A Swing "Eureka Event"

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Date: 07 Dec 2006 22:56:22
From: Dave Lee
Subject: A Swing "Eureka Event"

Like most golfers I have had many "Eureka moments" working on my swing. They
are typically of the 'WOOD' variety (Works Only One Day). I had another one
a few days ago and have hardly had enough time to prove that it has some
staying power. However, the clip of Hogan that Alan sent me confirms it in
my mind - http://members.aol.com/annika1980/hogantip.wmv .

If you read the recent lag thread (or just go directly to the relevant
picture at http://members.tripod.com/DaveLeeMn/lag.jpg ), you can see that
my body rotation is ginal at impact. At a minimum that makes good lag
harder to achieve. I'm not sure if it makes good lag impossible or not.

I've worked on this in the past trying to get more hip rotation at impact.
Not only has this work been ineffective, it pretty consistently appeared to
actually take me backwards in terms of ballstriking consistency. So I just
labeled it a 'YAAG' (Yet Another Anomaly of Golf) and moved on.

A couple days ago I came to the realization that I do not have a hip and/or
body rotation problem at all. My body rotation is actually pretty good
(although you could argue over the plan of shoulder rotation). I have an arm
problem.

Your arms get to where they are at the top because of body rotation/shoulder
turn and the fact that the arms raise. What I didn't realize is that
(depending on your flexibility and amount of arm raising) you can get your
hands back to roughly your trailing knee without dropping your arms at all.
Just unwind your body (torso and shoulders) and let the arms follow but DO
NOT let them drop (they obviously rotate back down, but only with the
rotation of your shoulders/torso). Once your hands get roughly to our
trailing knee then you can start to drop your arms.

My golf swing has always been one of arms and body moving together and I had
always viewed my lack of rotation as a body rotation issue - that just isn't
the case. It is a sequencing problem. It is somehow amazing that I just now
figured this out. But I surely do now understand why my efforts at better
rotation were so counter-productive.

Will I actually be able to convert this knowledge into useful progress? That
is a different question. My limited experience so far is that this is not
nearly as easy as you would think it would be - it certainly doesn't feel
'natural and free flowing'. And my impression of this new swing motion
reveals how dramatically wrong my golfing instincts can be.

When I am doing my 'dagger drill' (often called the 'pump drill') there are
times when I get to impact with a feeling that really is quite different
from what is normal for me. I don't yet have a swing that achieves this new
feeling on video, but I am relatively confident that it is a better swing
with better lag and a better turn. What is interesting is that (while it
feels like an impact position that should be repeatable) it does not feel
powerful. It feels like the ball is hit with maybe 10-20% less power than my
normal, somewhat flippy, swing. Reality is that this swing is somewhere
between 1/2 and 1 club longer. This situation surprises me.

FWIW.

dave

Date: 09 Dec 2006 13:49:47
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: A Swing "Eureka Event"

Alan Murphy wrote:
> "Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC-RemoveThis@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:1165676404.528015.215720@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Rob Davis wrote:
> >> Dave Lee wrote:
> >> > "SKIPPER" <blakestah@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >>Buy a copy of TMFOG, work through the 5 lessons over and
> >> >>over, and deal with the long time course of improvement?
> >> >>
> >> >>-PA
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > What is TMFOG?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks.
> >> >
> >> > dave
> >>
> >> Hogan's "The Modern Fundamentals of Golf".
> >>
> >> Rob
> >
> > Five Lessons - got it.
> >
> > I have this book, read it, and didn't do a lot with it as it often
> > contradicted my own experience. At this point it is probably worth some
> > time.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > dave (typing from Google - damned EarthLink News Servers are sleeping
> > again)
> >
>
> Hey Dave,
>
> Just to reassure you that you're on the right track I
> played in a 4 man skins game today and shot my age
> with a gross 70. This was good enough to win 5 skins
> which at 10 pence per skin won me the princely sum
> of 20 pence. Tough school :-)
>
> Alan

Alan, a couple of things.

Shooting your age deserves a big congratulations. However, I will
observe that I often do this is 14 holes or less :-)

I think that I can be assured that you were/are on the right track.
Eureka event or not, this is going to be a long, slow journey for me, I
can tell.

dave

Date: 09 Dec 2006 07:00:04
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: A Swing "Eureka Event"

Rob Davis wrote:
> Dave Lee wrote:
> > "SKIPPER" <blakestah@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>Buy a copy of TMFOG, work through the 5 lessons over and
> >>over, and deal with the long time course of improvement?
> >>
> >>-PA
> >>
> >
> > What is TMFOG?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > dave
>
> Hogan's "The Modern Fundamentals of Golf".
>
> Rob

Five Lessons - got it.

I have this book, read it, and didn't do a lot with it as it often
contradicted my own experience. At this point it is probably worth some
time.

Thanks.

dave (typing from Google - damned EarthLink News Servers are sleeping
again)

Date: 09 Dec 2006 16:17:31
From: Alan Murphy
Subject: Re: A Swing "Eureka Event"

"Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC-RemoveThis@ix.netcom.com > wrote in message
news:1165676404.528015.215720@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>
> Rob Davis wrote:
>> Dave Lee wrote:
>> > "SKIPPER" <blakestah@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>Buy a copy of TMFOG, work through the 5 lessons over and
>> >>over, and deal with the long time course of improvement?
>> >>
>> >>-PA
>> >>
>> >
>> > What is TMFOG?
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > dave
>>
>> Hogan's "The Modern Fundamentals of Golf".
>>
>> Rob
>
> Five Lessons - got it.
>
> I have this book, read it, and didn't do a lot with it as it often
> contradicted my own experience. At this point it is probably worth some
> time.
>
> Thanks.
>
> dave (typing from Google - damned EarthLink News Servers are sleeping
> again)
>

Hey Dave,

Just to reassure you that you're on the right track I
played in a 4 man skins game today and shot my age
with a gross 70. This was good enough to win 5 skins
which at 10 pence per skin won me the princely sum
of 20 pence. Tough school :-)

Alan

Date: 09 Dec 2006 06:59:35
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: A Swing "Eureka Event"

Date: 08 Dec 2006 12:45:15
From: SKIPPER
Subject: Re: A Swing "Eureka Event"

Dave Lee wrote:

> When I am doing my 'dagger drill' (often called the 'pump drill') there are
> times when I get to impact with a feeling that really is quite different
> from what is normal for me. I don't yet have a swing that achieves this new
> feeling on video, but I am relatively confident that it is a better swing
> with better lag and a better turn. What is interesting is that (while it
> feels like an impact position that should be repeatable) it does not feel
> powerful. It feels like the ball is hit with maybe 10-20% less power than my
> normal, somewhat flippy, swing. Reality is that this swing is somewhere
> between 1/2 and 1 club longer. This situation surprises me.

You'll prolly gain 30 yards off the tee.

Why don't you just get it over with?

Buy a copy of TMFOG, work through the 5 lessons over and
over, and deal with the long time course of improvement?

-PA

Date: 08 Dec 2006 21:20:48
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: A Swing "Eureka Event"

"SKIPPER" <blakestah@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1165610715.657211.256700@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
>
> Dave Lee wrote:
>
> > When I am doing my 'dagger drill' (often called the 'pump drill') there
are
> > times when I get to impact with a feeling that really is quite different
> > from what is normal for me. I don't yet have a swing that achieves this
new
> > feeling on video, but I am relatively confident that it is a better
swing
> > with better lag and a better turn. What is interesting is that (while it
> > feels like an impact position that should be repeatable) it does not
feel
> > powerful. It feels like the ball is hit with maybe 10-20% less power
than my
> > normal, somewhat flippy, swing. Reality is that this swing is somewhere
> > between 1/2 and 1 club longer. This situation surprises me.
>
>
> You'll prolly gain 30 yards off the tee.
>
> Why don't you just get it over with?
>
> Buy a copy of TMFOG, work through the 5 lessons over and
> over, and deal with the long time course of improvement?
>
> -PA
>

What is TMFOG?

Thanks.

dave

Date: 08 Dec 2006 21:30:09
From: Rob Davis
Subject: Re: A Swing "Eureka Event"

Dave Lee wrote:
> "SKIPPER" <blakestah@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>Buy a copy of TMFOG, work through the 5 lessons over and
>>over, and deal with the long time course of improvement?
>>
>>-PA
>>
>
> What is TMFOG?
>
> Thanks.
>
> dave

Hogan's "The Modern Fundamentals of Golf".

Rob

Date: 08 Dec 2006 10:18:10
From: radix33@gmail.com
Subject: Re: A Swing "Eureka Event"

Dave,

Are you using the Club Sock or Momentus Swing Trainer weighted club?

-RA

On Dec 8, 8:26 am, "Alan Murphy" <afm...@btinternet.com > wrote:
> "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote in messagenews:m7geh.8851$1s6.1716@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> > ps. Congrat's on some good shooting. Did you base your progress
> > on something along the lines of the pump drill?Yes - and slow repeated practise swings with
> a weighted club concentrating on the timing
> sequence.
>
> Alan

Date: 08 Dec 2006 19:56:36
From: Alan Murphy
Subject: Re: A Swing "Eureka Event"

<radix33@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1165601890.874993.122950@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Dave,
>
> Are you using the Club Sock or Momentus Swing Trainer weighted club?
>
> -RA
>

It was just an old 3 iron with about 8 ounces of sheet
lead wrapped around the hosel. I'm a pensioner :-)

Alan

> On Dec 8, 8:26 am, "Alan Murphy" <afm...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:m7geh.8851$1s6.1716@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
>> > ps. Congrat's on some good shooting. Did you base your progress
>> > on something along the lines of the pump drill?Yes - and slow repeated
>> > practise swings with
>> a weighted club concentrating on the timing
>> sequence.
>>
>> Alan
>

Date: 08 Dec 2006 14:33:40
From: Alan Murphy
Subject: Re: A Swing "Eureka Event"

"Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote in message
news:q_0eh.7813$tM1.7727@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Like most golfers I have had many "Eureka moments" working on my swing.
> They
> are typically of the 'WOOD' variety (Works Only One Day). I had another
> one
> a few days ago and have hardly had enough time to prove that it has some
> staying power. However, the clip of Hogan that Alan sent me confirms it
> in
> my mind - http://members.aol.com/annika1980/hogantip.wmv .
> >>>snip<<<
> Your arms get to where they are at the top because of body
> tation/shoulder
> turn and the fact that the arms raise. What I didn't realize is that
> (depending on your flexibility and amount of arm raising) you can get
> your
> hands back to roughly your trailing knee without dropping your arms at
> all.
> Just unwind your body (torso and shoulders) and let the arms follow but
> DO
> NOT let them drop (they obviously rotate back down, but only with the
> rotation of your shoulders/torso).
>
> Once your hands get roughly to your
> trailing knee then you can start to drop your arms.
>

> dave
>
Dave, I think there is more to it than just dropping
your arms. At this point in the clip you will note that
Hogan's right elbow is completely bent and that when
he says "in position to hit" all that happens is the right
elbow straightens causing the left forearm to rotate and
causing a very large movement of the clubhead due to
the retained angle of the wrists. This combined with the
transfer of momentum from the hips/shoulders/arms to
the clubhead causes a massive increase in clubhead
speed consistent with the principles of COAM. The
timing of this action is surprisingly easy provided that
the sequence in the 'Hogan tip' clip is followed and
completely eliminates the tendency to flip the wrists
at the ball.

I really started working on this about a month ago and
my shotmaking improved substantially leading to scores
of 74,74,72,73 consecutively, albeit from the forward
winter tees, but also in very wet and windy conditions
that were not conducive to low scores. On Tuesday my
team won the Seniors Christmas Texas scramble in gale
force winds :-)

Funnily enough my putting has also improved and feel
that it may be due to a better sense of timing and delivery
of the clubhead.

HTH and good luck,

Alan

Date: 08 Dec 2006 16:09:54
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: A Swing "Eureka Event"

"Alan Murphy" <afmccl@btinternet.com > wrote in message
news:9cadnT1gYtYw6uTYRVnyugA@bt.com...
> "Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote in message
> news:q_0eh.7813$tM1.7727@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > Like most golfers I have had many "Eureka moments" working on my swing.
> > They
> > are typically of the 'WOOD' variety (Works Only One Day). I had another
> > one
> > a few days ago and have hardly had enough time to prove that it has some
> > staying power. However, the clip of Hogan that Alan sent me confirms it
> > in
> > my mind - http://members.aol.com/annika1980/hogantip.wmv .
> > >>>snip<<<
> > Your arms get to where they are at the top because of body
> > tation/shoulder
> > turn and the fact that the arms raise. What I didn't realize is that
> > (depending on your flexibility and amount of arm raising) you can get
> > your
> > hands back to roughly your trailing knee without dropping your arms at
> > all.
> > Just unwind your body (torso and shoulders) and let the arms follow but
> > DO
> > NOT let them drop (they obviously rotate back down, but only with the
> > rotation of your shoulders/torso).
> >
> > Once your hands get roughly to your
> > trailing knee then you can start to drop your arms.
> >
>
> > dave
> >
> Dave, I think there is more to it than just dropping
> your arms. At this point in the clip you will note that
> Hogan's right elbow is completely bent and that when
> he says "in position to hit" all that happens is the right
> elbow straightens causing the left forearm to rotate and
> causing a very large movement of the clubhead due to
> the retained angle of the wrists. This combined with the
> transfer of momentum from the hips/shoulders/arms to
> the clubhead causes a massive increase in clubhead
> speed consistent with the principles of COAM. The
> timing of this action is surprisingly easy provided that
> the sequence in the 'Hogan tip' clip is followed and
> completely eliminates the tendency to flip the wrists
> at the ball.
>
> I really started working on this about a month ago and
> my shotmaking improved substantially leading to scores
> of 74,74,72,73 consecutively, albeit from the forward
> winter tees, but also in very wet and windy conditions
> that were not conducive to low scores. On Tuesday my
> team won the Seniors Christmas Texas scramble in gale
> force winds :-)
>
> Funnily enough my putting has also improved and feel
> that it may be due to a better sense of timing and delivery
> of the clubhead.
>
> HTH and good luck,
>
> Alan
>

Alan, you are correct in that there is more to it than my Eureka event
(which actually is NOT dropping the arms - or maybe better stated as not
powering the arms early in the swing).

But my Eureka event explains three YAAG's (Yet Another Golf Anomaly) that I
had never understood.

1) Better body rotation should help my 'left problems'. Never did with me
and, of course, it didn't matter how well I rotated my body I was easily
able to allow my arms to keep up, so all I was doing was swinging harder -
hardly a good answer to better ballstriking.

2) A similar explanation as to why Tomasello's statement that "you really
can't flip if your body rotation keeps going" appeared to not be applicable
to me.

3) Why SLAP's suggestion for transition (lower body rotation forward starts
before completion of the backswing) was an absolute, unmitigated disaster
when I worked on it (you can't imagine how bad it was). My subconscious was
then trying to do something that is physically impossible - but it gave it a
good shot anyway :-)

I still might not make progress, but I was definitely going to be stuck
where I was until I resolved this sequencing issue.

dave

ps. Congrat's on some good shooting. Did you base your progress on something
along the lines of the pump drill?

Date: 08 Dec 2006 14:00:13
From: George Hibbard
Subject: Re: A Swing "Eureka Event"

"Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote in message
news:m7geh.8851$1s6.1716@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> "Alan Murphy" <afmccl@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:9cadnT1gYtYw6uTYRVnyugA@bt.com...
>> "Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote in message
>> news:q_0eh.7813$tM1.7727@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> > Like most golfers I have had many "Eureka moments" working on my swing.
>> > They
>> > are typically of the 'WOOD' variety (Works Only One Day). I had another
>> > one
>> > a few days ago and have hardly had enough time to prove that it has
>> > some
>> > staying power. However, the clip of Hogan that Alan sent me confirms it
>> > in
>> > my mind - http://members.aol.com/annika1980/hogantip.wmv .
>> > >>>snip<<<
>> > Your arms get to where they are at the top because of body
>> > tation/shoulder
>> > turn and the fact that the arms raise. What I didn't realize is that
>> > (depending on your flexibility and amount of arm raising) you can get
>> > your
>> > hands back to roughly your trailing knee without dropping your arms at
>> > all.
>> > Just unwind your body (torso and shoulders) and let the arms follow but
>> > DO
>> > NOT let them drop (they obviously rotate back down, but only with the
>> > rotation of your shoulders/torso).
>> >
>> > Once your hands get roughly to your
>> > trailing knee then you can start to drop your arms.
>> >
>>
>> > dave
>> >
>> Dave, I think there is more to it than just dropping
>> your arms. At this point in the clip you will note that
>> Hogan's right elbow is completely bent and that when
>> he says "in position to hit" all that happens is the right
>> elbow straightens causing the left forearm to rotate and
>> causing a very large movement of the clubhead due to
>> the retained angle of the wrists. This combined with the
>> transfer of momentum from the hips/shoulders/arms to
>> the clubhead causes a massive increase in clubhead
>> speed consistent with the principles of COAM. The
>> timing of this action is surprisingly easy provided that
>> the sequence in the 'Hogan tip' clip is followed and
>> completely eliminates the tendency to flip the wrists
>> at the ball.
>>
>> I really started working on this about a month ago and
>> my shotmaking improved substantially leading to scores
>> of 74,74,72,73 consecutively, albeit from the forward
>> winter tees, but also in very wet and windy conditions
>> that were not conducive to low scores. On Tuesday my
>> team won the Seniors Christmas Texas scramble in gale
>> force winds :-)
>>
>> Funnily enough my putting has also improved and feel
>> that it may be due to a better sense of timing and delivery
>> of the clubhead.
>>
>> HTH and good luck,
>>
>> Alan
>>
>
> Alan, you are correct in that there is more to it than my Eureka event
> (which actually is NOT dropping the arms - or maybe better stated as not
> powering the arms early in the swing).
>
> But my Eureka event explains three YAAG's (Yet Another Golf Anomaly) that
> I
> had never understood.
>
> 1) Better body rotation should help my 'left problems'. Never did with me
> and, of course, it didn't matter how well I rotated my body I was easily
> able to allow my arms to keep up, so all I was doing was swinging harder -
> hardly a good answer to better ballstriking.
>
> 2) A similar explanation as to why Tomasello's statement that "you really
> can't flip if your body rotation keeps going" appeared to not be
> applicable
> to me.
>
> 3) Why SLAP's suggestion for transition (lower body rotation forward
> starts
> before completion of the backswing) was an absolute, unmitigated disaster
> when I worked on it (you can't imagine how bad it was). My subconscious
> was
> then trying to do something that is physically impossible - but it gave it
> a
> good shot anyway :-)
>
> I still might not make progress, but I was definitely going to be stuck
> where I was until I resolved this sequencing issue.
>
> dave
>
> ps. Congrat's on some good shooting. Did you base your progress on
> something
> along the lines of the pump drill?
>

Slap ONLY OBSERVED what happens in good swings: the weight falling left
before the finish of the backswing. An effect: but without knowing THE REAL
cause, of course it is futile to copy it FOR ITS OWN sake.

Form follows function: it does not create it.
>

Date: 09 Dec 2006 00:13:19
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: A Swing "Eureka Event"

On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 14:00:13 -0500, "George Hibbard"
<gh@perfectimpact.com > wrote:

>Slap ONLY OBSERVED what happens in good swings: the weight falling left
>before the finish of the backswing. An effect: but without knowing THE REAL
>cause, of course it is futile to copy it FOR ITS OWN sake.
>
>Form follows function: it does not create it.

Sure - but it makes it easier to observe when the function has flaws.

Date: 08 Dec 2006 16:26:26
From: Alan Murphy
Subject: Re: A Swing "Eureka Event"

"Dave Lee" <DaveLeeNC@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote in message
news:m7geh.8851$1s6.1716@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> ps. Congrat's on some good shooting. Did you base your progress
> on something along the lines of the pump drill?
>
Yes - and slow repeated practise swings with
a weighted club concentrating on the timing
sequence.

Alan

Date: 07 Dec 2006 23:47:42
From: Birdie Bill
Subject: Re: A Swing "Eureka Event"

On Dec 7, 4:56 pm, "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com > wrote:
> Like most golfers I have had many "Eureka moments" working on my swing. They
> are typically of the 'WOOD' variety (Works Only One Day). I had another one
> a few days ago and have hardly had enough time to prove that it has some
> staying power. However, the clip of Hogan that Alan sent me confirms it in
> my mind -http://members.aol.com/annika1980/hogantip.wmv.

Good luck, Dave. I've had some Eureka moments like this, too, but
mostly it has been a long hard slog with a lot of backsliding at every
step. I definitely think the lower body move is worth it, and the
sooner
that change is made, the better, because what the
lower body does affects what you will then need to do with
the upper body, and you need to build your swing from the ground up.
Expect that you will need to make other changes at the same time
to compensate for the changes that you are making with the lower
body.

I suggest working on iron swings first. Study the impact positions
of pros swinging irons. Notice that at the start of impact that the
hands
are WELL ahead of the ball, that the clubshaft leans towards
the target, and the right wrist is hinged back towards the forearm.
The clubshaft is _not_ in line with the left arm; an extension of
the clushaft would point outside the body, on the target side.

You can only get into this position if you maintain a lot of lag.

Notice that one implication of this is that the right wrist needs to
roll
through impact while being hinged back at the same time. This
may seem unatural at first, if you are not used to doing this.
This is where "educated hands" and "feeling the clubhead"
are useful.

Date: 08 Dec 2006 12:37:39
From: Dave Lee
Subject: Re: A Swing "Eureka Event"

"Birdie Bill" <bighorn_bill@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1165564062.309838.37090@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> On Dec 7, 4:56 pm, "Dave Lee" <DaveLe...@ix.netcom.RemovE.com> wrote:
> > Like most golfers I have had many "Eureka moments" working on my swing.
They
> > are typically of the 'WOOD' variety (Works Only One Day). I had another
one
> > a few days ago and have hardly had enough time to prove that it has some
> > staying power. However, the clip of Hogan that Alan sent me confirms it
in
> > my mind -http://members.aol.com/annika1980/hogantip.wmv.
>
> Good luck, Dave. I've had some Eureka moments like this, too, but
> mostly it has been a long hard slog with a lot of backsliding at every
> step. I definitely think the lower body move is worth it, and the
> sooner
> that change is made, the better, because what the
> lower body does affects what you will then need to do with
> the upper body, and you need to build your swing from the ground up.
> Expect that you will need to make other changes at the same time
> to compensate for the changes that you are making with the lower
> body.
>
> I suggest working on iron swings first. Study the impact positions
> of pros swinging irons. Notice that at the start of impact that the
> hands
> are WELL ahead of the ball, that the clubshaft leans towards
> the target, and the right wrist is hinged back towards the forearm.
> The clubshaft is _not_ in line with the left arm; an extension of
> the clushaft would point outside the body, on the target side.
>
> You can only get into this position if you maintain a lot of lag.
>
> Notice that one implication of this is that the right wrist needs to
> roll
> through impact while being hinged back at the same time. This
> may seem unatural at first, if you are not used to doing this.
> This is where "educated hands" and "feeling the clubhead"
> are useful.
>

It is the 'right hand rolling' vs. right hand 'rolling and flipping' that my
(pitiful) golf instincts tell me has no power.

Man, I sure hope that this comes easier than fixing my backswing (which
basically took two years).

dave

Date: 07 Dec 2006 17:01:51
From: Ken Meltzer
Subject: Re: A Swing "Eureka Event"

Dave Lee wrote:

> When I am doing my 'dagger drill' (often called the 'pump drill') there are
> times when I get to impact with a feeling that really is quite different
> from what is normal for me. I don't yet have a swing that achieves this new
> feeling on video, but I am relatively confident that it is a better swing
> with better lag and a better turn. What is interesting is that (while it
> feels like an impact position that should be repeatable) it does not feel
> powerful. It feels like the ball is hit with maybe 10-20% less power than my
> normal, somewhat flippy, swing. Reality is that this swing is somewhere
> between 1/2 and 1 club longer. This situation surprises me.

Maybe you are hitting the ball with more power (i.e. clubhead speed and
solid contact), but with less effort. Sounds like a winning
combination!
Best,
Ken