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Date: 04 Mar 2007 19:40:47
From: Marcel Kuijper
Subject: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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Hi all,
I'm still pretty new to the game, so every now and then a question
comes to mind.
My bag came with a 21 degree hybrid, but I'm still unable to hit the
ball straight up the driving range with it. With my irons, however, I
don't have that problem.
So I was wondering if maybe I should go looking for a 1- and 2-Iron,
so I can at least get further up the driving range.
Do people still use the 1- and 2-Iron?
Are there benefits compared to the hybrid clubs?
Thanks,
cel
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 22:00:42
From: Marcel Kuijper
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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Well thanks all.....
I actually got to take a few swings with some of the longer irons
tonight and now I understand what most of you were saying.
It really was hard, not impossible, to hit the ball.
I got some speed and distance, but hardly any flight.
So in stead we went to work on the hybrid and the 3-wood and,
because it's hard for me to deal with such a light club, it took some
to to get used to them.
So this weekend I'll be devoting as much time as possible making
sure at least the hybrid become kind of a second nature tool.
cel
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Date: 09 Mar 2007 13:22:57
From: S.D.
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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On Tue, 6 2007 22:00:42 +0100, cel Kuijper wrote:
> I got some speed and distance, but hardly any flight.
You won't get much of anything without practice - 1 & 2 irons are like
LW's, the hardest clubs to master, requiring time. My favorite club is
my LW- followed closely by my 2i. However, in monday's game I am taking
my 15* 1 iron because some holes are 360yd area.
--
Hit'em long and straight:)
SDig
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Date: 09 Mar 2007 14:32:21
From: Howard Brazee
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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On Fri, 9 2007 13:22:57 -0800, "S.D." <sd@twomuchspam.com > wrote:
>You won't get much of anything without practice - 1 & 2 irons are like
>LW's, the hardest clubs to master, requiring time. My favorite club is
>my LW- followed closely by my 2i. However, in monday's game I am taking
>my 15* 1 iron because some holes are 360yd area.
How do you expect to use this? How does it fit alternatives for you
on this course?
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Date: 16 Mar 2007 15:53:21
From: S.D.
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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On Fri, 09 2007 14:32:21 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote:
> How do you expect to use this? How does it fit alternatives for you
> on this course?
Sorry it took so long for follow up after taking the 1 iron out...
Anyways, had a surprising good round using my 16* 1 iron. First tee -
390yds - down the middle 235yds - 155 left. Subsequently, I used it on
every Par 4 except one that was 420yds uphill requiring driver; even
used it on two narrow Par 5's with OB left and water right... longest
was 245 off the tee-sweet and right down the middle. Hit every
fairway:) Result - will be moving to a 13* 3wd and keeping the 1 iron
in the bag for awhile...
--
Hit'em long and straight:)
SDig
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Date: 09 Mar 2007 14:12:50
From: S.D.
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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On Fri, 09 2007 14:32:21 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote:
> How do you expect to use this? How does it fit alternatives for you
> on this course?
My home course is 7000yds 74.6 with Par 4's = 410-450yds. My 18* 2i is
for windy conditions, dog leg 4's and long 2nd shot 5's lay ups. Hence,
the 1 iron sees little action. However, this weekend I am playing some
shorter "target" tracks in the 6200-6400yd range with Par 4's in the
360-380yd range and their fairways play a bit fast with sneaky
undulations:) Driver distance isn't needed on but a few holes. I hit
the 1 iron 225-230 ish straight and can fade it if needed; but more
importantly I am in the fairway all the time, with holes in the 360-370
range, leaves me 130-120yds in.
If truth be told, I just prefer hitting long irons for fun and less
dispersion, almost never missing the fairway off the tee or 2nd shots on
Par 5's. Last weekend I played a 6700yd track using my 2i off all
tee's except 3 holes.
Under normal circumstances my bag has a 9* driver and 15* TE.Exotic 3wd,
which carry's 230ish off the deck and 245ish off the tee; great for
longer tracks, backed up with a 2i = 210-220yds and 3 = 190-200yds
through PW.
--
Hit'em long and straight:)
SDig
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 15:20:08
From: Lloyd Parsons
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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In article <45edd67a$0$331$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl >,
"cel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Well thanks all.....
>
> I actually got to take a few swings with some of the longer irons
> tonight and now I understand what most of you were saying.
> It really was hard, not impossible, to hit the ball.
> I got some speed and distance, but hardly any flight.
> So in stead we went to work on the hybrid and the 3-wood and,
> because it's hard for me to deal with such a light club, it took some
> to to get used to them.
>
> So this weekend I'll be devoting as much time as possible making
> sure at least the hybrid become kind of a second nature tool.
>
>
> cel
I use my hybrid for punch outs and bump 'n runs mostly. I'm better with
woods than anything else, so here's my bag:
Driver
3, 5, 7, 9, 11 woods
3 Hybrid
5-SW irons
Putter
I'm a short knocker and these tend to give me the best on-course results.
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 14:48:27
From: Bill H.
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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On 4, 10:40 am, "cel Kuijper"
<zoepetier_nothing_h...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> So I was wondering if maybe I should go looking for a 1- and 2-Iron,
> so I can at least get further up the driving range.
I would hold off on buying new clubs until you start to get your swing
working well.
> Do people still use the 1- and 2-Iron?
> Are there benefits compared to the hybrid clubs?
Irons generally have more "work-ability" while hybrids are usually
easier to hit.
I think you're best off with clubs that you're comfortable with and
that you have confidence in. If you don't like the hybrid, feel free
to try a long iron, but most beginners don't have the swing to pull it
off as consistently as they would with a hybrid or fairway wood.
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 22:59:24
From: Silvio Bierman
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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Hello cel,
The difficuly in hitting long irons depends mainly on your swing speed.
Contrary to what others have said the shaft length is not the problem. In
fact, long iron shaft length versus loft ratio is too low for most players.
If you lack the ability to create enough clubhead speed the lack of loft
will prevent you from putting enough spin on the ball. This lack of spin and
the low launch angle will produce a low and short ballflight.
This is not specific to a 1i. Depending on their swingspeed most golfers
stop hitting longer anywhere between a 5i and a 1i. They keep trying to hit
them harder/wilder which results in poor contact. Finally they decide the
(1-5)i is just to hard to hit and put it in the garage. As they grow
older/slower more and more irons come join it.
Woods have much longer shafts, lighter clubheads and a lower center of
gravity. Thus they overcome the swingspeed problem. For people with
consistency problems the hybrids are a good compromise.
I play irons 1 trough LW and always had problems hitting woods, they would
go all over the place. After about three years of golf I wanted a club for
distances longer than what I could reach with the 1i. Started hitting a
drive or two each round with drivers from fellow players and discovered I
can hit a driver consistenly if it has a very stiff shaft and low loft.Last
year I got a second hand 9-degree Wilson driver with an XS Fujikura shaft
and I love it.
But nothing feels or flies like a 1i hit pure and fast...
Kind regards,
Silvio Bierman
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 03:36:28
From:
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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"Otto" wrote:
> "cel Kuijper" wrote:
> > Aha!
> > So there *are* advantages to having a long iron in your bag!
>
> There most definitely are.
>
> But you asked about advantages of a hybrid in the bag.
Really? I thought I asked if there were benefits compared to the
Hybrids?
It doesn't matter really....I've come to the conclusion that I have to
test
a few in the shop and see if they work for me.
In the end it's all about what's better for my game, and since the
Hybrid
ain't cutting it right now (I know...I'm still a beginner and have
lots to learn),
but the Hybrid somehow just doesn't feel right, you know?
cel
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 06:48:06
From: Otto
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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<zoepetier@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1173094588.165106.155540@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> but the Hybrid somehow just doesn't feel right, you know?
I know.
Otto
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 03:31:31
From:
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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"Tom K" wrote:
> For the "occasional" use... it's not worth giving up a hybrid which has more
> opportunities for use. If there wasn't a limit on the number of clubs, then
> you could carry both... however since there is a limit.... you go with what
> you need more often. And with what's easier to hit (the hybrid).
In my case I'd gladly give up the 9-Iron to carry a 1-Iron next to the
Hybrid.
Time will tell....I guess I have to see if I can get used to the
Hybrid and even
learn to use the 3-Wood to play up those long fairways.
cel
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 17:36:56
From: Tom K
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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<zoepetier@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1173094291.603278.245790@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> "Tom K" wrote:
>
>> For the "occasional" use... it's not worth giving up a hybrid which has
>> more
>> opportunities for use. If there wasn't a limit on the number of clubs,
>> then
>> you could carry both... however since there is a limit.... you go with
>> what
>> you need more often. And with what's easier to hit (the hybrid).
>
> In my case I'd gladly give up the 9-Iron to carry a 1-Iron next to the
> Hybrid.
> Time will tell....I guess I have to see if I can get used to the
> Hybrid and even
> learn to use the 3-Wood to play up those long fairways.
>
Not me... I now use my 9I for most of my chip shots. After a free group
lesson from the pro on our cruise ship in Bermuda, showing us how to use the
9I for chipping, I find I'm much more consistent with it than I was with my
wedge.
--Tom
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 03:27:06
From:
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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"tin Levac" wrote:
> Actually, you'd be better off reducing the number of clubs you play with.
I definately see your point there.
There's a 9-Iron in my bag I can't find a use for, especially since I
very
recently bought a 19 degree recueclub that was on sale and a bunch of
accessories, so I'm carrying too much stuff right now. (Beginners!!)
I use the 7-Iron for chip-ins and the 8-Iron for chipping, so I might
as well
leave the PW at home, or would that be too drastic?
I think I need a bigger bag that will actually have sufficient room
for 14
clubs.
cel
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 09:21:14
From: Martin Levac
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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<zoepetier@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1173094026.894041.305030@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> "tin Levac" wrote:
>
>> Actually, you'd be better off reducing the number of clubs you play with.
>
> I definately see your point there.
>
> There's a 9-Iron in my bag I can't find a use for, especially since I
> very
> recently bought a 19 degree recueclub that was on sale and a bunch of
> accessories, so I'm carrying too much stuff right now. (Beginners!!)
> I use the 7-Iron for chip-ins and the 8-Iron for chipping, so I might
> as well
> leave the PW at home, or would that be too drastic?
>
> I think I need a bigger bag that will actually have sufficient room
> for 14
> clubs.
>
>
> cel
>
I was thinking more along the lines of 3 or 4 clubs, including the putter.
Like this, a 200 yard club, a 150 yard club, a 100 yard club and a putter.
You will be playing more golf and less "let's choose the equipment".
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 21:13:53
From: Marcel Kuijper
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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"tin Levac" wrote:
> I was thinking more along the lines of 3 or 4 clubs, including the putter.
> Like this, a 200 yard club, a 150 yard club, a 100 yard club and a putter.
> You will be playing more golf and less "let's choose the equipment".
I'm thinking that for the first few years at least I'll be needing all the
help
I can get out there. So until I get to the stage where I can walk the course
with confidence in my pocket and just 4 clubs in my bag, I'll be using my
Jeep and a trailer to haul my very full bag around the course. :-)
But seriously...isn't "let's choose the equipment" half the fun?
I mean the pros have a full bag out there, no?
cel
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 17:11:35
From: Martin Levac
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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"cel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:45ec7ac3$1$324$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
>
> "tin Levac" wrote:
>
>> I was thinking more along the lines of 3 or 4 clubs, including the
>> putter.
>> Like this, a 200 yard club, a 150 yard club, a 100 yard club and a
>> putter.
>> You will be playing more golf and less "let's choose the equipment".
>
> I'm thinking that for the first few years at least I'll be needing all the
> help
> I can get out there. So until I get to the stage where I can walk the
> course
> with confidence in my pocket and just 4 clubs in my bag, I'll be using my
> Jeep and a trailer to haul my very full bag around the course. :-)
>
> But seriously...isn't "let's choose the equipment" half the fun?
> I mean the pros have a full bag out there, no?
>
>
> cel
>
>
It is fun but in my opinion it gets old quick. Especially if like me you
walk and carry. Bear in mind that you will still be playing golf even if you
only bring one club and one ball.
If I was a pro, I'd practice with the same club for hours, days, weeks on
end until at some point I'd have extracted all the secrets from that club.
Then, I'd repeat the process with the next club in my bag. And so forth
until I came back to the first club, then I'd have a go at it again and
again. As an average player, everybody else don't practice that way. Far
from it so I think it's a good idea to use the same club for a whole round
to at least try to discover the shots that this club has to offer. If no
extra shot was discovered, at least the ride was fun.
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 16:12:00
From: Tom Yost
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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On Mon, 5 2007 17:11:35 -0500, "tin Levac"
<vac3@REMOVEvideotron.ca > wrote:
> Bear in mind that you will still be playing golf even if you
>only bring one club and one ball.
>
With my game... not for long.
Tom
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 03:20:49
From:
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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"tin Levac" wrote:
> It's the "longer" part that makes them more difficult to use. Conversely,
> "shorter" makes it easier to use.
Unless you're a tall person with a long reach. I'm not, but I'm just
saying.
Still....I'm reading both advantages and disadvantages, so I might
have to
go to the local shop and testfire any 1- and 2-Irons they have to see
for
myself. Maybe I'm one of those people that finds more comfort in a
long
iron. I can't settle my opinion without testing one first hand.
cel
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 09:17:49
From: Martin Levac
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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<zoepetier@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1173093649.719500.316980@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> "tin Levac" wrote:
>
>> It's the "longer" part that makes them more difficult to use. Conversely,
>> "shorter" makes it easier to use.
>
> Unless you're a tall person with a long reach. I'm not, but I'm just
> saying.
> Still....I'm reading both advantages and disadvantages, so I might
> have to
> go to the local shop and testfire any 1- and 2-Irons they have to see
> for
> myself. Maybe I'm one of those people that finds more comfort in a
> long
> iron. I can't settle my opinion without testing one first hand.
>
>
> cel
>
The difficulty does not come from the relationship between player and club,
it comes from the length only. It is just as difficult for a tall person to
use the 1 iron as it is for a short person. I understand what you mean,
though. It is not so easy to compare when using the shorter clubs. A tall
person will have a harder time to use the shorter clubs than the shorter
person. Nevertheless, because of its length, the shorter club is easier to
use for both tall and short persons.
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 20:58:24
From: Marcel Kuijper
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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"tin Levac" wrote:
> The difficulty does not come from the relationship between player and
club,
> it comes from the length only. It is just as difficult for a tall person
to
> use the 1 iron as it is for a short person. I understand what you mean,
> though. It is not so easy to compare when using the shorter clubs. A tall
> person will have a harder time to use the shorter clubs than the shorter
> person. Nevertheless, because of its length, the shorter club is easier to
> use for both tall and short persons.
Alright...that does it!
This weekend I'm gonna have to testfire a 1-Iron and see what the hell
it is about that thing that's confusing me so much! :-)
cel
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 15:38:19
From: The_Professor
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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On 4, 2:52 pm, "Otto" <ottondebREMOVE%$#%^%$@@bellsouth.net >
wrote:
> "Robert Hamilton" <D...@att.net> wrote in message
>
> news:45EB205D.672CFB0F@att.net...
>
> >hybrids work too well on the course!
>
> I still find this debatable.
>
> There are times when I want my 1 or 2 iron but I have to pull the hybrid =
but
> I can't do with it what I want.
>
> Very hard to punch a hybrid.
>
> I would say that hybrids work well on the range. You can nearly always hit
> them well. But when you are on the course and you are 220 yard outs for t=
hat
> hybrid but it needs to have a ball flight of a punched 1 or 2 iron, then =
we
> have problem on the course.
>
> Can anyone tell me how to work(left or right) or punch a hybrid?
>
> Otto
I can hit a hook with a hybrid any time, and to what extent I can
"control" trajectory, I can probably do it better with a hybrid than
any other club. I find it very easy to punch out with a hybrid as
well. Of course, I only have one hybrid, a 22=B0 "wood style" (with
respect to bore dia) hybrid.
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 19:49:05
From: Robert Hamilton
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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cel Kuijper wrote:
>
>
> Do people still use the 1- and 2-Iron?
> Are there benefits compared to the hybrid clubs?
>
They make good wind chimes. They are much better wind chimes than
hybrids, and hybrids work too well on the course!
;^)
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 15:52:37
From: Otto
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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"Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net > wrote in message
news:45EB205D.672CFB0F@att.net...
>hybrids work too well on the course!
I still find this debatable.
There are times when I want my 1 or 2 iron but I have to pull the hybrid but
I can't do with it what I want.
Very hard to punch a hybrid.
I would say that hybrids work well on the range. You can nearly always hit
them well. But when you are on the course and you are 220 yard outs for that
hybrid but it needs to have a ball flight of a punched 1 or 2 iron, then we
have problem on the course.
Can anyone tell me how to work(left or right) or punch a hybrid?
Otto
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 21:42:26
From: Rog
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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"Otto" <ottondebREMOVE%$#%^%$@@bellsouth.net > wrote in message
news:mkGGh.5068$sC.2349@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net> wrote in message
> news:45EB205D.672CFB0F@att.net...
>
>>hybrids work too well on the course!
>
>
> I still find this debatable.
>
> There are times when I want my 1 or 2 iron but I have to pull the hybrid
> but
> I can't do with it what I want.
>
> Very hard to punch a hybrid.
>
> I would say that hybrids work well on the range. You can nearly always hit
> them well. But when you are on the course and you are 220 yard outs for
> that
> hybrid but it needs to have a ball flight of a punched 1 or 2 iron, then
> we
> have problem on the course.
>
> Can anyone tell me how to work(left or right) or punch a hybrid?
>
> Otto
>
>
I would have thought by their very nature they are 'anti-work'
Rog
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 18:52:09
From: Otto
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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"Rog" <rog@repairman.com > wrote in message news:esfefj$70o$1@aioe.org...
> I would have thought by their very nature they are 'anti-work'
No doubt and that is where the weak spot for a hybrid lies.
When you need to hit that low, punchy slice/hook, the hybrid is worthless.
Otto
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 17:49:47
From: Martin Levac
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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"Rog" <rog@repairman.com > wrote in message news:esfefj$70o$1@aioe.org...
>
> "Otto" <ottondebREMOVE%$#%^%$@@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:mkGGh.5068$sC.2349@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "Robert Hamilton" <DBID@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:45EB205D.672CFB0F@att.net...
>>
>>>hybrids work too well on the course!
>>
>>
>> I still find this debatable.
>>
>> There are times when I want my 1 or 2 iron but I have to pull the hybrid
>> but
>> I can't do with it what I want.
>>
>> Very hard to punch a hybrid.
>>
>> I would say that hybrids work well on the range. You can nearly always
>> hit
>> them well. But when you are on the course and you are 220 yard outs for
>> that
>> hybrid but it needs to have a ball flight of a punched 1 or 2 iron, then
>> we
>> have problem on the course.
>>
>> Can anyone tell me how to work(left or right) or punch a hybrid?
>>
>> Otto
>>
>>
> I would have thought by their very nature they are 'anti-work'
> Rog
>
I prefer to think that they are anti-feedback which in turn prevents proper
work to be done. Because you know as well as I do that we can all work any
club as much as any other although perhaps not always willingly.
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 22:21:49
From: Marcel Kuijper
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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"Otto" wrote:
> There are times when I want my 1 or 2 iron but I have to pull the hybrid
but
> I can't do with it what I want.
>
> Very hard to punch a hybrid.
Aha!
So there *are* advantages to having a long iron in your bag!
cel
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 18:50:33
From: Otto
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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"cel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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> Aha!
> So there *are* advantages to having a long iron in your bag!
There most definitely are.
But you asked about advantages of a hybrid in the bag.
Otto
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 18:16:34
From: Tom K
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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"cel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:45eb386d$0$320$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
>
> "Otto" wrote:
>
>> There are times when I want my 1 or 2 iron but I have to pull the hybrid
> but
>> I can't do with it what I want.
>>
>> Very hard to punch a hybrid.
>
> Aha!
> So there *are* advantages to having a long iron in your bag!
>
For the "occasional" use... it's not worth giving up a hybrid which has more
opportunities for use. If there wasn't a limit on the number of clubs, then
you could carry both... however since there is a limit.... you go with what
you need more often. And with what's easier to hit (the hybrid).
--Tom
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 14:24:26
From: Tom K
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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1-irons are so hard to hit, there's a classic joke that says... if there's
lightning on the course, it's best to walk around waving a 1-iron in the air
around you... because even God can't hit a 1-iron.
What's also happened over the last few decades, is that most golf companies
have decreased the loft of their clubs a little (I've read that on reason is
so they can brag about increased yardage from their clubs)... so today's 3
iron may actually have the same loft as a 2 iron from 20 years ago.
Have you had lessons?
--Tom
"cel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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> Hi all,
>
>
> I'm still pretty new to the game, so every now and then a question
> comes to mind.
>
> My bag came with a 21 degree hybrid, but I'm still unable to hit the
> ball straight up the driving range with it. With my irons, however, I
> don't have that problem.
>
> So I was wondering if maybe I should go looking for a 1- and 2-Iron,
> so I can at least get further up the driving range.
>
> Do people still use the 1- and 2-Iron?
> Are there benefits compared to the hybrid clubs?
>
>
> Thanks,
> cel
>
>
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 17:44:32
From: Martin Levac
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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Right. A 1 iron may have had as little as 15 degrees while a pitching wedge
may have had as much as 51 degrees. Furthermore the gap between clubs was
closer to 4 degrees with all clubs while today's club have smaller gaps in
the longer clubs: 3 degree up to 5i, then 4 degrees for the shorter clubs.
I think that practice with a 1 iron will surely yield greater understanding
and subsequently greater skill than practice with any other club.
"Tom K" <tkanitra@optonline.net > wrote in message
news:J1FGh.4877$wS3.1370@newsfe12.lga...
> 1-irons are so hard to hit, there's a classic joke that says... if there's
> lightning on the course, it's best to walk around waving a 1-iron in the
> air around you... because even God can't hit a 1-iron.
>
> What's also happened over the last few decades, is that most golf
> companies have decreased the loft of their clubs a little (I've read that
> on reason is so they can brag about increased yardage from their clubs)...
> so today's 3 iron may actually have the same loft as a 2 iron from 20
> years ago.
>
> Have you had lessons?
>
> --Tom
>
> "cel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:45eb13b6$0$69886$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> I'm still pretty new to the game, so every now and then a question
>> comes to mind.
>>
>> My bag came with a 21 degree hybrid, but I'm still unable to hit the
>> ball straight up the driving range with it. With my irons, however, I
>> don't have that problem.
>>
>> So I was wondering if maybe I should go looking for a 1- and 2-Iron,
>> so I can at least get further up the driving range.
>>
>> Do people still use the 1- and 2-Iron?
>> Are there benefits compared to the hybrid clubs?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> cel
>>
>>
>
>
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 22:17:03
From: Marcel Kuijper
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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"Tom K" wrote:
> What's also happened over the last few decades, is that most golf
companies
> have decreased the loft of their clubs a little (I've read that on reason
is
> so they can brag about increased yardage from their clubs)... so today's 3
> iron may actually have the same loft as a 2 iron from 20 years ago.
So I would be better off adding a 3-Iron and a 4-Iron to my bag?
> Have you had lessons?
I'm still in the middle of my lessons, so I'll eventually learn to use the
Hybrid
correctly. Sames goes for the 3-Wood and the Driver.
I was just thinking that the longer irons might suit me better than the
Hybrid.
cel
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 17:46:45
From: Martin Levac
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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"cel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:45eb3800$1$338$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
>
> "Tom K" wrote:
>
>> What's also happened over the last few decades, is that most golf
> companies
>> have decreased the loft of their clubs a little (I've read that on reason
> is
>> so they can brag about increased yardage from their clubs)... so today's
>> 3
>> iron may actually have the same loft as a 2 iron from 20 years ago.
>
> So I would be better off adding a 3-Iron and a 4-Iron to my bag?
>
>
>> Have you had lessons?
>
> I'm still in the middle of my lessons, so I'll eventually learn to use the
> Hybrid
> correctly. Sames goes for the 3-Wood and the Driver.
> I was just thinking that the longer irons might suit me better than the
> Hybrid.
>
>
> cel
>
>
Actually, you'd be better off reducing the number of clubs you play with.
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 15:48:27
From: Otto
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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"Tom K" <tkanitra@optonline.net > wrote in message
news:J1FGh.4877$wS3.1370@newsfe12.lga...
> 1-irons are so hard to hit, there's a classic joke that says... if there's
> lightning on the course, it's best to walk around waving a 1-iron in the
air
> around you... because even God can't hit a 1-iron.
Lol!! Good one. They are hard to hit good.
> What's also happened over the last few decades, is that most golf
companies
> have decreased the loft of their clubs a little (I've read that on reason
is
> so they can brag about increased yardage from their clubs)... so today's 3
> iron may actually have the same loft as a 2 iron from 20 years ago.
I agree here.
> Have you had lessons?
Swing development will help.
Otto
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 22:20:00
From: Marcel Kuijper
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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"Otto" wrote:
> Swing development will help.
I recently bought the Simon Holmes dvd, which I already watched and
he helped me find a flaw in my stance, and I still have David Leadbetter's
"The Swing" to watch but I won't until I actually have a swing to call my
own.
cel
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 14:04:30
From: Otto
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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"cel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:45eb13b6$0$69886$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> Do people still use the 1- and 2-Iron?
Fewer and fewer.
> Are there benefits compared to the hybrid clubs?
You can do a bit more work with a 1 or 2 iron than you can with a hybrid but
they are much harder to hit. A 1 or 2 iron will require you to develop your
swing.
Otto
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 22:03:55
From: Marcel Kuijper
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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"Otto" wrote:
> You can do a bit more work with a 1 or 2 iron than you can with a hybrid
but
> they are much harder to hit. A 1 or 2 iron will require you to develop
your
> swing.
I don't understand what makes them so hard to use....aren't they just
irons with a longer shaft and a lower loft?
cel
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 20:09:28
From: David
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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On Sun, 4 2007 22:03:55 +0100, "cel Kuijper"
<zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
>"Otto" wrote:
>
>> You can do a bit more work with a 1 or 2 iron than you can with a hybrid
>but
>> they are much harder to hit. A 1 or 2 iron will require you to develop
>your
>> swing.
>
>I don't understand what makes them so hard to use....aren't they just
>irons with a longer shaft and a lower loft?
Instead of the 1, or 2 iron, if you are having problems with the
hybrids, use a 5 wood. Personally, I have found the hybrids to be so
easy to hit that it is almost cheating. I was considering changing all
the clubs down to the 7-iron to hybrids, but I am not old enough for
that, yet ;-)
>cel
David
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 20:51:47
From: Marcel Kuijper
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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"David" wrote:
> Instead of the 1, or 2 iron, if you are having problems with the
> hybrids, use a 5 wood. Personally, I have found the hybrids to be so
> easy to hit that it is almost cheating. I was considering changing all
> the clubs down to the 7-iron to hybrids, but I am not old enough for
> that, yet ;-)
You guys are making me curious now, because now I'm beginning to
think that I'm most definately not handling that hybrid well enough.
I guess I'll have to get my golfpro to show me how to use it.
cel
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 17:37:37
From: Martin Levac
Subject: Re: 1-Iron and 2-Iron
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"cel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:45eb3800$0$338$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
>
> "Otto" wrote:
>
>> You can do a bit more work with a 1 or 2 iron than you can with a hybrid
> but
>> they are much harder to hit. A 1 or 2 iron will require you to develop
> your
>> swing.
>
> I don't understand what makes them so hard to use....aren't they just
> irons with a longer shaft and a lower loft?
>
>
> cel
>
>
It's the "longer" part that makes them more difficult to use. Conversely,
"shorter" makes it easier to use.
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