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Date: 02 Jan 2007 12:41:18
From: IcUrdazedandconfused
Subject: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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Just got a call this morning, and got free tickets to the BCS
championship out there, and my benefactor and I would like to play
some golf before and after, if we can.
We're staying in Scottsdale; Can you give us some course
recommendations? We will have to take a taxi, so it can't be 50 miles
away.
Thanks!
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Date: 06 Jan 2007 05:27:30
From: Sparky
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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When I was there I played Greyhawk and Kierland. Both of which were
excellent...
me
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 12:47:37
From: newellsatwsu
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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glfnaz wrote:
> "IcUrdazedandconfused" <IcUrdazed@confused.net> wrote in message
> news:t7cqp2l3fcs23nv2dntqdq3sbul09rqejp@4ax.com...
> > That does help a lot. I really like the look of We-Ko-Pa. We may
> > change our Tuesday and play there instead.
>
> It's about 12 miles East of Scottsdale on the Indian Reservation, past
> Fountain Hills.
We-Ko-Pa was highly recommended to me by some locals I played with at
Sun Ridge Canyon (also in Fountain Hills) in November.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 09:51:06
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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cja wrote:
> glfnaz wrote:
>
> > Read the December 2006 issue of Super Series Magazine. There is
> > a 9 page 4/color article about him.
> >
> I'd like to read that. I found the magazine's web site, but it looks
> like no content is on-line. Is there any way to see the article without
> buying a paper copy?
Maybe Brad can scan it and post it for all to see?
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 09:21:00
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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On Jan 4, 9:06 am, "MnMikew" <mnmiik...@aol.com > wrote:
> "Chris Bellomy" <p...@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote in messagenews:1T3okh36Il76N34@redshark.goodshow.net...
>
> > I'm proud of his talent and his drive, though. Does that make me a bad
> > >parent?Asking Brett for parenting tips is like asking a 20 handicapper for swing
> tips.
Or asking Mike for tips on anything linguistic. Mike, you make Mike
Tyson look like Cicero.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 09:18:21
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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glfnaz wrote:
> >
>
> Who made the last out of the '62 World Series?
Willie McCovey.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 13:01:47
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1167931101.400993.126220@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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> glfnaz wrote:
>> >
>>
>> Who made the last out of the '62 World Series?
>
> Willie McCovey.
>
Bobby Richardson.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 14:07:52
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 13:01:47 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com >
wrote:
>
>"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1167931101.400993.126220@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> glfnaz wrote:
>>> >
>>>
>>> Who made the last out of the '62 World Series?
>>
>> Willie McCovey.
>>
>Bobby Richardson.
>
You guys are good. Now, who pitched that game...and why?
If you get this one you have a baseball almanac at hand.
bk
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 13:47:09
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:07:52 -0600, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net >
wrote:
>>>> Who made the last out of the '62 World Series?
>>>
>>> Willie McCovey.
>>>
>>Bobby Richardson.
>>
>You guys are good. Now, who pitched that game...and why?
>If you get this one you have a baseball almanac at hand.
>bk
All I know is that I recently moved from the bay area to Mexico City
and that the Yankees won. I'm not a big baseball fan, but remember
watching McCovey in Candlestick before I moved.
Do you know the story about how he got to be a Giant?
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Date: 06 Jan 2007 05:24:26
From: Sparky
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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On 4-Jan-2007, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net > wrote:
> Do you know the story about how he got to be giant?
He ate right and took his vitamins?
me
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 13:18:35
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message
news:1anqp29s4eb4qcpn3k5svjcb2bnhjg483n@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 13:01:47 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote in message
>>news:1167931101.400993.126220@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> glfnaz wrote:
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Who made the last out of the '62 World Series?
>>>
>>> Willie McCovey.
>>>
>>Bobby Richardson.
>>
> You guys are good. Now, who pitched that game...and why?
> If you get this one you have a baseball almanac at hand.
> bk
Jack Sanford and Ralph Terry each went 9 complete innings.
Houk made a mistake by keeping the right handed Terry in the game to pitch
lefty McCovey, but got away with murder. McCovey hit a sure game winning
drive toward rt field that a diving Richardson layed out for and caught.
Bases were loaded at the time.
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 00:06:13
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 13:18:35 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com >
wrote:
>
>"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net> wrote in message
>news:1anqp29s4eb4qcpn3k5svjcb2bnhjg483n@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 13:01:47 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1167931101.400993.126220@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>> glfnaz wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> Who made the last out of the '62 World Series?
>>>>
>>>> Willie McCovey.
>>>>
>>>Bobby Richardson.
>>>
>> You guys are good. Now, who pitched that game...and why?
>> If you get this one you have a baseball almanac at hand.
>> bk
>
>Jack Sanford and Ralph Terry each went 9 complete innings.
>Houk made a mistake by keeping the right handed Terry in the game to pitch
>lefty McCovey, but got away with murder. McCovey hit a sure game winning
>drive toward rt field that a diving Richardson layed out for and caught.
>Bases were loaded at the time.
>
Terry, who was the Series MVP got the start I believe because Bouton
was supposed to pitch, but rain delays changed the order.
___,
\o
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 14:09:55
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:07:52 -0600, Bobby Knight <bknight@conramp.net >
wrote:
>On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 13:01:47 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote in message
>>news:1167931101.400993.126220@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> glfnaz wrote:
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Who made the last out of the '62 World Series?
>>>
>>> Willie McCovey.
>>>
>>Bobby Richardson.
>>
>You guys are good. Now, who pitched that game...and why?
>If you get this one you have a baseball almanac at hand.
>bk
Yankee's pitcher. (easy answer, but why????)
bk
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 12:43:08
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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On 4 Jan 2007 09:18:21 -0800, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:
>
>glfnaz wrote:
>> >
>>
>> Who made the last out of the '62 World Series?
>
>Willie McCovey.
Hey Brett,
You might like this. I thought about you when I first read about it
but forgot to post.
http://tinyurl.com/y6ptg7
--
jvdp
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 17:26:47
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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On 4 Jan 2007 09:18:21 -0800, "annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:
>
>glfnaz wrote:
>> >
>>
>> Who made the last out of the '62 World Series?
>
>Willie McCovey.
Who made the put out?
___,
\o
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 07:59:28
From: cja
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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glfnaz wrote:
> "cja" <cja@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:1167918576.930761.290960@s80g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > glfnaz wrote:
> >
> >> Read the December 2006 issue of Super Series Magazine. There is
> >> a 9 page 4/color article about him.
> >>
> > I'd like to read that. I found the magazine's web site, but it looks
> > like no content is on-line. Is there any way to see the article without
> > buying a paper copy?
> >
> > - cja
> >
> No, sorry
> I'll mail you one if you'll return it to me.
> I only have a couple and granny wants to keep one.
> If so, send me your address via private e-mail.
> bg
>
Thanks for the offer. I can order a copy from the web site. It's only
$6.50, including shipping.
- cja
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 07:57:39
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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MnMikew wrote:
> Asking Brett for parenting tips is like asking a 20 handicapper for swing
> tips.
I may or may not ever become a parent. But you'll always be an asshole.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 17:36:52
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:
:
: MnMikew wrote:
: > Asking Brett for parenting tips is like asking a 20 handicapper for swing
: > tips.
:
: I may or may not ever become a parent. But you'll always be an asshole.
I'LL ALWAYS BE BOTH. NYAH.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 07:56:50
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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glfnaz wrote:
> What you are saying is that you have no kids and you think you know more
> about kids than actual parents.
Well if you wanna rip me for not having kids, knock yourself out.
FWIW, my sister has 4 boys. The youngest, who is 14 now, spends most
of his time sitting around the house and playing video games. I'd much
rather see him out playing baseball like we did when we were that age.
When I was young I never had the opportunities your kid has so maybe
I'm a little jealous. I usually had to go outside and play catch with
myself by throwing either a rubber ball or a tennis ball against the
house. I was the master of the over-the-shoulder catch in those days.
I loved the game and could tell you every stat of just about any MLB
player. The only time I ever got sent to the Principal's office in
school was when I acted up on purpose. You see, his office had the
only TV in the building and the Wrold Series game was on and I needed
to check on the score.
So while I don't have kids, I do understand you and your son's passion
for the game. Hell, I lived it. But that has nothing to do with my
distaste for Select teams of 6 year-olds (or even 11-12 year-olds), or
my feelings about the over-emphasis on stats and winning rather than on
participation.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 09:04:02
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1167926209.961643.103780@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> glfnaz wrote:
>> What you are saying is that you have no kids and you think you know more
>> about kids than actual parents.
>
> Well if you wanna rip me for not having kids, knock yourself out.
> FWIW, my sister has 4 boys. The youngest, who is 14 now, spends most
> of his time sitting around the house and playing video games. I'd much
> rather see him out playing baseball like we did when we were that age.
> When I was young I never had the opportunities your kid has so maybe
> I'm a little jealous. I usually had to go outside and play catch with
> myself by throwing either a rubber ball or a tennis ball against the
> house. I was the master of the over-the-shoulder catch in those days.
> I loved the game and could tell you every stat of just about any MLB
> player. The only time I ever got sent to the Principal's office in
> school was when I acted up on purpose. You see, his office had the
> only TV in the building and the Wrold Series game was on and I needed
> to check on the score.
>
> So while I don't have kids, I do understand you and your son's passion
> for the game. Hell, I lived it. But that has nothing to do with my
> distaste for Select teams of 6 year-olds (or even 11-12 year-olds), or
> my feelings about the over-emphasis on stats and winning rather than on
> participation.
>
Who made the last out of the '62 World Series?
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 05:49:36
From: cja
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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glfnaz wrote:
> Read the December 2006 issue of Super Series Magazine. There is
> a 9 page 4/color article about him.
>
I'd like to read that. I found the magazine's web site, but it looks
like no content is on-line. Is there any way to see the article without
buying a paper copy?
- cja
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 08:30:17
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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"cja" <cja@excite.com > wrote in message
news:1167918576.930761.290960@s80g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> glfnaz wrote:
>
>> Read the December 2006 issue of Super Series Magazine. There is
>> a 9 page 4/color article about him.
>>
> I'd like to read that. I found the magazine's web site, but it looks
> like no content is on-line. Is there any way to see the article without
> buying a paper copy?
>
> - cja
>
No, sorry
I'll mail you one if you'll return it to me.
I only have a couple and granny wants to keep one.
If so, send me your address via private e-mail.
bg
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 17:18:25
From: Gordo
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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IcUrdazedandconfused wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:52:47 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"IcUrdazedandconfused" <IcUrdazed@confused.net> wrote in message
> >news:656lp2d0ltaq3514nlpm8vguhs7s3rbq5p@4ax.com...
> >> Just got a call this morning, and got free tickets to the BCS
> >> championship out there, and my benefactor and I would like to play
> >> some golf before and after, if we can.
> >> We're staying in Scottsdale; Can you give us some course
> >> recommendations? We will have to take a taxi, so it can't be 50 miles
> >> away.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >
> >The one's already mentioned are good.
> >
> >Troon North and Greyhawk will be very expensive, as will the TPC Stadium
> >Course.--$250.00 or so.
> >Ledgend Trail, Talking Stick, and Kierland will be slightly less. $150.00 or
> >so.
> >The Sancuary at Westworld may be the best deal. It's narrow and sporty.
> >About $80 - $100.
> >http://www.sanctuarygolf.com/
> >
> >Wildfire has 2 courses. It's just West of Greyhawk a bit.Probably $150.00
> >
> >For lower end golf, --meaning 6000 yard type courses, just basic golf -- try
> >Starfire and Silverado managed by In Celebration of Golf.
> >Here's a link to their tee times page--they run specials on tee times not
> >yet taken. These are not great courses, just basic golf.
> >http://www.incelebrationofgolf.com/corporate/home.html
> >Then hit the 'tee times' button.
> >You should be able to find last minute deals for around $45 or so.
> >
>
> Thanks. I want to stay away from the $250 courses, that's for sure.
> Is there any of the courses near Scottsdale that are at the foothills
> of the mountains? (Within a reasonable distance?)
OK, so you're coming to Phoenix for the BCS with free tickets, and
you're complaining about playing for $250?? I understand, and I feel
your pain. Some other courses to consider that don't completely hose
you down for greens fees is ASU Karsten. This is one of my favorite
area courses. Pete Dye was in a bad mood on some of these holes! Brad
has already mentioned Silverado. Also, I haven't looked at the entire
thread, but if no one has suggested www.golfnow.com, take a look there
for tee time specials.
I have Sundays and Mondays off from Work. I'd be happy to tee it up
with you if you need some help with a foursome. Just drop me a line.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 11:43:44
From: IcUrdazedandconfused
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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On 3 Jan 2007 17:18:25 -0800, "Gordo" <golfzlf@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>IcUrdazedandconfused wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:52:47 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"IcUrdazedandconfused" <IcUrdazed@confused.net> wrote in message
>> >news:656lp2d0ltaq3514nlpm8vguhs7s3rbq5p@4ax.com...
>> >> Just got a call this morning, and got free tickets to the BCS
>> >> championship out there, and my benefactor and I would like to play
>> >> some golf before and after, if we can.
>> >> We're staying in Scottsdale; Can you give us some course
>> >> recommendations? We will have to take a taxi, so it can't be 50 miles
>> >> away.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks!
>> >
>> >The one's already mentioned are good.
>> >
>> >Troon North and Greyhawk will be very expensive, as will the TPC Stadium
>> >Course.--$250.00 or so.
>> >Ledgend Trail, Talking Stick, and Kierland will be slightly less. $150.00 or
>> >so.
>> >The Sancuary at Westworld may be the best deal. It's narrow and sporty.
>> >About $80 - $100.
>> >http://www.sanctuarygolf.com/
>> >
>> >Wildfire has 2 courses. It's just West of Greyhawk a bit.Probably $150.00
>> >
>> >For lower end golf, --meaning 6000 yard type courses, just basic golf -- try
>> >Starfire and Silverado managed by In Celebration of Golf.
>> >Here's a link to their tee times page--they run specials on tee times not
>> >yet taken. These are not great courses, just basic golf.
>> >http://www.incelebrationofgolf.com/corporate/home.html
>> >Then hit the 'tee times' button.
>> >You should be able to find last minute deals for around $45 or so.
>> >
>>
>> Thanks. I want to stay away from the $250 courses, that's for sure.
>> Is there any of the courses near Scottsdale that are at the foothills
>> of the mountains? (Within a reasonable distance?)
>
>OK, so you're coming to Phoenix for the BCS with free tickets, and
>you're complaining about playing for $250?? I understand, and I feel
>your pain. Some other courses to consider that don't completely hose
>you down for greens fees is ASU Karsten. This is one of my favorite
>area courses. Pete Dye was in a bad mood on some of these holes! Brad
>has already mentioned Silverado. Also, I haven't looked at the entire
>thread, but if no one has suggested www.golfnow.com, take a look there
>for tee time specials.
>
>I have Sundays and Mondays off from Work. I'd be happy to tee it up
>with you if you need some help with a foursome. Just drop me a line.
Gordo:
Yep, I'm a cheapskate! :)
Thanks for the offer to help us out. It looks like we are going to
play Sunday with a group, and then Tuesday at the Phoenician. (Just
logistically worked out that way..)
Thanks for the info, and the offer!
Tony
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 17:01:50
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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glfnaz wrote:
> > I'll bet it would be easier for me to get into Augusta National than
> > for a weak-hitting geeky kid with glasses to get onto your squad.
> > ---------------------------------------------
>
> Of course.
> There a zillion places for rec baseball. Little league, Cal Ripkin, Bronco,
> Boys & Girls Clubs, sandlot baseball, etc. We only provide an outlet for
> highly skilled players to be challenged at a more competitive level. The
> have to want and seek out to play in that environment. We, and the other
> clubs know that. Likewise, my son plays in a rec basketball league. He runs
> well, but can't shoot. He loves it. But he has no chance to make his best
> friend's Club Basketball Team, and quite frankly, he doesn't belong on that
> team. He's not good enough. A rec program fits him perfectly.
And yet you don't consider the Firebirds a Select team?
Sounds like you could hardly be more selective if you tried.
Greg asked what my gripe is and here it is layed bare for all to see.
This isn't about giving a kid a chance to play baseball. As you so
eloquently put it, "There a zillion places for rec baseball."
This is about winning and glory, both for the kids and especially the
parents.
I wouldn't even have a problem with a Select team of, say, 16-17 year
olds.
But 11 year-olds? Gimme a break!
In my mind that's no different than the parents who dress their 5 year
old girls up for beauty pageants, ala Jon Benet Ramsey. They'll say
stuff like, "But the kids love it."
Maybe so, but that don't make it right .... that's all I'm sayin.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 03:38:29
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com > wrote:
:
: glfnaz wrote:
: > > I'll bet it would be easier for me to get into Augusta National than
: > > for a weak-hitting geeky kid with glasses to get onto your squad.
: > > ---------------------------------------------
: >
: > Of course.
: > There a zillion places for rec baseball. Little league, Cal Ripkin, Bronco,
: > Boys & Girls Clubs, sandlot baseball, etc. We only provide an outlet for
: > highly skilled players to be challenged at a more competitive level. The
: > have to want and seek out to play in that environment. We, and the other
: > clubs know that. Likewise, my son plays in a rec basketball league. He runs
: > well, but can't shoot. He loves it. But he has no chance to make his best
: > friend's Club Basketball Team, and quite frankly, he doesn't belong on that
: > team. He's not good enough. A rec program fits him perfectly.
:
: And yet you don't consider the Firebirds a Select team?
: Sounds like you could hardly be more selective if you tried.
:
: Greg asked what my gripe is and here it is layed bare for all to see.
: This isn't about giving a kid a chance to play baseball. As you so
: eloquently put it, "There a zillion places for rec baseball."
: This is about winning and glory, both for the kids and especially the
: parents.
I dunno, Bret, there are some pretty driven 11 y/o's. Do you
think 11 y/o Ben Hogan would have been content with rec league
shit? 11 y/o Tiger?
The fact is that most kids like to play with other kids of
talent comparable to theirs, whether it's baseball, golf,
music, whatever. For most kids that means casual mediocrity,
but some kids are different and nearly all kids have *something*
they do very well. When I was 11 I couldn't wait to move up
a classification in band because I could play a little and
I wasn't learning anything playing with the rank beginners.
Brad's kid can be the absolute terror of Little League (and
probably is) but what's more fun, batting .900 against kids
you know can't beat you, or batting .350 against other kids
of your own ability level?
I have a kid that's the same age as Brad's. He has played
Little League baseball but he's not very good. However, he
did enjoy it well enough and would gladly do it again, as
long as the other kids were pretty close to him in ability.
He plays chess like a fiend, though, and wants to start checking
adult chess clubs. I'll probably let him, because that's the
only way he can keep pushing himself to improve. He's doing
the pushing, though, not me. I'm proud of his talent and his
drive, though. Does that make me a bad parent?
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 09:06:03
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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"Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote in message
news:1T3okh36Il76N34@redshark.goodshow.net...
> I'm proud of his talent and his drive, though. Does that make me a bad
> >parent?
Asking Brett for parenting tips is like asking a 20 handicapper for swing
tips.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 16:48:56
From: Bobby Knight
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 09:06:03 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com >
wrote:
>
>"Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote in message
>news:1T3okh36Il76N34@redshark.goodshow.net...
>> I'm proud of his talent and his drive, though. Does that make me a bad
>> >parent?
>
>Asking Brett for parenting tips is like asking a 20 handicapper for swing
>tips.
>
Well, maybe a little broad there Mike. It depends on what the asker's
handicap is. :-)
___,
\o
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 11:43:48
From: MnMikew
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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"Bobby Knight" <bknight@conramp.net > wrote in message
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> On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 09:06:03 -0600, "MnMikew" <mnmiikkew@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:1T3okh36Il76N34@redshark.goodshow.net...
>>> I'm proud of his talent and his drive, though. Does that make me a bad
>>> >parent?
>>
>>Asking Brett for parenting tips is like asking a 20 handicapper for swing
>>tips.
>>
> Well, maybe a little broad there Mike. It depends on what the asker's
> handicap is. :-)
>
So true Bobby. Brett, I meant this as a joke and forgot the :-). My
apologies if you didn't see it that way.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 08:58:17
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 03:38:29 GMT, Chris Bellomy
<puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
>
>I have a kid that's the same age as Brad's. He has played
>Little League baseball but he's not very good. However, he
>did enjoy it well enough and would gladly do it again, as
>long as the other kids were pretty close to him in ability.
>He plays chess like a fiend, though, and wants to start checking
>adult chess clubs. I'll probably let him, because that's the
>only way he can keep pushing himself to improve. He's doing
>the pushing, though, not me. I'm proud of his talent and his
>drive, though. Does that make me a bad parent?
Just don't let him grow up to be like Bobby Fischer. That's all I'm
sayin'.
--
jvdp
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 17:38:17
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspammy@bite.org > wrote:
: On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 03:38:29 GMT, Chris Bellomy
: <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote:
:
: >
: >I have a kid that's the same age as Brad's. He has played
: >Little League baseball but he's not very good. However, he
: >did enjoy it well enough and would gladly do it again, as
: >long as the other kids were pretty close to him in ability.
: >He plays chess like a fiend, though, and wants to start checking
: >adult chess clubs. I'll probably let him, because that's the
: >only way he can keep pushing himself to improve. He's doing
: >the pushing, though, not me. I'm proud of his talent and his
: >drive, though. Does that make me a bad parent?
:
: Just don't let him grow up to be like Bobby Fischer. That's all I'm
: sayin'.
It's much worse than that. He's a lot like *me*.
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 21:17:19
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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"Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote in message
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> annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com> wrote:
> :
> : glfnaz wrote:
> :> > I'll bet it would be easier for me to get into Augusta National than
> :> > for a weak-hitting geeky kid with glasses to get onto your squad.
> :> > ---------------------------------------------
> :>
> :> Of course.
> :> There a zillion places for rec baseball. Little league, Cal Ripkin,
> Bronco,
> :> Boys & Girls Clubs, sandlot baseball, etc. We only provide an outlet
> for
> :> highly skilled players to be challenged at a more competitive level.
> The
> :> have to want and seek out to play in that environment. We, and the
> other
> :> clubs know that. Likewise, my son plays in a rec basketball league. He
> runs
> :> well, but can't shoot. He loves it. But he has no chance to make his
> best
> :> friend's Club Basketball Team, and quite frankly, he doesn't belong on
> that
> :> team. He's not good enough. A rec program fits him perfectly.
> :
> : And yet you don't consider the Firebirds a Select team?
> : Sounds like you could hardly be more selective if you tried.
> :
> : Greg asked what my gripe is and here it is layed bare for all to see.
> : This isn't about giving a kid a chance to play baseball. As you so
> : eloquently put it, "There a zillion places for rec baseball."
> : This is about winning and glory, both for the kids and especially the
> : parents.
>
> I dunno, Bret, there are some pretty driven 11 y/o's. Do you
> think 11 y/o Ben Hogan would have been content with rec league
> shit? 11 y/o Tiger?
>
> The fact is that most kids like to play with other kids of
> talent comparable to theirs, whether it's baseball, golf,
> music, whatever. For most kids that means casual mediocrity,
> but some kids are different and nearly all kids have *something*
> they do very well. When I was 11 I couldn't wait to move up
> a classification in band because I could play a little and
> I wasn't learning anything playing with the rank beginners.
> Brad's kid can be the absolute terror of Little League (and
> probably is) but what's more fun, batting .900 against kids
> you know can't beat you, or batting .350 against other kids
> of your own ability level?
>
> I have a kid that's the same age as Brad's. He has played
> Little League baseball but he's not very good. However, he
> did enjoy it well enough and would gladly do it again, as
> long as the other kids were pretty close to him in ability.
> He plays chess like a fiend, though, and wants to start checking
> adult chess clubs. I'll probably let him, because that's the
> only way he can keep pushing himself to improve. He's doing
> the pushing, though, not me. I'm proud of his talent and his
> drive, though. Does that make me a bad parent?
>
> --
> Chris Bellomy
> C-List Charter Member
> http://clist.org/
Yeah kids can be so fun and so different.
My daughter does science stuff like a champ. She did group competitions at
school caled " Odessey of the Mind ". Her team won local events then the
State Event. They were invited to a World Competition in Poland last Spring.
I sent her with mom as a counselor. Her team failed miserably in Poland, but
she learned so much about cultures and life that it was very rewarding time
for her. I would have felt very guilty if I had denied her the chance to
try.
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 18:46:08
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
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>
> glfnaz wrote:
>> > I'll bet it would be easier for me to get into Augusta National than
>> > for a weak-hitting geeky kid with glasses to get onto your squad.
>> > ---------------------------------------------
>>
>> Of course.
>> There a zillion places for rec baseball. Little league, Cal Ripkin,
>> Bronco,
>> Boys & Girls Clubs, sandlot baseball, etc. We only provide an outlet for
>> highly skilled players to be challenged at a more competitive level. The
>> have to want and seek out to play in that environment. We, and the other
>> clubs know that. Likewise, my son plays in a rec basketball league. He
>> runs
>> well, but can't shoot. He loves it. But he has no chance to make his best
>> friend's Club Basketball Team, and quite frankly, he doesn't belong on
>> that
>> team. He's not good enough. A rec program fits him perfectly.
>
> And yet you don't consider the Firebirds a Select team?
> Sounds like you could hardly be more selective if you tried.
>
> Greg asked what my gripe is and here it is layed bare for all to see.
> This isn't about giving a kid a chance to play baseball. As you so
> eloquently put it, "There a zillion places for rec baseball."
> This is about winning and glory, both for the kids and especially the
> parents.
>
> I wouldn't even have a problem with a Select team of, say, 16-17 year
> olds.
> But 11 year-olds? Gimme a break!
> In my mind that's no different than the parents who dress their 5 year
> old girls up for beauty pageants, ala Jon Benet Ramsey. They'll say
> stuff like, "But the kids love it."
> Maybe so, but that don't make it right .... that's all I'm sayin.
>
What you are saying is that you have no kids and you think you know more
about kids than actual parents. We are a select team, I haven't denied that.
It's for kids that have advanced skills who choose a more competitive
environment than what rec baseball programs offer. It doesn't replace rec
baseball, it adds to it.
I'll guarantee you, that every kid and family chooses to be there as an
addition to their regular rec participation. It's no different that a kid
who plays in their school 6th grade band, who also has the skills to want
private instruction and perform for a local symphony. It's no different than
a Middle school golfer who plays for his middle school golf team, but also
plays JGAA. It's no different than a high school kid who plays for his high
school tennis team but also competes in USTA national events. I was friends
with the Van Halens and Michael Sobelewski ( Michael Anthony stage name)
growing up. They were in the Jr high and high school band. But they wanted
additional music instruction on the side. They were always going off for
advanced training by guys that Mr Van Halen knew from his work. They loved
it. Should the parents have dennied the kids the fire in their bellies and
denied them?
My son asked for a more competitive environment to play baseball. There are
many opportunities for it, so I let him. If I hadn't, then you should call
me into question. He hasn't left our local Little league. He still plays
with his community buddies. I won't bore you with the facts of his skill
level.
He wanted to be exposed to better players and he wanted more / better
instruction. Read the December 2006 issue of Super Series Magazine. There is
a 9 page 4/color article about him.
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 16:55:02
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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glfnaz wrote:
> I played in the 13-14 Year old Pony League All Stars and our team made it to
> the World Series in PA. We actually made it to the final game and lost. Some
> guy built like a coke machine for Hawaii beat us. His name is Mosi Tatupu
> who ended up a running back in the NFL. But on that team of 13 of us......
> 1--made the Majors and was a MLB all-star
> 1--played football at USC on scholorship
> 1 played baseabll at Stanford on scholorship
> 1--played baseball at UCLA on scholorship
> 1--played baseball at UC San Diego on scholorship
> 1--Played baseball at Gonzaga on scholorship
> 1--played baseball at Univ of Redlands without a scholorship
> 2--were drafted out of high school by pro teams and washed out early
> 1--became a pro water skier
> 1--was arrested for skipping bail the moment the plane landed back in Los
> Angeles. Prior drug arrest we knew nothing about
So how long did you serve?
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 18:24:25
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1167872101.073904.127520@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> glfnaz wrote:
>> I played in the 13-14 Year old Pony League All Stars and our team made it
>> to
>> the World Series in PA. We actually made it to the final game and lost.
>> Some
>> guy built like a coke machine for Hawaii beat us. His name is Mosi Tatupu
>> who ended up a running back in the NFL. But on that team of 13 of
>> us......
>> 1--made the Majors and was a MLB all-star
>> 1--played football at USC on scholorship
>> 1 played baseabll at Stanford on scholorship
>> 1--played baseball at UCLA on scholorship
>> 1--played baseball at UC San Diego on scholorship
>> 1--Played baseball at Gonzaga on scholorship
>> 1--played baseball at Univ of Redlands without a scholorship
>> 2--were drafted out of high school by pro teams and washed out early
>> 1--became a pro water skier
>> 1--was arrested for skipping bail the moment the plane landed back in Los
>> Angeles. Prior drug arrest we knew nothing about
>
> So how long did you serve?
>
My free agent signing bonus was a hot dog, a coke, and a one way bus ticket
to Rookie ball.
I left after Rookie short - season and enrolled at USC where I had an
academic scholorship.
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 16:28:46
From: Ben.
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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On Jan 3, 1:12 am, "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com > wrote:
> Because he embodies many of the traits of the typical over-bearing
> Little League parent trying to re-live his past glories and fantasies
> through his kids.
What if -GASP- Greer's kid likes the game, the motivation and the
chance to play lots of ball? When I was a kid, you couldn't drag me
away from the baseball fields...if I could have played baseball from
February 'til January, sign me the fuck up. We practiced three times a
week and played once, occasionally twice a week. The rest of the time
we were playing on an open diamond, going to the batting cages, or
watching other teams play. And guess what else? Back then, one team
lost and one team won. You learned in life that there are winners,
there are losers, the occasional stalemate, and not everyone gets in
the game. Perfect simile for what the world we live in is actually
like.
Neuroses on your part does not constitute anything on Greer's part. If
his kid can deal with the demands, which from the way Greer spins it,
it sounds like he can, what's the problem? I seriously doubt Earl
pushed Tiger any further than Tiger needed to be, or could be, pushed.
But rest assured, he was pushed.
I know this has been an ongoing issue with you guys, and my God, it
sounds like if you had your way, all kids would be swinging from tire
swings, playing with hoola-hoops and a-fishin' at the water hole all
day. Dizzy Dean is a foregone notion.
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 13:51:55
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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Birdie Bill wrote:
> On Jan 3, 1:12 am, "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com> wrote:
> > Dene wrote:
> >
> > > Why do you ride Brad so hard about this.
>
> >Because he embodies many of the traits of the typical over-bearing
> > Little League parent trying to re-live his past glories and fantasies
> > through his kids.
>
> A stereotype. Sure, there are some parents like that, but they
> are far from "typical". Mostly it is kids dragging their parents
> rather than parents pushing the kids.
>
> Little league and lower age groups do have the worst parents,
> though. Things are much better at the club level. Speaking
> as someone who has been through the meat grinder.
>
> Tell me, when you were young, did you ever WANT to play
> sports? Or did your parents force you? These kids are
> the same way. You can't force them to do anything they
> don't want to do. And they really do have to want to play
> to make the sacrifices necessary to compete at the upper
> levels.
>
> And, sometimes their dreams do come true.
Well said, Bill. My experience exactly with my son, except I never saw
any Little League parental problems, even during the two years I
coached.
You really cannot force a kid to play if he doesn't want to. Right
now, my son is not interested in baseball, despite my gentle coaxing.
He prefers basketball and golf, whereas my passion was always baseball,
rain or shine.
Brad's son is fortunate to play all year round and having parents who
are willing to enable it. Trust me....it's a lot of sacrifice to be
there, especially since practices are usually during business hours.
-Greg
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 15:03:50
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote in message
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> Brad's son is fortunate to play all year round and having parents who
> are willing to enable it. Trust me....it's a lot of sacrifice to be
> there, especially since practices are usually during business hours.
>
> -Greg
>
Our practices are when I used to play golf.
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 13:35:11
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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glfnaz wrote:
>
> Each and every kid plays additional sports. We encourage that. We break for
> Little league in the spring, so each kid can participate in their
> communities' local Little league Program without interference from the Club
> Team.
That's nice. You give the kids a break from playing baseball so that
they can .... play baseball.
---------------------------------------------
> We have a Zero-Cut policy. Once a kid is accepted to our club, we do not cut
> him.
I'll bet it would be easier for me to get into Augusta National than
for a weak-hitting geeky kid with glasses to get onto your squad.
---------------------------------------------
> We are not out to create a National Select Powerhouse, however we are
> recognized as that by some. We have a season record of 35-4-1. Our only
> goal, as written in our Non-Profit filing paperwork, is that each of the
> boys will become better players individually and learn enough about baseball
> to compete for a spot on their High School baseball team in the future.
Like I said, the emphasis is on performance. Not that there's anything
wrong with that.
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 14:56:52
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
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>
>> We have a Zero-Cut policy. Once a kid is accepted to our club, we do not
>> cut
>> him.
>
> I'll bet it would be easier for me to get into Augusta National than
> for a weak-hitting geeky kid with glasses to get onto your squad.
> ---------------------------------------------
Of course.
There a zillion places for rec baseball. Little league, Cal Ripkin, Bronco,
Boys & Girls Clubs, sandlot baseball, etc. We only provide an outlet for
highly skilled players to be challenged at a more competitive level. The
have to want and seek out to play in that environment. We, and the other
clubs know that. Likewise, my son plays in a rec basketball league. He runs
well, but can't shoot. He loves it. But he has no chance to make his best
friend's Club Basketball Team, and quite frankly, he doesn't belong on that
team. He's not good enough. A rec program fits him perfectly.
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 12:48:34
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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On Jan 3, 1:12 am, "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com > wrote:
> Dene wrote:
>
> > Why do you ride Brad so hard about this.
>Because he embodies many of the traits of the typical over-bearing
> Little League parent trying to re-live his past glories and fantasies
> through his kids.
A stereotype. Sure, there are some parents like that, but they
are far from "typical". Mostly it is kids dragging their parents
rather than parents pushing the kids.
Little league and lower age groups do have the worst parents,
though. Things are much better at the club level. Speaking
as someone who has been through the meat grinder.
Tell me, when you were young, did you ever WANT to play
sports? Or did your parents force you? These kids are
the same way. You can't force them to do anything they
don't want to do. And they really do have to want to play
to make the sacrifices necessary to compete at the upper
levels.
And, sometimes their dreams do come true.
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 14:34:58
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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"Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1167857312.619307.102320@k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Tell me, when you were young, did you ever WANT to play
> sports? Or did your parents force you? These kids are
> the same way. You can't force them to do anything they
> don't want to do. And they really do have to want to play
> to make the sacrifices necessary to compete at the upper
> levels.
>
> And, sometimes their dreams do come true.
>
I played in the 13-14 Year old Pony League All Stars and our team made it to
the World Series in PA. We actually made it to the final game and lost. Some
guy built like a coke machine for Hawaii beat us. His name is Mosi Tatupu
who ended up a running back in the NFL. But on that team of 13 of us......
1--made the Majors and was a MLB all-star
1--played football at USC on scholorship
1 played baseabll at Stanford on scholorship
1--played baseball at UCLA on scholorship
1--played baseball at UC San Diego on scholorship
1--Played baseball at Gonzaga on scholorship
1--played baseball at Univ of Redlands without a scholorship
2--were drafted out of high school by pro teams and washed out early
1--became a pro water skier
1--was arrested for skipping bail the moment the plane landed back in Los
Angeles. Prior drug arrest we knew nothing about
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 00:31:54
From: Chris Bellomy
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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glfnaz <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com > wrote:
:
: "Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote in message
: news:1167857312.619307.102320@k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
: > Tell me, when you were young, did you ever WANT to play
: > sports? Or did your parents force you? These kids are
: > the same way. You can't force them to do anything they
: > don't want to do. And they really do have to want to play
: > to make the sacrifices necessary to compete at the upper
: > levels.
: >
: > And, sometimes their dreams do come true.
: >
:
: I played in the 13-14 Year old Pony League All Stars and our team made it to
: the World Series in PA. We actually made it to the final game and lost. Some
: guy built like a coke machine for Hawaii beat us. His name is Mosi Tatupu
: who ended up a running back in the NFL. But on that team of 13 of us......
: 1--made the Majors and was a MLB all-star
: 1--played football at USC on scholorship
: 1 played baseabll at Stanford on scholorship
: 1--played baseball at UCLA on scholorship
: 1--played baseball at UC San Diego on scholorship
: 1--Played baseball at Gonzaga on scholorship
: 1--played baseball at Univ of Redlands without a scholorship
: 2--were drafted out of high school by pro teams and washed out early
: 1--became a pro water skier
Pro water skier? From CA? I should know this but I don't. Wayne
Grimditch?
--
Chris Bellomy
C-List Charter Member
http://clist.org/
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 18:21:56
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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"Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid > wrote in message
news:0T3ok6prImgkN34@redshark.goodshow.net...
> glfnaz <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com> wrote:
> :
> : "Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : news:1167857312.619307.102320@k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> :> Tell me, when you were young, did you ever WANT to play
> :> sports? Or did your parents force you? These kids are
> :> the same way. You can't force them to do anything they
> :> don't want to do. And they really do have to want to play
> :> to make the sacrifices necessary to compete at the upper
> :> levels.
> :>
> :> And, sometimes their dreams do come true.
> :>
> :
> : I played in the 13-14 Year old Pony League All Stars and our team made
> it to
> : the World Series in PA. We actually made it to the final game and lost.
> Some
> : guy built like a coke machine for Hawaii beat us. His name is Mosi
> Tatupu
> : who ended up a running back in the NFL. But on that team of 13 of
> us......
> : 1--made the Majors and was a MLB all-star
> : 1--played football at USC on scholorship
> : 1 played baseabll at Stanford on scholorship
> : 1--played baseball at UCLA on scholorship
> : 1--played baseball at UC San Diego on scholorship
> : 1--Played baseball at Gonzaga on scholorship
> : 1--played baseball at Univ of Redlands without a scholorship
> : 2--were drafted out of high school by pro teams and washed out early
> : 1--became a pro water skier
>
> Pro water skier? From CA? I should know this but I don't. Wayne
> Grimditch?
>
> --
> Chris Bellomy
> C-List Charter Member
> http://clist.org/
Gary Mocknik
Great guy, and I don't follow the sport, but thats what I heard.
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 12:25:05
From: BNiizawa
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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On Jan 2 2007 10:41 AM, IcUrdazedandconfused wrote:
> Just got a call this morning, and got free tickets to the BCS
> championship out there, and my benefactor and I would like to play
> some golf before and after, if we can.
> We're staying in Scottsdale; Can you give us some course
> recommendations? We will have to take a taxi, so it can't be 50 miles
> away.
>
> Thanks!
My wife and I just got back from a golf trip in that area...we played
We-Ko-Pa, Talking Stick, Troon North, and both courses at Gold Canyon
(Gold Canyon is out of your effective radius, though). Of the first three,
we felt We-Ko-Pa was the nicest course, by far. There appeared to have
been a lot of work going on at Troon North, where there were recently
sodded patches, some in the fairway, and it quite frankly, didn't seem
worth the expense.
Conditions at Talking Stick were very good, and we did have frost delays
on 12/23 and 12/24.
Hope this helps, and have fun!
---
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 11:54:03
From: IcUrdazedandconfused
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 12:25:05 -0800, "BNiizawa"
<beandoggerel@yahoo.com > wrote:
>On Jan 2 2007 10:41 AM, IcUrdazedandconfused wrote:
>
>> Just got a call this morning, and got free tickets to the BCS
>> championship out there, and my benefactor and I would like to play
>> some golf before and after, if we can.
>> We're staying in Scottsdale; Can you give us some course
>> recommendations? We will have to take a taxi, so it can't be 50 miles
>> away.
>>
>> Thanks!
>
>My wife and I just got back from a golf trip in that area...we played
>We-Ko-Pa, Talking Stick, Troon North, and both courses at Gold Canyon
>(Gold Canyon is out of your effective radius, though). Of the first three,
>we felt We-Ko-Pa was the nicest course, by far. There appeared to have
>been a lot of work going on at Troon North, where there were recently
>sodded patches, some in the fairway, and it quite frankly, didn't seem
>worth the expense.
>
>Conditions at Talking Stick were very good, and we did have frost delays
>on 12/23 and 12/24.
>
>Hope this helps, and have fun!
>
>---
>RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com
>
That does help a lot. I really like the look of We-Ko-Pa. We may
change our Tuesday and play there instead.
Thanks!
Tony
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 13:03:55
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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"IcUrdazedandconfused" <IcUrdazed@confused.net > wrote in message
news:t7cqp2l3fcs23nv2dntqdq3sbul09rqejp@4ax.com...
> That does help a lot. I really like the look of We-Ko-Pa. We may
> change our Tuesday and play there instead.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tony
It's about 12 miles East of Scottsdale on the Indian Reservation, past
Fountain Hills.
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 06:16:50
From: cja
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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annika1980 wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> >
> > Why do you ride Brad so hard about this.
>
> Because he embodies many of the traits of the typical over-bearing
> Little League parent trying to re-live his past glories and fantasies
> through his kids.
>
It's not just little league either. There are lots of kids in golf
academies in FL, and many parents who haul their kids around the
country all summer to play in AJGA tournies. I like to think the kids
play, golf, baseball, softball, whatever, because they enjoy it, but I
know that's not always the case.
I believe Lil Glfnaz is having fun, at least for now. He may burn out,
or lose interest. It's a long road to MLB, but if he has that kind of
talent it's a good career path. Crazy money out there.
> Now I'm not saying that Brad is exactly like this, but I do think the
> 3-mile runs at 5:30 AM and the two-a-days are a little much.
>
Who do you think he is, c O'Hair?
> I heard of an interesting study someone did that determined that it was
> impossible to predict success for youngsters who play sports at an
> early age. The findings were that a kid had the same likelihood of
> becoming a star no matter whether he started playing at age 4 or age
> 12.
>
I believe this. My parents didn't want me to play organized football
until I was in high school. I ended up having more success than most,
including all the guys who played Pop Warner.
Soccer and Ice Hockey are popular sports around here. Often parents and
coaches think their kids need to choose a sport at an early age and
play only that, if they are to succeed, and some play soccer or hockey
virtually year-round. I think kids should play a variety of sports. The
good athletes will be good, and don't need to play just one sport.
I started basketball and baseball in the 3rd grade, added football in
9th and played all three sports throughout HS. Having seasonal sports,
I never got burned out. I was also good enough to be recruited to play
college football (didn't go there), and played baseball in college.
Would I have been better if I focused on one sport? I don't know, but
if I had it to do over I wouldn't change it.
- cja
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 00:32:33
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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annika1980 wrote:
> glfnaz wrote:
> > How'd your son spend his Holidays?
> > Counting his pubes?
>
> No, my boy blew out his knee and had to go on the DL last week.
> http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/72282372
So you raised the dough....glad to hear it!
-Greg
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 23:12:35
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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Dene wrote:
>
> Why do you ride Brad so hard about this.
Because he embodies many of the traits of the typical over-bearing
Little League parent trying to re-live his past glories and fantasies
through his kids.
Softball is big around these parts and they often have tournaments with
teams from all over the country. Some of the teams have practices
until 10:00 - 11:00 PM, even on school nights. And these leagues don't
start in June like they did when I played baseball. Some of them start
in February when the temps are usually in the 40's.
The worst are the "Select Teams." These are composed of kids that must
try out for the squad. After all, you don't want just any old 6-year
old on your team of would-be All-Stars.
I just think that's sick. Why drag your kid all over the country to
play in Select Tournaments when there are plenty of teams to play at
home?
Now I'm not saying that Brad is exactly like this, but I do think the
3-mile runs at 5:30 AM and the two-a-days are a little much.
Also, Brad puts just a wee bit too much emphasis on winning and his
kid's stats. Geez, let the kid have fun. What is he,12?
I don't wish this to happen, but can you imagine the impact if one day
the kid fires a fastball and does a Dravecky and his arm pops? I know
that's a sick thought, but my point is that from my vantage point it
appears that the kid's entire existence is structured around baseball.
What if it doesn't work out for him? Or maybe the kid will be burned
out by the time he's 16? And what will dad do if the kid wakes up one
day and decides he wants to play the piano instead? Think daddy will
buy him a B=F6sendorfer? I kinda doubt it.
I heard of an interesting study someone did that determined that it was
impossible to predict success for youngsters who play sports at an
early age. The findings were that a kid had the same liklihood of
becoming a star no matter whether he started playing at age 4 or age
12.
So if you took identical twins and started one at age 4 and the other
at age 12, after a short time they would be equal. My point is that
the emphasis should be on the participation and the love of the game,
rather than the kid's E.R.A.
>Conversely, Brad loves to watch his kid play. So do I. What the problem?
No problem so long as you don't get too close to Brad's kid.
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 08:36:44
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1167808355.441712.301780@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dene wrote:
>
> Why do you ride Brad so hard about this.
Because he embodies many of the traits of the typical over-bearing
Little League parent trying to re-live his past glories and fantasies
through his kids.
Softball is big around these parts and they often have tournaments with
teams from all over the country. Some of the teams have practices
until 10:00 - 11:00 PM, even on school nights. And these leagues don't
start in June like they did when I played baseball. Some of them start
in February when the temps are usually in the 40's.
The worst are the "Select Teams." These are composed of kids that must
try out for the squad. After all, you don't want just any old 6-year
old on your team of would-be All-Stars.
I just think that's sick. Why drag your kid all over the country to
play in Select Tournaments when there are plenty of teams to play at
home?
Now I'm not saying that Brad is exactly like this, but I do think the
3-mile runs at 5:30 AM and the two-a-days are a little much.
Also, Brad puts just a wee bit too much emphasis on winning and his
kid's stats. Geez, let the kid have fun. What is he,12?
I don't wish this to happen, but can you imagine the impact if one day
the kid fires a fastball and does a Dravecky and his arm pops? I know
that's a sick thought, but my point is that from my vantage point it
appears that the kid's entire existence is structured around baseball.
What if it doesn't work out for him? Or maybe the kid will be burned
out by the time he's 16? And what will dad do if the kid wakes up one
day and decides he wants to play the piano instead? Think daddy will
buy him a Bösendorfer? I kinda doubt it.
I heard of an interesting study someone did that determined that it was
impossible to predict success for youngsters who play sports at an
early age. The findings were that a kid had the same liklihood of
becoming a star no matter whether he started playing at age 4 or age
12.
So if you took identical twins and started one at age 4 and the other
at age 12, after a short time they would be equal. My point is that
the emphasis should be on the participation and the love of the game,
rather than the kid's E.R.A.
>Conversely, Brad loves to watch his kid play. So do I. What the problem?
No problem so long as you don't get too close to Brad's kid.
~~~~~~~~
The Team is all about Life's Lessons.
Working hard individually and as a unit toward a common goal, and accepting
the outcome with class. We only play 13 tournaments a year, and only travel
for 2 of them. One is the Staemboat Springs Summer World Series, where we
are a past National Champion. Many of the select events are here in AZ due
to our weather. Lil' Glfnaz only pitches once per tournament ( except a 6
day National event where he'll pitch twice). He pitches a max of 10 innings
per month.
The club is a registered 501.3 non - profit organization that provides
donations to the local community. The kids sponsor the Boys and Girls Clubs
in a series of " kids helping kids " baseball clinics in metro Phx. We also
personally donate time and finances to run the AZ Division of Little
Leagues' Challenger baseball program. The kids work with the special needs
kids on the field to provide a recreational baseball organization that they
wouldn't normally have.
Each and every kid plays additional sports. We encourage that. We break for
Little league in the spring, so each kid can participate in their
communities' local Little league Program without interference from the Club
Team. We financially sponsor some kids to our team that wouldn't otherwise
have the opportunity to play competitivly, but have the heart and desire to
participate.
We have a Zero-Cut policy. Once a kid is accepted to our club, we do not cut
him. We commit to the long term participation of that kid and family. We
have had zero turnover on our team because we teach good quality core
fundamental skills, we do not abuse the kids mentally or physically as some
teams do, and we do not bring gamesmanship and attitudes to the field.
We've never had an arm injury. All pitchers are under the instruction of
former MLB Steve Ontiveros who stresses proper throwing mechanics to prevent
arm injuries.
We are not out to create a National Select Powerhouse, however we are
recognized as that by some. We have a season record of 35-4-1. Our only
goal, as written in our Non-Profit filing paperwork, is that each of the
boys will become better players individually and learn enough about baseball
to compete for a spot on their High School baseball team in the future.
Here's our web-site. The second pic down was taken yesterday.
Click on the album button.
You'll see a lot of normal kids just having fun.
( The first pic in the Easter pic has my son in it)
http://www.desertfirebirds.com/
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 22:39:32
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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glfnaz wrote:
> How'd your son spend his Holidays?
> Counting his pubes?
No, my boy blew out his knee and had to go on the DL last week.
http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/72282372
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 19:33:53
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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annika1980 wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> >
> > Chris Stricker (gordo) and Brad Greer (glfnaz) both live in Phoenix.
> >
>
> Maybe if you're lucky you can score some tix to the Firebirds game.
> I hear Glfnaz's kid, Cy, is pitching both games of the double-header.
> He's gonna be a regular Hoyt fuckin Wilhelm.
> In fact, Daddy's already booked the trip to Cooperstown.
> Let's just hope that Lil' Koufax has the same motivation after the
> pubes come in.
>
> The pubes change everything.
Bret,
Why do you ride Brad so hard about this. The kid loves to play ball
and fortunately he lives in Az. where he can play all year round. I
seriously doubt if Brad forces him.
Conversely, Brad loves to watch his kid play. So do I. What the
problem?
-Greg
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 18:26:55
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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On Jan 2, 7:14 pm, "glfnaz" <glf...@qwesttrash.com > wrote:
> "annika1980" <annika1...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:1167784926.531677.75180@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Dene wrote:
>
> >> Chris Stricker (gordo) and Brad Greer (glfnaz) both live in Phoenix.
>
> > Maybe if you're lucky you can score some tix to the Firebirds game.
> > I hear Glfnaz's kid, Cy, is pitching both games of the double-header.
> > He's gonna be a regular Hoyt fuckin Wilhelm.
> > In fact, Daddy's already booked the trip to Cooperstown.
> > Let's just hope that Lil' Koufax has the same motivation after the
> > pubes come in.
>
> > The pubes change everything.Lil' Glfnaz threw a 3 hitter and 4 hitter at Nationals.
> The team ended up 2nd, losing the Final in a close game against a really
> fine team from California.
> He's a really nice kid, he had a lot of fun.
Congrats, Brad, you have every right to be proud.
And sometimes these athletic brats beat all the odds
and get NCAA Div 1 scholarships, and maybe even go farther
with it.
Best of luck!
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 16:42:06
From: annika1980
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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Dene wrote:
>
> Chris Stricker (gordo) and Brad Greer (glfnaz) both live in Phoenix.
>
Maybe if you're lucky you can score some tix to the Firebirds game.
I hear Glfnaz's kid, Cy, is pitching both games of the double-header.
He's gonna be a regular Hoyt fuckin Wilhelm.
In fact, Daddy's already booked the trip to Cooperstown.
Let's just hope that Lil' Koufax has the same motivation after the
pubes come in.
The pubes change everything.
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 18:14:24
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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"annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1167784926.531677.75180@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Dene wrote:
>>
>> Chris Stricker (gordo) and Brad Greer (glfnaz) both live in Phoenix.
>>
>
> Maybe if you're lucky you can score some tix to the Firebirds game.
> I hear Glfnaz's kid, Cy, is pitching both games of the double-header.
> He's gonna be a regular Hoyt fuckin Wilhelm.
> In fact, Daddy's already booked the trip to Cooperstown.
> Let's just hope that Lil' Koufax has the same motivation after the
> pubes come in.
>
> The pubes change everything.
>
Lil' Glfnaz threw a 3 hitter and 4 hitter at Nationals.
The team ended up 2nd, losing the Final in a close game against a really
fine team from California.
He's a really nice kid, he had a lot of fun.
How'd your son spend his Holidays?
Counting his pubes?
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 14:52:47
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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"IcUrdazedandconfused" <IcUrdazed@confused.net > wrote in message
news:656lp2d0ltaq3514nlpm8vguhs7s3rbq5p@4ax.com...
> Just got a call this morning, and got free tickets to the BCS
> championship out there, and my benefactor and I would like to play
> some golf before and after, if we can.
> We're staying in Scottsdale; Can you give us some course
> recommendations? We will have to take a taxi, so it can't be 50 miles
> away.
>
> Thanks!
The one's already mentioned are good.
Troon North and Greyhawk will be very expensive, as will the TPC Stadium
Course.--$250.00 or so.
Ledgend Trail, Talking Stick, and Kierland will be slightly less. $150.00 or
so.
The Sancuary at Westworld may be the best deal. It's narrow and sporty.
About $80 - $100.
http://www.sanctuarygolf.com/
Wildfire has 2 courses. It's just West of Greyhawk a bit.Probably $150.00
For lower end golf, --meaning 6000 yard type courses, just basic golf -- try
Starfire and Silverado managed by In Celebration of Golf.
Here's a link to their tee times page--they run specials on tee times not
yet taken. These are not great courses, just basic golf.
http://www.incelebrationofgolf.com/corporate/home.html
Then hit the 'tee times' button.
You should be able to find last minute deals for around $45 or so.
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 22:39:53
From: IcUrdazedandconfused
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
|
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:52:47 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com >
wrote:
>
>"IcUrdazedandconfused" <IcUrdazed@confused.net> wrote in message
>news:656lp2d0ltaq3514nlpm8vguhs7s3rbq5p@4ax.com...
>> Just got a call this morning, and got free tickets to the BCS
>> championship out there, and my benefactor and I would like to play
>> some golf before and after, if we can.
>> We're staying in Scottsdale; Can you give us some course
>> recommendations? We will have to take a taxi, so it can't be 50 miles
>> away.
>>
>> Thanks!
>
>The one's already mentioned are good.
>
>Troon North and Greyhawk will be very expensive, as will the TPC Stadium
>Course.--$250.00 or so.
>Ledgend Trail, Talking Stick, and Kierland will be slightly less. $150.00 or
>so.
>The Sancuary at Westworld may be the best deal. It's narrow and sporty.
>About $80 - $100.
>http://www.sanctuarygolf.com/
>
>Wildfire has 2 courses. It's just West of Greyhawk a bit.Probably $150.00
>
>For lower end golf, --meaning 6000 yard type courses, just basic golf -- try
>Starfire and Silverado managed by In Celebration of Golf.
>Here's a link to their tee times page--they run specials on tee times not
>yet taken. These are not great courses, just basic golf.
>http://www.incelebrationofgolf.com/corporate/home.html
>Then hit the 'tee times' button.
>You should be able to find last minute deals for around $45 or so.
>
Thanks. I want to stay away from the $250 courses, that's for sure.
Is there any of the courses near Scottsdale that are at the foothills
of the mountains? (Within a reasonable distance?)
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 07:28:45
From: glfnaz
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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"IcUrdazedandconfused" <IcUrdazed@confused.net > wrote in message
news:o89mp2l0om9pgs5njgce25ulqvfo81dnl9@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:52:47 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"IcUrdazedandconfused" <IcUrdazed@confused.net> wrote in message
>>news:656lp2d0ltaq3514nlpm8vguhs7s3rbq5p@4ax.com...
>>> Just got a call this morning, and got free tickets to the BCS
>>> championship out there, and my benefactor and I would like to play
>>> some golf before and after, if we can.
>>> We're staying in Scottsdale; Can you give us some course
>>> recommendations? We will have to take a taxi, so it can't be 50 miles
>>> away.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>
>>The one's already mentioned are good.
>>
>>Troon North and Greyhawk will be very expensive, as will the TPC Stadium
>>Course.--$250.00 or so.
>>Ledgend Trail, Talking Stick, and Kierland will be slightly less. $150.00
>>or
>>so.
>>The Sancuary at Westworld may be the best deal. It's narrow and sporty.
>>About $80 - $100.
>>http://www.sanctuarygolf.com/
>>
>>Wildfire has 2 courses. It's just West of Greyhawk a bit.Probably $150.00
>>
>>For lower end golf, --meaning 6000 yard type courses, just basic golf --
>>try
>>Starfire and Silverado managed by In Celebration of Golf.
>>Here's a link to their tee times page--they run specials on tee times not
>>yet taken. These are not great courses, just basic golf.
>>http://www.incelebrationofgolf.com/corporate/home.html
>>Then hit the 'tee times' button.
>>You should be able to find last minute deals for around $45 or so.
>>
>
> Thanks. I want to stay away from the $250 courses, that's for sure.
> Is there any of the courses near Scottsdale that are at the foothills
> of the mountains? (Within a reasonable distance?)
>
The Sanctuary at Westworld is in Scottsdale on the slope of the McDowell
Mountains.
It's recognized as one of only a few courses in the country by the National
Audobon Society and it's a natural preserve for the local wildlife. The
first 5 holes going out have OB on the left that you are not allowed to
enter if you hit it in there. It plays as a lateral hazzard. In the spring,
it's full of AZ animals. Many are hibernating now.
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 08:32:13
From: scabbardgirl
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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glfnaz wrote:
> "IcUrdazedandconfused" <IcUrdazed@confused.net> wrote in message
> news:o89mp2l0om9pgs5njgce25ulqvfo81dnl9@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:52:47 -0700, "glfnaz" <glfnaz@qwesttrash.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "IcUrdazedandconfused" <IcUrdazed@confused.net> wrote in message
>>> news:656lp2d0ltaq3514nlpm8vguhs7s3rbq5p@4ax.com...
>>>> Just got a call this morning, and got free tickets to the BCS
>>>> championship out there, and my benefactor and I would like to play
>>>> some golf before and after, if we can.
>>>> We're staying in Scottsdale; Can you give us some course
>>>> recommendations? We will have to take a taxi, so it can't be 50 miles
>>>> away.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>> The one's already mentioned are good.
>>>
>>> Troon North and Greyhawk will be very expensive, as will the TPC Stadium
>>> Course.--$250.00 or so.
>>> Ledgend Trail, Talking Stick, and Kierland will be slightly less. $150.00
>>> or
>>> so.
>>> The Sancuary at Westworld may be the best deal. It's narrow and sporty.
>>> About $80 - $100.
>>> http://www.sanctuarygolf.com/
>>>
>>> Wildfire has 2 courses. It's just West of Greyhawk a bit.Probably $150.00
>>>
>>> For lower end golf, --meaning 6000 yard type courses, just basic golf --
>>> try
>>> Starfire and Silverado managed by In Celebration of Golf.
>>> Here's a link to their tee times page--they run specials on tee times not
>>> yet taken. These are not great courses, just basic golf.
>>> http://www.incelebrationofgolf.com/corporate/home.html
>>> Then hit the 'tee times' button.
>>> You should be able to find last minute deals for around $45 or so.
>>>
>> Thanks. I want to stay away from the $250 courses, that's for sure.
>> Is there any of the courses near Scottsdale that are at the foothills
>> of the mountains? (Within a reasonable distance?)
>>
>
> The Sanctuary at Westworld is in Scottsdale on the slope of the McDowell
> Mountains.
> It's recognized as one of only a few courses in the country by the National
> Audobon Society and it's a natural preserve for the local wildlife. The
> first 5 holes going out have OB on the left that you are not allowed to
> enter if you hit it in there. It plays as a lateral hazzard. In the spring,
> it's full of AZ animals. Many are hibernating now.
>
>
Legend Trail is up at very north Scottsdale. Nice view down into the
Valley.
Another course to think about may be Rancho Manana. It's up in Cave
Creek. A totally different feeling from the metropolitan area, yet
maybe a 10 minute drive from the TPC.
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 06:36:41
From: JJK
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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"IcUrdazedandconfused" wrote:
> Thanks. I want to stay away from the $250 courses, that's for sure.
> Is there any of the courses near Scottsdale that are at the foothills
> of the mountains? (Within a reasonable distance?)
I second The Sanctuary. I played there a few Novembers ago (in high winds
but scored well) and liked the course.
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 12:36:44
From: scabbardgirl
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
|
IcUrdazedandconfused wrote:
> Just got a call this morning, and got free tickets to the BCS
> championship out there, and my benefactor and I would like to play
> some golf before and after, if we can.
> We're staying in Scottsdale; Can you give us some course
> recommendations? We will have to take a taxi, so it can't be 50 miles
> away.
>
> Thanks!
One thing - unless you're staying at one of the hotels directly next to
the TPC and planning to eat only at those hotels, you're really going to
want a rental car. Phoenix/Scottsdale is very spread out. It's going
to be expensive to do only taxis, I think.
The courses around the TPC would be:
Greyhawk
Troon North
Legend Trail
Talking Stick
Kierland
Those are the ones that pop up in my head. Perhaps some RSG'ers who
live in the area can give some more.
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 09:54:42
From: Dene
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
|
IcUrdazedandconfused wrote:
> Just got a call this morning, and got free tickets to the BCS
> championship out there, and my benefactor and I would like to play
> some golf before and after, if we can.
> We're staying in Scottsdale; Can you give us some course
> recommendations? We will have to take a taxi, so it can't be 50 miles
> away.
>
> Thanks!
Chris Stricker (gordo) and Brad Greer (glfnaz) both live in Phoenix.
Have a great time, you bum! ; >
-Greg
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 16:57:29
From: Loudon Briggs
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
|
"Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
>
>IcUrdazedandconfused wrote:
>> Just got a call this morning, and got free tickets to the BCS
>> championship out there, and my benefactor and I would like to play
>> some golf before and after, if we can.
>> We're staying in Scottsdale; Can you give us some course
>> recommendations? We will have to take a taxi, so it can't be 50 miles
>> away.
>>
>> Thanks!
If not suggested already, try...
best18.azcentral.com
--
Loudon R. Briggs larebe@bbz.net Phoenix, AZ
"How Can You Not Like A Game Where It's Okay To
Get Teed Off, Tote A Six-Iron, Shoot Birdies,
and If You're Under Par It's A Great Day!"
(from "Frank & Ernest" by Bob Thaves -- used with permission)
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 14:40:50
From: IcUrdazedandconfused
Subject: Re: Any Phoenix AZ RSG'er's?
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On 2 Jan 2007 09:54:42 -0800, "Dene" <gdstrue@aol.com > wrote:
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>IcUrdazedandconfused wrote:
>> Just got a call this morning, and got free tickets to the BCS
>> championship out there, and my benefactor and I would like to play
>> some golf before and after, if we can.
>> We're staying in Scottsdale; Can you give us some course
>> recommendations? We will have to take a taxi, so it can't be 50 miles
>> away.
>>
>> Thanks!
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>Chris Stricker (gordo) and Brad Greer (glfnaz) both live in Phoenix.
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>Have a great time, you bum! ;>
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>-Greg
Yeah, what a pain. The guy has free EVERYTHING, and he jacks me
around for the plane fare. What a rip!!
:)
Hope it's half the game the Boise State / OU game was...
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