutish, pathological
> > liar? It seems that such "qualities" might make someone stand out more than
> > your average student. The Bush family has been in the public eye for many
> > years, so it's not like the guy just woke up a few days ago and suddenly
> > remembered someone he hadn't seen or heard about for 33 years.
>
> Yes, I'm sure these memories have been bopping around in the
> professor's head at least since GW Bush started running for president
> in 1999-2000 ("Hey, I taught the frontrunner!"), quite possibly since
> he became the governor of Texas ("I taught the governor of Texas."),
> and perhaps since GHW Bush was president ("I taught the president's
> son!").
>
> Joe Ramirez
Right, and let's not fail to note that the professor's recollections
are completely at odds with everything we know about George W. Bush,
the great statesman and passionate intellectual. We know he's actually
a skilled rhetoritician with a great gift for extemporaneous discussion
of important issues. This commie Harvard professor obviously made the
whole thing up.
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 09:10:37
From: Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
> Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
> student that took place 33 years ago.
Is that all you got?. It must really suck to be you.
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 08:37:56
From: Jon Enslin
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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drew wrote:
> stephenj wrote:
> > lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > > Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
> > > student that took place 33 years ago.
> >
> > the professor sounds like a liberal.
>
> What's your point Gerbilos? Or is it sufficient for you to just trot
> out the description "liberal" and dismiss him? Of course it is. You
> probably forget the roots of liberalism because if you ever studied
> political philosophy you probably paid about as much attention to your
> studies as Dubya himself did.
>
> I knew guys like you in university. They prided themselves on not
> cracking a book but still managing to pass courses. Bullshit artists
> who were proud of their own ignorance.
>
> Now Gerbilos, you sound like an idiot.
What is so ironic is that you dismiss him for jumping to conclusions
when that is the exact same thing you did.
Funny.
Jon
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 14:51:16
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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Jon Enslin wrote:
> drew wrote:
>
>>stephenj wrote:
>>
>>>lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
>>>>student that took place 33 years ago.
>>>
>>>the professor sounds like a liberal.
>>
>>What's your point Gerbilos? Or is it sufficient for you to just trot
>>out the description "liberal" and dismiss him? Of course it is. You
>>probably forget the roots of liberalism because if you ever studied
>>political philosophy you probably paid about as much attention to your
>>studies as Dubya himself did.
>>
>>I knew guys like you in university. They prided themselves on not
>>cracking a book but still managing to pass courses. Bullshit artists
>>who were proud of their own ignorance.
>>
>>Now Gerbilos, you sound like an idiot.
> What is so ironic is that you dismiss him for jumping to conclusions
the article gives plenty of hints that prof is a liberal. so i wouldn't
call what i did jumping to conclusions, maybe just stepping to it.
> when that is the exact same thing you did.
>
> Funny.
"drew" is a confirmed moron on several ng's. not funny but sad, if you
frequent them.
--
"when i visited Aden before collectivization,
all the kets were full of fish product. After
collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
- Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 08:31:59
From: Sao Paulo Swallow
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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stephenj wrote:
> lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
> > student that took place 33 years ago.
>
> the professor sounds like a liberal.
>
Oh, yeah, Harvard Business School is a bastion of bleeding-heart pinko
liberals ...
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 14:49:25
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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Sao Paulo Swallow wrote:
> stephenj wrote:
>
>>lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
>>
>>>Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
>>>student that took place 33 years ago.
>>
>>the professor sounds like a liberal.
>>
>
>
> Oh, yeah, Harvard Business School is a bastion of bleeding-heart pinko
> liberals ...
probably not, but this professor is probably one, nonetheless.
--
"when i visited Aden before collectivization,
all the kets were full of fish product. After
collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
- Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 08:05:19
From: drew
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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stephenj wrote:
> lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
> > Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
> > student that took place 33 years ago.
>
> the professor sounds like a liberal.
What's your point Gerbilos? Or is it sufficient for you to just trot
out the description "liberal" and dismiss him? Of course it is. You
probably forget the roots of liberalism because if you ever studied
political philosophy you probably paid about as much attention to your
studies as Dubya himself did.
I knew guys like you in university. They prided themselves on not
cracking a book but still managing to pass courses. Bullshit artists
who were proud of their own ignorance.
Now Gerbilos, you sound like an idiot.
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 16:41:38
From: Erich
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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"drew" <drew@technologist.com > wrote in news:1164211518.848440.282150
@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
> stephenj wrote:
>> lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
>> > Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
>> > student that took place 33 years ago.
>>
>> the professor sounds like a liberal.
>
> What's your point Gerbilos? Or is it sufficient for you to just trot
> out the description "liberal" and dismiss him? Of course it is. You
> probably forget the roots of liberalism because if you ever studied
> political philosophy you probably paid about as much attention to your
> studies as Dubya himself did.
>
> I knew guys like you in university. They prided themselves on not
> cracking a book but still managing to pass courses. Bullshit artists
> who were proud of their own ignorance.
>
> Now Gerbilos, you sound like an idiot.
Heh, he had a good year, maybe a year and half at the beginning of Bush's
precidency, but since then, Bush's constant failures have robbed guys like
Jaros completely of any rational defence or arguments to the point where
he's now left with bumper sticker outbursts like "Thank God Bush is still
President", his tradeks "LOL", and of course that little gem above, in
the hope that he can at least antagonise the people he can no longer
compete with in terms of rational discussison.
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 07:58:52
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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Erich wrote:
> lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote in news:1164208196.008506.151490
> @j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
> > student that took place 33 years ago.
>
> You think the average Harvard student is a spoiled, loutish, pathological
> liar? It seems that such "qualities" might make someone stand out more than
> your average student. The Bush family has been in the public eye for many
> years, so it's not like the guy just woke up a few days ago and suddenly
> remembered someone he hadn't seen or heard about for 33 years.
Yes, I'm sure these memories have been bopping around in the
professor's head at least since GW Bush started running for president
in 1999-2000 ("Hey, I taught the frontrunner!"), quite possibly since
he became the governor of Texas ("I taught the governor of Texas."),
and perhaps since GHW Bush was president ("I taught the president's
son!").
Joe Ramirez
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 12:24:03
From: Edward M. Kennedy
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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"Joe Ramirez" <josephmramirez@netzero.com > wrote
> Yes, I'm sure these memories have been bopping around in the
> professor's head at least since GW Bush started running for president
> in 1999-2000 ("Hey, I taught the frontrunner!"), quite possibly since
> he became the governor of Texas ("I taught the governor of Texas."),
> and perhaps since GHW Bush was president ("I taught the president's
> son!").
"I taught the president, but I did not teach his dumb VP."
--Tedward
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 07:54:09
From: drew
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
> Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
> student that took place 33 years ago.
No. He's a university professor. Some of them are actually
intelligent and some even have very good memories. I can remember
conversations that I had 30 years ago without difficulty.
Unfortunately it is the really good and really bad people that you
remember. This professor was clearly impressed by Bush's lack of
character and his poor academic performance.
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 14:52:53
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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drew wrote:
> lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
>>Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
>>student that took place 33 years ago.
>
>
> This professor was clearly impressed by Bush's lack of
> character and his poor academic performance.
>
since he managed to graduate, he probably did better in other classes.
so perhaps it was the professor's liberal bias that 'caused' bush's poor
performance in his class .. ?
--
"when i visited Aden before collectivization,
all the kets were full of fish product. After
collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
- Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 07:09:56
From:
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
student that took place 33 years ago.
Wayne wrote:
> His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
> not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
> pathological liar.
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - -
> By y Jacoby
>
> Sept. 16, 2004
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 20:26:49
From: Sao Paulo Swallow
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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Joe Ramirez wrote:
> William A. T. Clark wrote:
> > In article <9Wr9h.2072$%_2.849@newsfe19.lga>, stephenj <sjek@cox.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > woodruffs@cableone.net wrote:
> > > >>On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:47:09 -0600, stephenj <sjek@cox.net> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>woodruffs@cableone.net wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:28:36 -0600, stephenj <sjek@cox.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>>>.. and you have still offered nothing but your sentence to back up your
> > > >>>>claim that i am utterly wrong about that.
> > > >>>>i, at least, have an understanding of leftist and libertarian ideology
> > > >>>>on my side.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>>Which clearly is not the case, since the leftists and libertarians in
> > > >>>this newsgroup are telling you that you're full of shit.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>sure, that's a representative sample. the woodruff brane firing on all
> > > >>cylinders - a sight to behold.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It's a hell of a lot more representative than anything your cowardly
> > > > butt has cited on the subject.
> > >
> > > it's obvious that libertarians and leftists tend to be atheists. ok, at
> > > least agnostics. if you doubt it, take a stress pill, or hire the gallup
> > > organization and do a survey.
> >
> > Why is it "obvious"? One can make an equally strong case that those with
> > liberal tendencies tend to be more open minded, and so more receptive to
> > believing in a higher being.
> >
> > William Clark
>
> Personally, I think Jaros is on the right track, but overstates his
> case. "Tend to be" is too strong without firm empirical data, because
> it implies "more likely than not." What I think can be reasonably
> concluded without such data is only that leftists are *more likely than
> right-wingers* not to be traditional theists. I.e., whatever the rate
> of nonbelief is for conservatives, the rate for nonconservatives is
> probably higher. This is because people who are more strongly attached
> to traditions and "old ways" in political and social matters are more
> likely to cling to them in spiritual matters as well. I don't believe
> that is controversial. But that argument does not support the stronger
> claim that more leftists are nonbelievers than believers -- need
> evidence for that. (Why any of this matters I don't know; I'm just
> going with the flow.)
>
> Joe Ramirez
Everyone's been too busy debating the veracity of his statement to
bother to ask what difference it makes anyway.
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 20:13:49
From: Joe Ramirez
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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William A. T. Clark wrote:
> In article <9Wr9h.2072$%_2.849@newsfe19.lga>, stephenj <sjek@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> > woodruffs@cableone.net wrote:
> > >>On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:47:09 -0600, stephenj <sjek@cox.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>woodruffs@cableone.net wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:28:36 -0600, stephenj <sjek@cox.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>.. and you have still offered nothing but your sentence to back up your
> > >>>>claim that i am utterly wrong about that.
> > >>>>i, at least, have an understanding of leftist and libertarian ideology
> > >>>>on my side.
> > >
> > >
> > >>>Which clearly is not the case, since the leftists and libertarians in
> > >>>this newsgroup are telling you that you're full of shit.
> > >
> > >
> > >>sure, that's a representative sample. the woodruff brane firing on all
> > >>cylinders - a sight to behold.
> > >
> > >
> > > It's a hell of a lot more representative than anything your cowardly
> > > butt has cited on the subject.
> >
> > it's obvious that libertarians and leftists tend to be atheists. ok, at
> > least agnostics. if you doubt it, take a stress pill, or hire the gallup
> > organization and do a survey.
>
> Why is it "obvious"? One can make an equally strong case that those with
> liberal tendencies tend to be more open minded, and so more receptive to
> believing in a higher being.
>
> William Clark
Personally, I think Jaros is on the right track, but overstates his
case. "Tend to be" is too strong without firm empirical data, because
it implies "more likely than not." What I think can be reasonably
concluded without such data is only that leftists are *more likely than
right-wingers* not to be traditional theists. I.e., whatever the rate
of nonbelief is for conservatives, the rate for nonconservatives is
probably higher. This is because people who are more strongly attached
to traditions and "old ways" in political and social matters are more
likely to cling to them in spiritual matters as well. I don't believe
that is controversial. But that argument does not support the stronger
claim that more leftists are nonbelievers than believers -- need
evidence for that. (Why any of this matters I don't know; I'm just
going with the flow.)
Joe Ramirez
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 03:25:02
From: RuPEDski
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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<lobshot694@bellsouth.net > wrote in message
news:1164208196.008506.151490@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
student that took place 33 years ago.
SHHH!!! You're not supposed to read this kind of propaganda thoughtfully or
with common sense! Just let your emotions run wild and free!
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 22:30:39
From: Head Shot
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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RuPEDski wrote:
> Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
> student that took place 33 years ago.
I can remember some fairly average students 33 years ago saying "no" when I
asked them out for a date. I can come up with first names. Though for
the life of me I have no idea why they said "no". :-)
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Date: 23 Nov 2006 03:44:53
From: RuPEDski
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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"Head Shot" <HeadShot@ThePinkMist.com > wrote in message
news:lB89h.18251$m9.9174@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> RuPEDski wrote:
>> Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
>> student that took place 33 years ago.
>
> I can remember some fairly average students 33 years ago saying "no" when
> I asked them out for a date. I can come up with first names. Though
> for the life of me I have no idea why they said "no". :-)
lol
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 16:03:24
From: Michael Anselmo
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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Bush Derangement Syndrome is rampant in academia.
There is no cure.
<lobshot694@bellsouth.net > wrote in message
news:1164208196.008506.151490@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
student that took place 33 years ago.
Wayne wrote:
> His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
> not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
> pathological liar.
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - -
> By y Jacoby
>
> Sept. 16, 2004
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 16:01:59
From: Michael Anselmo
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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Bush Derangement Syndrome is rampant in academia.
There is no cure.
<lobshot694@bellsouth.net > wrote in message
news:1164208196.008506.151490@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
student that took place 33 years ago.
Wayne wrote:
> His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
> not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
> pathological liar.
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - -
> By y Jacoby
>
> Sept. 16, 2004
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 19:25:41
From: tiggerspalewife
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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In article <1164208196.008506.151490@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >
lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
> Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
> student that took place 33 years ago.
>
> Wayne wrote:
> > His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
> > not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
> > pathological liar.
> >
> > - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > By y Jacoby
> >
> > Sept. 16, 2004
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 15:43:59
From: Erich
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote in news:1164208196.008506.151490
@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
> student that took place 33 years ago.
You think the average Harvard student is a spoiled, loutish, pathological
liar? It seems that such "qualities" might make someone stand out more than
your average student. The Bush family has been in the public eye for many
years, so it's not like the guy just woke up a few days ago and suddenly
remembered someone he hadn't seen or heard about for 33 years.
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 16:05:03
From: Michael Anselmo
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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Bush Derangement Syndrome is rampant in academia.
There is no cure.
"Erich" <dontsp@mmeoriwillgetangry.co.aus.de > wrote in message
news:Xns9883A02273CC8dontspmmeoriwillgeta@140.99.99.130...
> lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote in news:1164208196.008506.151490
> @j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
>> student that took place 33 years ago.
>
> You think the average Harvard student is a spoiled, loutish, pathological
> liar? It seems that such "qualities" might make someone stand out more
> than
> your average student. The Bush family has been in the public eye for many
> years, so it's not like the guy just woke up a few days ago and suddenly
> remembered someone he hadn't seen or heard about for 33 years.
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 18:14:29
From: Tony Lima
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
|
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:43:59 GMT, Erich
<dontsp@mmeoriwillgetangry.co.aus.de > wrote:
>lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote in news:1164208196.008506.151490
>@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
>> student that took place 33 years ago.
>
>You think the average Harvard student is a spoiled, loutish, pathological
>liar? It seems that such "qualities" might make someone stand out more than
>your average student. The Bush family has been in the public eye for many
>years, so it's not like the guy just woke up a few days ago and suddenly
>remembered someone he hadn't seen or heard about for 33 years.
The B-School is barely part of Harvard. Heck, the campus
isn't even in Cambridge. - Tony
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Date: 22 Nov 2006 09:40:12
From: stephenj
Subject: Re: Bush's Ex-professor: Bush made a complete ass of himself at Harvard
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lobshot694@bellsouth.net wrote:
> Amazing that this guy can remember/quote conversations with an average
> student that took place 33 years ago.
the professor sounds like a liberal.
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"when i visited Aden before collectivization,
all the kets were full of fish product. After
collectivization, the fish immediately disappeared."
- Aleksandr Vassiliev, Soviet KGB official
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