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Date: 01 Apr 2007 18:16:20
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: "All USGA Rules Apply"
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My dad participates in a Wednesday night 9-hole league as hit club. He
recently showed me the format sheet for prizes, rules, etc.
Right under where it says "All USGA Rules Apply" it says "Ball may be
rolled 6" in the fairway." Classic.
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jvdp
RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 09:37:15
From: me
Subject: Re: "All USGA Rules Apply"
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On Apr 3, 12:32 pm, "RockPile" <rpyle_1...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Apr 3, 9:49 am, "me" <oconn...@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote:
>
[snip]
> > > It is really annoying, though, when you have just hacked something out
> > > of a nasty lie and the other guy hits a clean shot because he has
> > > rolled and primped until it sits just right.
>
> > I should say the least.
>
> "Don't hit it there" is the best approach.
Well, except it is YOU who shouldn't hit it there. They
might actually want to since they'll be able to "fluff it up".
At that point they might have a really good angle to the
pin.
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 09:32:48
From: RockPile
Subject: Re: "All USGA Rules Apply"
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On Apr 3, 9:49 am, "me" <oconn...@slr.orl.lmco.com > wrote:
> On Apr 2, 4:47 pm, "RockPile" <rpyle_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > I run a golf league that has always allowed rolling the ball. About
> > half of us now play it down, but the rest are happy to roll it. As
> > long as everyone keeps doing what they do consistently, I figure the
> > handicaps should work out.
>
> It might be an interesting experience to try running seperate
> "flights" for each "style". See who signs up for what and
> do some comparing of net and gross of each section.
I have considered that approach, and we also thought about having the
top two (out of four) flights play the ball down, but we ended up
leaving it as is. One of these days, the 'play it down guys' might
band together and force some changes. Either that, or we will just
have to come up with a secret handshake and feel smug.
I use it as a personal challenge to worry more about my game and less
about how the other guy is shooting.
> > It is really annoying, though, when you have just hacked something out
> > of a nasty lie and the other guy hits a clean shot because he has
> > rolled and primped until it sits just right.
>
> I should say the least.
"Don't hit it there" is the best approach.
Rock
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 12:42:19
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: "All USGA Rules Apply"
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On 3 Apr 2007 09:32:48 -0700, "RockPile" <rpyle_1999@yahoo.com > wrote:
>On Apr 3, 9:49 am, "me" <oconn...@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 2, 4:47 pm, "RockPile" <rpyle_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> [snip]
>>
>> > I run a golf league that has always allowed rolling the ball. About
>> > half of us now play it down, but the rest are happy to roll it. As
>> > long as everyone keeps doing what they do consistently, I figure the
>> > handicaps should work out.
>>
>> It might be an interesting experience to try running seperate
>> "flights" for each "style". See who signs up for what and
>> do some comparing of net and gross of each section.
>
>I have considered that approach, and we also thought about having the
>top two (out of four) flights play the ball down, but we ended up
>leaving it as is. One of these days, the 'play it down guys' might
>band together and force some changes. Either that, or we will just
>have to come up with a secret handshake and feel smug.
>
>I use it as a personal challenge to worry more about my game and less
>about how the other guy is shooting.
>
That kind of thing drives me nuts, though, when there is some kind of
match or award on the line.
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jvdp
RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 09:27:53
From: RockPile
Subject: Re: "All USGA Rules Apply"
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On Apr 2, 8:49 pm, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net > wrote:
> On 2 Apr 2007 13:47:31 -0700, "RockPile" <rpyle_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >I run a golf league that has always allowed rolling the ball. About
> >half of us now play it down, but the rest are happy to roll it. As
> >long as everyone keeps doing what they do consistently, I figure the
> >handicaps should work out.
>
> >It is really annoying, though, when you have just hacked something out
> >of a nasty lie and the other guy hits a clean shot because he has
> >rolled and primped until it sits just right.
>
> Your league allows rolling balls in the native grass?
We don't really have any native grass at our course, just some
thickish rough that can have a ball sit pretty far down. Yes, we
allow rolling of the ball in the rough.
Rock
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 19:11:24
From:
Subject: Re: "All USGA Rules Apply"
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On 3 Apr 2007 09:27:53 -0700, "RockPile" <rpyle_1999@yahoo.com > wrote:
s?
>
>We don't really have any native grass at our course, just some
>thickish rough that can have a ball sit pretty far down. Yes, we
>allow rolling of the ball in the rough.
I know of a couple leagues locally that allow rolling because of the
generally crappy fairways; however, you HAVE to be in the fairway to
take advantage of the rule. In the rough? Too bad.
Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, TX
http://davidclary.com
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 21:58:50
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: "All USGA Rules Apply"
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On 3 Apr 2007 09:27:53 -0700, "RockPile" <rpyle_1999@yahoo.com > wrote:
>>
>> Your league allows rolling balls in the native grass?
>
>We don't really have any native grass at our course, just some
>thickish rough that can have a ball sit pretty far down. Yes, we
>allow rolling of the ball in the rough.
I guess it's only a penalty to hit it to the rough for those who
follow the ROG. For others it's an advantage.
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 06:49:00
From: me
Subject: Re: "All USGA Rules Apply"
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On Apr 2, 4:47 pm, "RockPile" <rpyle_1...@yahoo.com > wrote:
[snip]
> I run a golf league that has always allowed rolling the ball. About
> half of us now play it down, but the rest are happy to roll it. As
> long as everyone keeps doing what they do consistently, I figure the
> handicaps should work out.
It might be an interesting experience to try running seperate
"flights" for each "style". See who signs up for what and
do some comparing of net and gross of each section.
> It is really annoying, though, when you have just hacked something out
> of a nasty lie and the other guy hits a clean shot because he has
> rolled and primped until it sits just right.
I should say the least.
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 13:47:31
From: RockPile
Subject: Re: "All USGA Rules Apply"
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On Apr 1, 6:16 pm, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org >
wrote:
> My dad participates in a Wednesday night 9-hole league as hit club. He
> recently showed me the format sheet for prizes, rules, etc.
>
> Right under where it says "All USGA Rules Apply" it says "Ball may be
> rolled 6" in the fairway." Classic.
> --
>
> jvdp
> RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
I run a golf league that has always allowed rolling the ball. About
half of us now play it down, but the rest are happy to roll it. As
long as everyone keeps doing what they do consistently, I figure the
handicaps should work out.
It is really annoying, though, when you have just hacked something out
of a nasty lie and the other guy hits a clean shot because he has
rolled and primped until it sits just right.
We also have very liberal drop rules, supposedly for speed of play
reasons.
When I re-issued the 'rules' of the league, I added this editorial
comment:
"Secretary's editorial note: These 'speed of play local rules' are
dubious at best, and if a drop is taken that is not legal within the
Rules of Golf, do not expect a lot of attention paid to arguments.
Get confirmation from your opponent as to a fair drop and move on.
Don't abuse the winter rules to move out from a tree or other nasty
place. Consider playing the ball down and you may actually enjoy the
game more."
Rock
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 00:49:54
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: "All USGA Rules Apply"
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On 2 Apr 2007 13:47:31 -0700, "RockPile" <rpyle_1999@yahoo.com > wrote:
>I run a golf league that has always allowed rolling the ball. About
>half of us now play it down, but the rest are happy to roll it. As
>long as everyone keeps doing what they do consistently, I figure the
>handicaps should work out.
>
>It is really annoying, though, when you have just hacked something out
>of a nasty lie and the other guy hits a clean shot because he has
>rolled and primped until it sits just right.
Your league allows rolling balls in the native grass?
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 12:50:15
From: Herbert
Subject: Re: "All USGA Rules Apply"
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On Apr 1, 5:16 pm, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org >
wrote:
> My dad participates in a Wednesday night 9-hole league as hit club. He
> recently showed me the format sheet for prizes, rules, etc.
>
> Right under where it says "All USGA Rules Apply" it says "Ball may be
> rolled 6" in the fairway." Classic.
I never grow tired of seeing grown men asking (begging!) for preferred
lies in a no-nothin' men's group event. They're half beaten before
the 1st tee when told they have to play the ball as it lies.
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 05:04:52
From: Simon
Subject: Re: "All USGA Rules Apply"
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John van der Pflum wrote:
> My dad participates in a Wednesday night 9-hole league as hit club. He
> recently showed me the format sheet for prizes, rules, etc.
>
> Right under where it says "All USGA Rules Apply" it says "Ball may be
> rolled 6" in the fairway." Classic.
> --
>
> jvdp
> RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
Did they actually say "rolled"? It's quite within the rules for the
committee to put preferred lies into operation. At our club we have
preferred lies from October to March.
The fact that this club needs to state that "All USGA Rules Apply" for
a competition is interesting...
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 13:33:58
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: "All USGA Rules Apply"
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On 2 Apr 2007 05:04:52 -0700, "Simon" <hancock_simon@hotmail.com >
wrote:
>
>John van der Pflum wrote:
>
>> My dad participates in a Wednesday night 9-hole league as hit club. He
>> recently showed me the format sheet for prizes, rules, etc.
>>
>> Right under where it says "All USGA Rules Apply" it says "Ball may be
>> rolled 6" in the fairway." Classic.
>> --
>>
>> jvdp
>> RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
>> http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
>
>Did they actually say "rolled"? It's quite within the rules for the
>committee to put preferred lies into operation. At our club we have
>preferred lies from October to March.
>
>The fact that this club needs to state that "All USGA Rules Apply" for
>a competition is interesting...
I think it acutely said "moved" rather than rolled. I don't have the
paper in front of my but you get the gist.
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jvdp
RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 04:14:22
From: Aress Gee
Subject: Re: "All USGA Rules Apply"
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"Simon" <hancock_simon@hotmail.com > writes:
> John van der Pflum wrote:
>
> > My dad participates in a Wednesday night 9-hole league as hit club. He
> > recently showed me the format sheet for prizes, rules, etc.
> >
> > Right under where it says "All USGA Rules Apply" it says "Ball may be
> > rolled 6" in the fairway." Classic.
> > --
> >
> > jvdp
> > RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
> > http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
>
> Did they actually say "rolled"? It's quite within the rules for the
> committee to put preferred lies into operation. At our club we have
> preferred lies from October to March.
>
> The fact that this club needs to state that "All USGA Rules Apply" for
> a competition is interesting...
That's pretty standard in my experience. In fact, the U.S. Open application
includes this statement:
Play will be governed by "The Rules of Golf" as approved
by the USGA.
http://www.usga.org/championships/apply_to_play/forms/USOpen.pdf
(see 2nd column of page 1 under the title, "Rules of Golf; Close of
Competition"
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Aress symbol are destined to go unfulfilled.
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 23:03:19
From: Colin Wilson
Subject: Re: "All USGA Rules Apply"
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Aress Gee wrote:
>> Did they actually say "rolled"? It's quite within the rules for the
>> committee to put preferred lies into operation. At our club we have
>> preferred lies from October to March.
>>
>> The fact that this club needs to state that "All USGA Rules Apply" for
>> a competition is interesting...
> That's pretty standard in my experience. In fact, the U.S. Open application
> includes this statement:
> Play will be governed by "The Rules of Golf" as approved
> by the USGA.
Even if they had preferred lies under a Local Rule, one would expect
that under the Rules of Golf (20-1) the location must be marked before
the ball is picked up and "preferred" (or "rolled" as the case may be).
I bet few golfers do that.
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Colin Wilson
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 05:30:11
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: "All USGA Rules Apply"
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John van der Pflum wrote:
> My dad participates in a Wednesday night 9-hole league as hit club. He
> recently showed me the format sheet for prizes, rules, etc.
>
> Right under where it says "All USGA Rules Apply" it says "Ball may be
> rolled 6" in the fairway." Classic.
Most people can't play golf without rolling the ball. Why not just tee it
up so's not to waste the time rolling around till they get their perfect
lie?
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 06:39:36
From: 704set
Subject: Re: "All USGA Rules Apply"
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"Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net > wrote in message
news:4610926C.EC602B6B@att.net...
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>
> John van der Pflum wrote:
>
>> My dad participates in a Wednesday night 9-hole league as hit club. He
>> recently showed me the format sheet for prizes, rules, etc.
>>
>> Right under where it says "All USGA Rules Apply" it says "Ball may be
>> rolled 6" in the fairway." Classic.
>
> Most people can't play golf without rolling the ball. Why not just tee it
> up so's not to waste the time rolling around till they get their perfect
> lie?
>
Or at least have a pocket full of livesavers to put under the ball.
704set
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 01:26:48
From: bill-o
Subject: Re: "All USGA Rules Apply"
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On 1-Apr-2007, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspammy@bite.org > wrote:
> Right under where it says "All USGA Rules Apply" it says "Ball may be
> rolled 6" in the fairway." Classic.
13-5 right? ;-)
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bill-o
A "gimme" can best be defined as an agreement between
two golfers neither of whom can putt very well.
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 13:32:52
From: John van der Pflum
Subject: Re: "All USGA Rules Apply"
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On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 01:26:48 GMT, "bill-o" <assimilate@borg.org > wrote:
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>On 1-Apr-2007, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspammy@bite.org> wrote:
>
>> Right under where it says "All USGA Rules Apply" it says "Ball may be
>> rolled 6" in the fairway." Classic.
>
>13-5 right? ;-)
Exactly....... hehe.
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jvdp
RSG Cincinnati July 13-15, 2007
http://www.rsgcincinnati.com
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