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Date: 08 Mar 2007 13:07:49
From: WW
Subject: Are you a chunker or a topper? Why
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I tend to top my fairway woods of turf. When I really need a good
iron shot in the clutch, I piss on my shoes & hit a clump of dirt b4
the ball. Consciencely I'm trying to get under the ball but I guess I
over do it.
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Date: 09 Mar 2007 06:15:59
From: Draco
Subject: Re: Are you a chunker or a topper? Why
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On 8, 4:07 pm, "WW" <dirt...@msn.com > wrote:
> I tend to top my fairway woods of turf. When I really need a good
> iron shot in the clutch, I piss on my shoes & hit a clump of dirt b4
> the ball. Consciencely I'm trying to get under the ball but I guess I
> over do it.
Being flexable is one thing. Having the ball in the corrrect position
between your feet is another. Being able to hit the ball and having it
do what you want? Then that is what it is all about.
I'm not very flexable at all. When I hit the ball fat or thin it is
because I haven't set up correctly. It took some time and lessons to
realize that little fact. I'll still hit the fat or thin if I don't
think about ball position. It can be very agrav...agrevat...Ok it is a
pain in the a$$ when it happens.
Get some lessons from a pro. Who will take the time to show you what
you might be doing wrong and give you drills to help correct any
difficulties you might be having with your swing.
Either way, enjoy the game.
Draco
Getting even isn't good enough.
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Date: 08 Mar 2007 16:52:53
From: WW
Subject: Re: Are you a chunker or a topper? Why
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> > Lately I have been combining thinking about my right shoulder with
> > thinking about a faster left hip twist when I work on this problem on
> > the range. Who knows whether that will have a long term benefit?
> Howard if yoiu were flexible.. i doubt you would be swaying off the
> ball or dropping your shoulder. If you were truly flexible you would
> be able to take your clasped hands back until your wrists form that
> 90=B0 position.
Just read a bit online. One article says chunking is from too much arm
swing & NOT rotating the torso 1st on the downswing. Streching is very
important. If I don't follow thru completely, I see it. Another week &
this cold is going to break in NY & hopefully I can swing again!
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Date: 08 Mar 2007 15:48:27
From: Hero
Subject: Re: Are you a chunker or a topper? Why
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On 8, 4:42 pm, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net > wrote:
> On 8 2007 13:07:49 -0800, "WW" <dirt...@msn.com> wrote:
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> > I tend to top my fairway woods of turf. When I really need a good
> >iron shot in the clutch, I piss on my shoes & hit a clump of dirt b4
> >the ball. Consciencely I'm trying to get under the ball but I guess I
> >over do it.
>
> My biggest recurring swing problem. I'm pretty flexible and have to
> work hard at not dropping my shoulder nor swaying nor moving my hips
> too much. And when I practice creating good divots, I fail
> miserably, often getting your result.
>
> Lately I have been combining thinking about my right shoulder with
> thinking about a faster left hip twist when I work on this problem on
> the range. Who knows whether that will have a long term benefit?
>
> Make sure though that you don't have another swing flaw which
> encourages this. Only a trained eye is adequate for this. You
> might have to correct the OTT move before you can do much more, for
> instance.
Howard if yoiu were flexible.. i doubt you would be swaying off the
ball or dropping your shoulder. If you were truly flexible you would
be able to take your clasped hands back until your wrists form that
90=B0 position.
It sounds as if your problem may be from not being flexible enough.
I'd say at least 75-80% of the golfers I play with cannot properly
rotate their shoulders with.. picking the club up, some arm bending
(opposed to maintaining extension), shoulder dipping and swaying.
Most problems occur because the person is just not flexible enough.
That's a fact that most people will argue against. The manfacturers
and golf pros (most) will tell you different. Stretch everyday and
watch your swing improve dramatically. All IMO
-Hero
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Date: 08 Mar 2007 21:53:26
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Are you a chunker or a topper? Why
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I do both.
The thin shot costs me more strokes than the fatty.
Thinning a half wedge off the out of bounds house adds up fast.
Otto
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Date: 09 Mar 2007 11:39:29
From: David
Subject: Re: Are you a chunker or a topper? Why
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On Thu, 8 2007 21:53:26 -0500, "Otto"
<ottondebREMOVE%$#%^%$@@bellsouth.net > wrote:
>I do both.
>
>The thin shot costs me more strokes than the fatty.
>
>Thinning a half wedge off the out of bounds house adds up fast.
You have obviously not heard the phrase "thin to win." Of course,
if you are thinning your wedge, that is a problem; if you are 175
yards out and hit your 5(?) iron fat, however, you may be having to
hit practically the same shot again. If you hit it thin, though, you
may still reach the green.
>Otto
David
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Date: 09 Mar 2007 06:37:32
From: carl llewellyn
Subject: Re: Are you a chunker or a topper? Why
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If you want to see how flexible you are in the shoulders, try sticking
your hands behind your back and see how far they go.
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Date: 09 Mar 2007 19:45:52
From: David
Subject: Re: Are you a chunker or a topper? Why
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On Fri, 9 2007 06:37:32 -0500, cplcar@webtv.net (carl llewellyn)
wrote:
>If you want to see how flexible you are in the shoulders, try sticking
>your hands behind your back and see how far they go.
I am not sure why you posted that as an answer to my reply ?!
David
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Date: 09 Mar 2007 16:29:06
From: carl llewellyn
Subject: Re: Are you a chunker or a topper? Why
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If your shoulders along with the rest of your body are not working
together, it might explain why you do not hit the ball the way you want
to.
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Date: 09 Mar 2007 06:42:57
From: Otto
Subject: Re: Are you a chunker or a topper? Why
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"David" <dgold1958@yahoo.de > wrote in message
news:77e2v25oklak1b7f2ghb24hgikslkav8ku@4ax.com...
> You have obviously not heard the phrase "thin to win." Of course,
> if you are thinning your wedge, that is a problem; if you are 175
> yards out and hit your 5(?) iron fat, however, you may be having to
> hit practically the same shot again. If you hit it thin, though, you
> may still reach the green.
I've heard of "thin to win" and use it when the thin shot turns out good. It
does happen. I play on a course with out of bounds on nearly every hole and
often tightly behind the green due to residential development. Thin normally
means stroke and distance on my course.
Otto
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Date: 09 Mar 2007 02:50:20
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Are you a chunker or a topper? Why
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On 8 2007 15:48:27 -0800, "Hero" <khunt@ethus.jnj.com > wrote:
>Howard if yoiu were flexible.. i doubt you would be swaying off the
>ball or dropping your shoulder. If you were truly flexible you would
>be able to take your clasped hands back until your wrists form that
>90° position.
By most measurements I am quite flexible. I can place my hands flat
on the ground without bending my knees. I can cross my feet above my
thighs without using my hands with my knees close together in front of
me. I can touch my fingers of both hands and jump over them both
ways. I forget who on this forum can move his thumb back down to
touch his wrist - I'm not anywhere close to that.
The swaying is more of a short-stop's swaying on the balls of my feet.
I need to keep my weight on my heels while playing golf to assist in
my attempt to keep my height consistent.
>It sounds as if your problem may be from not being flexible enough.
>I'd say at least 75-80% of the golfers I play with cannot properly
>rotate their shoulders with.. picking the club up, some arm bending
>(opposed to maintaining extension), shoulder dipping and swaying.
My shoulders do move around past 90° with my hips less than 45°.
>Most problems occur because the person is just not flexible enough.
>That's a fact that most people will argue against. The manfacturers
>and golf pros (most) will tell you different. Stretch everyday and
>watch your swing improve dramatically. All IMO
I am old enough that fatigue plays a factor, which is another reason
to stretch.
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Date: 09 Mar 2007 20:29:52
From: tomk
Subject: Re: Are you a chunker or a topper? Why
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"Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net > wrote in
> By most measurements I am quite flexible. I can place my hands flat
> on the ground without bending my knees. I can cross my feet above my
> thighs without using my hands with my knees close together in front of
> me. I can touch my fingers of both hands and jump over them both
> ways. I forget who on this forum can move his thumb back down to
> touch his wrist - I'm not anywhere close to that.
>
You should give up golf ... and join a circus IMO.
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Date: 08 Mar 2007 14:42:26
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Are you a chunker or a topper? Why
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On 8 2007 13:07:49 -0800, "WW" <dirtymm@msn.com > wrote:
> I tend to top my fairway woods of turf. When I really need a good
>iron shot in the clutch, I piss on my shoes & hit a clump of dirt b4
>the ball. Consciencely I'm trying to get under the ball but I guess I
>over do it.
My biggest recurring swing problem. I'm pretty flexible and have to
work hard at not dropping my shoulder nor swaying nor moving my hips
too much. And when I practice creating good divots, I fail
miserably, often getting your result.
Lately I have been combining thinking about my right shoulder with
thinking about a faster left hip twist when I work on this problem on
the range. Who knows whether that will have a long term benefit?
Make sure though that you don't have another swing flaw which
encourages this. Only a trained eye is adequate for this. You
might have to correct the OTT move before you can do much more, for
instance.
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Date: 08 Mar 2007 15:16:11
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Are you a chunker or a topper? Why
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"WW" <dirtymm@msn.com > wrote in message
news:1173388069.541879.149930@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> I tend to top my fairway woods of turf. When I really need a good
> iron shot in the clutch, I piss on my shoes & hit a clump of dirt b4
> the ball. Consciencely I'm trying to get under the ball but I guess I
> over do it.
>
I feel your pain.
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