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Date: 04 Feb 2007 16:16:00
From: Ivan
Subject: Baddeley on the 18th at FBR
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Baddeley moved his ker out of Quigly's way. But the TV coverage
appeared to show him just putting the ball back and putting without
moving the ker back.
Anyone confirm or deny this?
-ivan-
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Date: 06 Feb 2007 07:39:15
From: zumafan
Subject: Re: Baddeley on the 18th at FBR
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On Feb 6, 8:20 am, "glfnaz" <glf...@qwesttrash.com > wrote:
> "Steven Paul" <listcatc...@fastOUTmail.fm> wrote in message
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> news:060220070156416987%listcatcher@fastOUTmail.fm...
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> > In article <n8cgs25goiujchngc11gi3fh2s1insj...@4ax.com>, petemoss
> > <petemos...@yahooNOSPAM.com> wrote:
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> >> I watched it live and I'm sure he didn't replace hsi ball correctly.
>
> > Do you mean you were there at the tournament, and you saw that he did
> > not replace it?
>
> From PGA TOUR DOT COM----
> Aaron Baddeley was about to win the FBR Open. After reaching the green in
> regulation on the final hole he was faced with a lengthy birdie attempt.
> Needing only two putts to win, he cozied his first putt up to within a foot
> of the hole. Rather than tap in for the victory, though, he ked his ball
> out of courtesy to his two playing partners who had yet to putt. After Aaron
> ked the ball, his playing partner, Jeff Quinney, asked him to move his
> spot one putter head length to the right. Apparently, this was all seen by
> the television audience. The confusion began after Jeff putted out. The
> third member of the group, Brett Quigley, was away. As he was lining up his
> putt, Aaron replaced his ball k to the original position. This was
> obviously not noticed by the television audience.
Wasn't noticed because it wasn't shown. As I posted a couple days ago,
the camera showed Badds walking towards his ball ker as Quigley was
lining up his putt. Then the camera cut to Quinney for a few moments
before switching back to Quigley.
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Date: 04 Feb 2007 17:32:30
From: zumafan
Subject: Re: Baddeley on the 18th at FBR
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On Feb 4, 7:57 pm, "Peter H" <hanebu...@rogers.com > wrote:
> On Feb 4, 6:16 pm, Ivan <iruni...@telus.net> wrote:
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> > Baddeley moved his ker out of Quigly's way. But the TV coverage
> > appeared to show him just putting the ball back and putting without
> > moving the ker back.
>
> > Anyone confirm or deny this?
>
> > -ivan-
>
> I saw the same thing. I have a digital box that automatically records
> what I'm watching and I rewound to see it again. Unless the scene was
> taped and spliced by the network he did not replace his ball properly.
>
> I was waiting for one of the commentators to bring this up, but they
> didn't. Not sure what the penalty is for this, but assuming it's one
> stroke then he actually tied for the lead and didn't win. Perhaps it
> should have gone to a playoff hole.
>
> It will be interesting to see if the papers pick up on this.
>
> Peter H
I posted the following on Bill's similar post:
After Quinney putted and before Quigley did, he was walking towards
his ball k.
The camera was on Quinney for a long time (and some kid rolling down
the hill in the background).
He had moved his k towards the front of the green, when he went to
replace his ball it was closer to the back of the green.
I also wasn't sure at first, but rewound to take a closer look.
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Date: 04 Feb 2007 16:57:35
From: Peter H
Subject: Re: Baddeley on the 18th at FBR
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On Feb 4, 6:16 pm, Ivan <iruni...@telus.net > wrote:
> Baddeley moved his ker out of Quigly's way. But the TV coverage
> appeared to show him just putting the ball back and putting without
> moving the ker back.
>
> Anyone confirm or deny this?
>
> -ivan-
I saw the same thing. I have a digital box that automatically records
what I'm watching and I rewound to see it again. Unless the scene was
taped and spliced by the network he did not replace his ball properly.
I was waiting for one of the commentators to bring this up, but they
didn't. Not sure what the penalty is for this, but assuming it's one
stroke then he actually tied for the lead and didn't win. Perhaps it
should have gone to a playoff hole.
It will be interesting to see if the papers pick up on this.
Peter H
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Date: 04 Feb 2007 19:41:01
From: Steven Paul
Subject: Re: Baddeley on the 18th at FBR
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In article <1170637055.153387.111720@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com >,
Peter H <haneburyp@rogers.com > wrote:
> I saw the same thing. I have a digital box that automatically records
> what I'm watching and I rewound to see it again. Unless the scene was
> taped and spliced by the network he did not replace his ball properly.
>
> I was waiting for one of the commentators to bring this up, but they
> didn't. Not sure what the penalty is for this, but assuming it's one
> stroke then he actually tied for the lead and didn't win. Perhaps it
> should have gone to a playoff hole.
I was thinking the same thing. By now the penalty will be a DQ, since
he signed an incorect card. The only thing I can guess is that either
in the end he did not move it in the first place, or he replaced it
very quickly.
Can you tell the spot by looking at your recording of it?
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Date: 06 Feb 2007 02:43:45
From: petemoss
Subject: Re: Baddeley on the 18th at FBR
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I watched it live and I'm sure he didn't replace hsi ball correctly.
On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 19:41:01 -0600, Steven Paul
<listcatcher@fastOUTmail.fm > wrote:
>In article <1170637055.153387.111720@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>Peter H <haneburyp@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I saw the same thing. I have a digital box that automatically records
>> what I'm watching and I rewound to see it again. Unless the scene was
>> taped and spliced by the network he did not replace his ball properly.
>>
>> I was waiting for one of the commentators to bring this up, but they
>> didn't. Not sure what the penalty is for this, but assuming it's one
>> stroke then he actually tied for the lead and didn't win. Perhaps it
>> should have gone to a playoff hole.
>
> I was thinking the same thing. By now the penalty will be a DQ, since
>he signed an incorect card. The only thing I can guess is that either
>in the end he did not move it in the first place, or he replaced it
>very quickly.
>
>Can you tell the spot by looking at your recording of it?
Regards,
petemoss
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Date: 06 Feb 2007 01:56:41
From: Steven Paul
Subject: Re: Baddeley on the 18th at FBR
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In article <n8cgs25goiujchngc11gi3fh2s1insjmhv@4ax.com >, petemoss
<petemoss52@yahooNOSPAM.com > wrote:
> I watched it live and I'm sure he didn't replace hsi ball correctly.
Do you mean you were there at the tournament, and you saw that he did
not replace it?
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Date: 06 Feb 2007 06:20:35
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Baddeley on the 18th at FBR
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"Steven Paul" <listcatcher@fastOUTmail.fm > wrote in message
news:060220070156416987%listcatcher@fastOUTmail.fm...
> In article <n8cgs25goiujchngc11gi3fh2s1insjmhv@4ax.com>, petemoss
> <petemoss52@yahooNOSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>> I watched it live and I'm sure he didn't replace hsi ball correctly.
>
> Do you mean you were there at the tournament, and you saw that he did
> not replace it?
From PGA TOUR DOT COM----
Aaron Baddeley was about to win the FBR Open. After reaching the green in
regulation on the final hole he was faced with a lengthy birdie attempt.
Needing only two putts to win, he cozied his first putt up to within a foot
of the hole. Rather than tap in for the victory, though, he ked his ball
out of courtesy to his two playing partners who had yet to putt. After Aaron
ked the ball, his playing partner, Jeff Quinney, asked him to move his
spot one putter head length to the right. Apparently, this was all seen by
the television audience. The confusion began after Jeff putted out. The
third member of the group, Brett Quigley, was away. As he was lining up his
putt, Aaron replaced his ball k to the original position. This was
obviously not noticed by the television audience.
Just to be clear, there was no infraction. Aaron is fully within his rights
to replace the ball k that he moved whenever he pleases. The reason that
he moved it back after Jeff putted is so that he wouldn't forget. This is
standard practice on the TOUR. Furthermore, the other players in the group
will remind a guy to move his k back to its original position. (And no,
this is not offering advice, this is a courtesy and sportsmanship at its
finest.)
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Date: 06 Feb 2007 03:23:44
From: petemoss
Subject: Re: Baddeley on the 18th at FBR
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No, I watched it live on TV so I don't think the tape was spliced, as
someone suggested. When BAds first moved it, I said to myself, I
wonder if Quinley will remind him to replace it but apparently Quinley
was too shell shocked.
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 01:56:41 -0600, Steven Paul
<listcatcher@fastOUTmail.fm > wrote:
>In article <n8cgs25goiujchngc11gi3fh2s1insjmhv@4ax.com>, petemoss
><petemoss52@yahooNOSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>> I watched it live and I'm sure he didn't replace hsi ball correctly.
>
>Do you mean you were there at the tournament, and you saw that he did
>not replace it?
Regards,
petemoss
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Date: 06 Feb 2007 10:54:39
From: John Reddy
Subject: Re: Baddeley on the 18th at FBR
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In article <pdegs2t7enap0kf788k01jdfj178ga0d5i@4ax.com >,
petemoss <petemoss52@yahooNOSPAM.com > wrote:
> No, I watched it live on TV so I don't think the tape was spliced, as
> someone suggested. When BAds first moved it, I said to myself, I
> wonder if Quinley will remind him to replace it but apparently Quinley
> was too shell shocked.
>
So you didn't watch it live. You watched it on TV like the rest of us,
giving you no particular additional insight. Furthermore, if your
powers of observation were as keen as you would lead us to believe, you
would know that the other golfer is named Quinney, not Quinley.
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Date: 07 Feb 2007 03:23:54
From: petemoss
Subject: Re: Baddeley on the 18th at FBR
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On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 10:54:39 GMT, John Reddy
<johnreddy@contbuilding.com > wrote:
>In article <pdegs2t7enap0kf788k01jdfj178ga0d5i@4ax.com>,
> petemoss <petemoss52@yahooNOSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>> No, I watched it live on TV so I don't think the tape was spliced, as
>> someone suggested. When BAds first moved it, I said to myself, I
>> wonder if Quinley will remind him to replace it but apparently Quinley
>> was too shell shocked.
>>
>
>So you didn't watch it live. You watched it on TV like the rest of us,
>giving you no particular additional insight. Furthermore, if your
>powers of observation were as keen as you would lead us to believe, you
>would know that the other golfer is named Quinney, not Quinley.
Well EXCUSE ME for saying what I thought I saw! You'd make a good
lawyer, Reddy. I'll leave it at that.
Regards,
petemoss
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Date: 07 Feb 2007 11:41:40
From: John Reddy
Subject: Re: Baddeley on the 18th at FBR
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In article <j03js21llv4fr0o0jd5o4uhkqmkf8h68si@4ax.com >,
petemoss <petemoss52@yahooNOSPAM.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 10:54:39 GMT, John Reddy
> <johnreddy@contbuilding.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <pdegs2t7enap0kf788k01jdfj178ga0d5i@4ax.com>,
> > petemoss <petemoss52@yahooNOSPAM.com> wrote:
> >
> >> No, I watched it live on TV so I don't think the tape was spliced, as
> >> someone suggested. When BAds first moved it, I said to myself, I
> >> wonder if Quinley will remind him to replace it but apparently Quinley
> >> was too shell shocked.
> >>
> >
> >So you didn't watch it live. You watched it on TV like the rest of us,
> >giving you no particular additional insight. Furthermore, if your
> >powers of observation were as keen as you would lead us to believe, you
> >would know that the other golfer is named Quinney, not Quinley.
>
> Well EXCUSE ME for saying what I thought I saw! You'd make a good
> lawyer, Reddy. I'll leave it at that.
>
> Regards,
> petemoss
Yes, I would thank you. I'm very good at knocking the shit out of
inflated claims.
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Date: 04 Feb 2007 21:29:07
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: Baddeley on the 18th at FBR
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To my eye he replaced the ball where it originally landed: the camera was
not on him when he surely moved his ker back to its original spot. It
was quite evident to me that the ball was replaced where it had landed. I
find this all the more believable since a world of people witnessed his
action: after all, the final putt was for the win. Hardly something to be
seen by only a few!
"Steven Paul" <listcatcher@fastOUTmail.fm > wrote in message
news:040220071941015738%listcatcher@fastOUTmail.fm...
> In article <1170637055.153387.111720@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> Peter H <haneburyp@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I saw the same thing. I have a digital box that automatically records
>> what I'm watching and I rewound to see it again. Unless the scene was
>> taped and spliced by the network he did not replace his ball properly.
>>
>> I was waiting for one of the commentators to bring this up, but they
>> didn't. Not sure what the penalty is for this, but assuming it's one
>> stroke then he actually tied for the lead and didn't win. Perhaps it
>> should have gone to a playoff hole.
>
> I was thinking the same thing. By now the penalty will be a DQ, since
> he signed an incorect card. The only thing I can guess is that either
> in the end he did not move it in the first place, or he replaced it
> very quickly.
>
> Can you tell the spot by looking at your recording of it?
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Date: 05 Feb 2007 13:29:30
From: David
Subject: Re: Baddeley on the 18th at FBR
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On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 21:29:07 -0500, "George Hibbard"
<gh@perfectimpact.com > wrote:
>To my eye he replaced the ball where it originally landed: the camera was
>not on him when he surely moved his ker back to its original spot. It
>was quite evident to me that the ball was replaced where it had landed. I
>find this all the more believable since a world of people witnessed his
>action: after all, the final putt was for the win. Hardly something to be
>seen by only a few!
I agree. I doubt that anyone would have let him putt out for the
win without moving his ker back to its original position. At
first, I was "concerned" about the putt, as well, though.
David
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